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If you like Sherwood, their PP92 is actually a lie 5. True also has a P92 lie 5 (TC2.5).

8R FT4 showed up today and unbaked the fit is pretty much perfect. If these don't change drastically after a bake, they'll be my glass slippers. Length and width are very close to the 7.5D 20K. FT4 has a bit more depth than the 20K, which is what I expected. I have a high instep, regular to slightly narrow heel, and a slightly wide forefoot. I did try the ASV and like you found that they fit longer and wider than the FT4.

Thanks for the info. I ordered a pair of 8R, so hopefully they fit. I have a pair of FT1 in 7.5D that were gifted to me, but they are a tad short and too narrow.

Ah, I see. So there wasn't really a correlation between the cost to acquire the sticks and the $125 selling price. Makes sense.

Doesn't this kind of lend credence to the argument that the top end sticks are way overpriced? Unless CCM is selling pro stock to the teams at a significant loss? Not trying to start a debate about pricing. If you don't want to pay the asking price, don't buy it. Just more curious about how things work between manufacturers and teams.

I have a pair of Reebok 20K size 7.5D, which fit well for length and forefoot width, but slightly loose in the heel without using the pump. The holder size is 271. The CCM skate selector tool used to recommend a half size up from Reebok, which in my case would be 8R (271 holder). Lately it has changed to recommending the same size as Reebok, which would be 7.5R (263 holder). When in doubt, the old school method was to trust the holder size, but I'm not sure that's applicable anymore. I'm also wondering about the forefoot width of the FT4 R vs. 20K D. I can't try them on because of low inventory levels. I have to order online from a city 5 hours away (Crazy in itself because I live in the world's largest hockey market). Looking for any insight or opinions.

I do think that True and CCM shells tend to rebound less than Bauer after heel clamping or sidewall punches, but it's not some earth shattering difference. I like all three skate brands and think they all have pros and cons. This forum can get a little tribal around the brands at times, but I genuinely believe the members have good intentions and are not just being fanboys/fangirls.

Link below is to a pdf from the manufacturer of Curv, detailing the temperatures required in the manufacturing process. After reading, I don't think a skate oven gets hot enough to truly deform the material. My unscientific opinion is that Bauer skate shells have limited thermoformability, and it's mostly the interior foams that are changed. Personal observation is that True and CCM shells are more pliable when they come out of a skate oven. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Menlo_Scientific/CURV%20Thermo-forming.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi6wLK2mO38AhUKjIkEHflKCNkQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0-SXtpDz1v-kHDR7OVWwDM

As far as I know "HK" is actually Hybrid Kick, not High Kick. I have a retail Jetspeed FT3 Team stick marked "HK" and it most definitely is not a high kick. To me, It flexes the same as the retail FT3 that I tried out.

For the old relics like me, I'd say the best way to describe it is that the more dampened a blade is, those closer it feels to using a wooden blade. A pingier blade will transfer more vibrations up the shaft into your hands.

I'm going to return them. I got them direct from Bauer, since the local shops didn't have any stock in my size. I'll probably go back to my original plan, which was to look for a deal on a pair of 100K Pro or 90K. Thank god my wife tolerates my skate buying habit! lol

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to return them because even if it won't cause an issue with my stride, knowing that difference is there will mess with my head. I'd say I'm ridiculously fussy about my gear, but then again, so is pretty much everyone else that frequents this site. 🤣

Ordered a pair of 3S Pro skates on Black Friday and when they showed up, I found that the left holder is mounted a couple mm more forward than the right holder. Pretty obvious when you look down from the top, as you see more of the left holder in front of the toe cap. This seems like a very minor difference, but I previously had a pair with the same difference in holders and I kept straining my groin. Problem went away as soon as I switched skates. Probably a coincidence, but it's in my head now. I'm also weird in that I'm bothered when pairs of things aren't symmetrical. Is this holder Mount difference common and does it bother anyone else?

Not a direct answer to your question, but I've been using the Jetspeed FT3 Team retail stick for a few months and it's been fantastic. Factor in that I paid $99 CAD on sale and it can't be beat.

I've been using the P90TM for the last few months. It is pretty much a P29 with a toe hook. Lie is very slightly different and a little less rocker.