Beemer frames on other boots

[malcb33 97]

Hi, I currently have Tour blue max skates and realy like the beemer frames but dislike the boots on the skate. I want to use these frames and put them on a easton boot. Has anyone used hummer frames on other boots? My main concern is that pitch of the easton skates is higher than the tours, will this cause problems? Also if anyone has used the hummer frames on other skates did you have to drill out a space in the sole where the second wheel would be? If so how did you do this? Any advice on doing this would be great. Thanks in advance!!! :D

[koivulchuk 1]

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/index.php?showtopic=6564

[Jim A 4]

going out on a limb here..i sense a long, detailed and informative post by MDE3 coming on.... :D

lots of people have done it..some to the extent MDE3 has with his kid..others like some of the Pama Cyclones have just bolted and went...it will depend on the boot, etc..

[Snigglefish 0]

What didn't you like about the boot? I'm on the fence about getting the Blue Max....I'm happy with my old 902's but they are well.....shot.

[MDE3 0]

:D I am all posted out on that subject....

But I am also curious what you did not like about the Blue Max's.....From what I have heard, this boot is actually more expensive to make than the Beemers, and uses a little more hi tech stuff in the composite materials. My son preferred the Beemers because he thought they were more flexible, but others we know prefer the Blue Max.

[malcb33 97]

Hi, Maybe I should have searched on this topic, sorry. Anyway I don't like the tour boots that much. They are not the worst boots I have used but they don't realy fit my feet that well and they aren't stiff enough for me. I still get small blisters sometimes after having the skates for over 3 months, also the pitch of the skate is realy flat. I have changed the pitch by putting a small heel lift in the skate, this has help heaps. I would switch to another pair of skates but realy love the hummer frame! ;)

A question for MDE3?

The shims you made for the skate were to compensate for the difference in pitch between boots and frames, right? Do you think you could try to heat mold the boot to change pitch? Will I need to make shims if the pitch is similar on boots and frames?

Did your son notice much difference in the height of the frame with the shims in? Did you put hummers on xx boot? How big was the difference in pitch between boots and frames? Thanks in advance

[cds 0]

I know gee2626 put Hummers on XX boots, you might want to talk to him.

[gee2626 0]

yup, he pm-ed me already..... i just went to my lhs and had them put it on for me... didn't have to dremel out any of the sole... pitch is quite different than the hi-lo i had before... it'll take some time getting use to having the front a bit higher

[tour17 0]

Putting the Labeda Hum'er frame on an Easton boot or any other boot isn't a big deal. What makes the Hum'er frame unigue, is the 80mm wheels, they are recessed slightly above the mounting plates, this allows for a lower center of gravity. You will need to nick the bottom of your outsole, where the first and second wheel are positioned. (slight cut out). You will only need to remove about 1 or 1.5mm of sole to allow the front two wheels to roll freely. This is the purpose of the channel on your Tour boots. Sounds more complicated than what it actually is. Labeda has sold a lot of Hum'er frames, to be retro fitted on many different types of boots. I haven't heard about any problems.

[MDE3 0]

Hi,  Maybe I should have searched on this topic, sorry.  Anyway I don't like the tour boots that much.  They are not the worst boots I have used but they don't realy fit my feet that well and they aren't stiff enough for me.  I still get small blisters sometimes after having the skates for over 3 months, also the pitch of the skate is realy flat.  I have changed the pitch by putting a small heel lift in the skate, this has help heaps.  I would switch to another pair of skates but realy love the hummer frame! ;)

A question for MDE3?

The shims you made for the skate were to compensate for the difference in pitch between boots and frames, right?  Do you think you could try to heat mold the boot to change pitch?  Will I need to make shims if the pitch is similar on boots and frames?

Did your son notice much difference in the height of the frame with the shims in?  Did you put hummers on xx boot?  How big was the difference in pitch between boots and frames?  Thanks in advance 

I put the Hum'ers on Nike HiHo's. Before I did it, I put the skate with the chassis still mounted side by side with the Hum'er chassis, and effectively measured the difference in height so as to have the same pitch when remounted. Then I added about .100 - .120" tapered shim on the heel plate, and put a tapered shim which ran from about .300" at the front to .000" at the rear of the front sole plate. This was to maintain the same boot sole profile, and not have it pulled to a different shape when remounting. I still needed to dremel out the sole above the second wheel...actually ended up going right through the outer sole to get enough space. The outsole on the Nike's was pretty thin....

Gee2626......If your LHS did not need to mitre out the outsole then he must have put at least a 2 mm shim across the whole front sole plate. If he raised the front by that much, then he would have needed to raise the rear by almost double that amount, to get back to something close to the original pitch. If he did not do this, the pitch of your skate will be a lot flatter than it was.

When I finished my mounting, the heel of the boot was only about .080" higher than the original HiHo chassis, and the fronts about .060", so the final pitch was just slightly greater, and the whole boot was higher off the floor by this amount.

Most people do not need to go to the extent I did, but it was right before a try-out/tournament, so I was taking great pains to make the new mounting as similar as possible. Then when my son got there, with me taking all this effort to make sure his skates were "right", two of the rear rivets pulled free.... my own fault..should have used the coppers there instead..... :(

[HerobyDay 0]

[MDE3 0]

If you had used one chassis size larger you could have moved the whole chassis forward so that the wheel overhang was equal.....See how the front edge of the rear soleplate is almost into the radius of the arch? If you moved it any farther forward, it could have caused a "bump" in the arch and probably some discomfort.

That's in part why I added the shims, so I did not have the front edge of the rear sole plate cutting into the boot radius. It allowed me to center the chassis....I also should have had a medium chassis, instead of a small. My rear sole plate shims were shorter than the chassis sole plate to allow me to move the whole chassis farther forward without disturbing the arch.