CXN holder size, for a Mission Amp Flyweight size 10

[flip12 735]

Hello,

I'm loving my Mission Amp Flyweights, but not their stock driveshaft holders. Hockey Monkey EU has a great deal on CXN holders and steel, but their size listing only seems to make sense with respect to Mako boot sizes. How can I tell which holder size will fit my Flyweights, which are a size 10, with an outsole about 28.5-cm or 11-1/4" long?

Thanks in advance

[dewey79 3]

There is a number on the holders on the heel near the rivets, those a size 288. Any holder will fit your skates just match the number, some are 287, some 288

[flip12 735]

That's the number I'm used to seeing, the 2xx-mm number, but the listings online don't combine the CXN holder size with that three-digit number, just whole sizes that seem to correspond with Mako sizing. I can't see the CXN's in person because I don't know of any LHS in Copenhagen that stocks Easton and Hockey Monkey's way up by Stockholm.

The Missions came with 280-mm holders, but I'm also interested in possibly going with an oversized holder if it could fit. The most accommodating skates I had were 705's with 296-mm holders, and I loved everything about that setup--the steel length, pitch and profile. I'd like to try the CXN at the stock 9' profile, but I imagine I may want to go up in rocker radius when I can afford to stock up on extra steel and ship out to get quality profiling and sharpening, but that's all down the road at this point.

[boo10 323]

I would just contact Easton Hockey and see if they will give you the metric measurements for the CXN holders.

[flip12 735]

That's a good idea, I did chat with a Hockey Monkey representative, but he wasn't sure and said he'd consult with a colleague and get back to me.

[JoshV 20]

Sorry, just getting to my email about this at the moment (and of course checking MSH :] )

Size 10 is 288mm EDIT *grabbed wrong size*

Also, due note that when I put a measuring tape on top of the holder, measuring from end to end, it measures in at 280mm
This information may be useful if trying to see if the holder will fit on your boot.

[flip12 735]

Ah :) should've known those paths might cross. That's essentially the way I measured the length of my boot's outsole, but coming from the side, since the holder's in the way. I never really knew what the number in mm referred to, is it just that, the length from end to end?

Also, in general I'm wondering, is there any problem putting a particularly pitched holder on a boot with less pitch?

[jonesy9020 77]

Careful, Mission size 10 is similar to an Easton 9 and Mako sizing is whacky.

[flip12 735]

Yeah, I was worried about that too. I've never had an Easton skate, but I was guessing I'd be around a 9. That's why I was trying to measure the base of the boot, to bypass that whole confusion of what each company ends up calling a 9, 10, 11, etc.

[boo10 323]

I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think the measurement is actually the runner length that fits the holder.

Ah :) should've known those paths might cross. That's essentially the way I measured the length of my boot's outsole, but coming from the side, since the holder's in the way. I never really knew what the number in mm referred to, is it just that, the length from end to end?

Also, in general I'm wondering, is there any problem putting a particularly pitched holder on a boot with less pitch?

[jonesy9020 77]

Ah :) should've known those paths might cross. That's essentially the way I measured the length of my boot's outsole, but coming from the side, since the holder's in the way. I never really knew what the number in mm referred to, is it just that, the length from end to end?

Also, in general I'm wondering, is there any problem putting a particularly pitched holder on a boot with less pitch?

I thought this could be an issue before with people putting LS2s on Makos (opposite: unpitched holder on pitched boot) but was told there was no problem. I am not positive as I don't have experience with CXN holders, but I suppose the converse would also be true. Others are welcome to chime in.

[JoshV 20]

That's why I provided the measurements of the actual holder itself :]

Tough to say without having the skate in front of me. Can't say I recommend doing it, as I don't know the condition of the boots, exact pitch, etc.

But I will tell you from experience that the CXN holders are noticeably more pitched when compared to other holders.

A transition to a LS2 or Speedblade 4.0+ would probably be easier.

[flip12 735]

That's why I provided the measurements of the actual holder itself :]

Tough to say without having the skate in front of me. Can't say I recommend doing it, as I don't know the condition of the boots, exact pitch, etc.

But I will tell you from experience that the CXN holders are noticeably more pitched when compared to other holders.

A transition to a LS2 or Speedblade 4.0+ would probably be easier.

How can I find out the pitch of the boot? I'm thinking if necessary I can add some toe lift, though I would want to keep that to a minimum. The extreme pitch is something I want to try out, since my favorite holder setup has been a stock Cobra 3000, and those were on 705's, which the fitter at West Side Skate and Stick said are more aggressive in their forward cut than other Grafs, because of the way the boot is angled along the heel.

The Flyweights I have are in good shape--I've skated on them maybe 10 times at most, and they've only had the stock holder installed, so the sole isn't excessively drilled out. I just don't like how boxy the holder feels--when I try to get up to top speed, it feels like the steel is just getting in the way at the toe, forcing my foot much more upright and cutting me off mid-stride. I also don't like the feeling of the steel all that much, but that's hard to really judge because I don't really trust the the sharpening I can get here.

I have also skated fine on Custom+, and while they feel kind of nice and standard, they didn't feel as fast, and I even liked cornering on my Cobras, I just had much more precise edge control. What got me interested in the CXN originally was how similar it sounded in terms of all of those properties I liked about Cobras, but with much better regarded steel.