Moore files lawsuit

[Chadd 916]

Funny, most people who have met Bert don't think he's a good guy.

[ponty 0]

The game I saw was Moore and Cooke going at it twice. Cooke lost both fights which probably contributed to Bert's actions. Maybe it was once ... dont recall for sure but I know Moore did answer the bell.

If Moore would have just lost the fight then ...

[mickz 107]

Moore knew it was coming. Like c'mon, you don't cheapshot one of the leading scorers in the league and get away with it. Is Naslund suing Moore? No. Why? Because Naslund is a good player and he's sucking it up and just playing the game. What's Moore doing? He's whining because he has no future. What's Moore really suing for? According to TSN.ca's player profile on Moore. His claims of having a successful NHL career are mediocre. First look at his numbers, 5-7-12 in 57 games. TSN even has his career potential as a checking line centre! I agree with Naslund saying that Moore is only suing for the money. Moore doesn't have the guts to just suck it up and play the game. I have little to no respect for Steve Moore now. You might say my opinion is rather biased just because I'm a Canucks fan. However, I still have respect for guys like Marty McSorely and Donald Brashear. Even though Marty wasn't playing in the NHL anymore, he at least sucked it up and played in Europe. Brashear never even PLANNED on suing Marty and I bet Brashear will make more money than Moore ever will in the NHL.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Mickz - quit while you're behind. You sound like an idiot. It doesn't matter how many points he had, HE MADE IT TO THE NHL. He played 57 games, which is pretty good if you ask me...and last time I checked, check line centers are needed...

[ponty 0]

Did you read ANY of this thread. Any?

Let me give you a dose of your own thoughts so you know what you sound like.

On McSorley / Brasher

Me quoting myself ... be sarcastic of course:

"You know Donald had it coming. He was taunting the Bruins the whole game and refused to fight Marty. I dont even think Marty hit him that hard in the head. In fact, I think Brasher faked the orginal injury and then hurt himself for real during the faking process."

This is what some of the arguments sound like.

BTW I have yet to hear a single response back to Ruttu's cheap shots on Forsberg that same game and its results. Why am I not shocked?

[msander 0]

The Bertuzzi attack on Moore was a cowardly and pathetic act, no question about that. I'm a huge Canuck fan, and it just absolutely turned my stomach. However, the only thing that could make this situation even more disgraceful and pitiful is Steve Moore filing a lawsuit. It happened during the game, it needs to stay in the game. Let the NHL deal with Bert however they see fit, but to go to court over it is just terrible. Also, I don't want to hear about how Steve Moore will never earn a decent living at anything...I'd be willing to guess that he has pretty adequate insurance to cover this type of thing, and perhaps will even be receiving compensation from the NHLPA for several years. If I'm way off the mark on this, please tell me, it's just something I've heard.

[ponty 0]

I respect others thoughts and feedback. I simply can say I disagree with you msander. I understand your viewpoint but am looking at this a bit differently.

I would argue what has the NHL done? After seeing what has happened the last few days would you put your future in their hands?

[ponty 0]

Guys everthing aside do you realize how close we were to see a death live on TV??? Very, very close.

What would we being saying now if the results were a bit different?

Do we wait for the next thing to happen until we do something. Do we have to wait until someone dies because of something this stupid. Is our perceptions of the code worth that. Having a code is about honor. What the hell happened that was honorable that day?

Guys Bert crossed the line outside of the NHL. That is why we are seeing the lawsuit.

I have seen some good arguments the other way but this could have all been stopped if others would have applied the code in its orginal intent.

[mickz 107]

JR, that's why I said, "I have little to no respect for the guy." Of course if you get drafted it's already a big accomplishment, but to play is even greater. At least Moore is still alive. What about a kid like Snyder? You don't see his family suing Heatley. I'm just speaking my mind.

EDIT: But the obvious thing is that hockey is a contact sport and you can get hurt or even die. It's not like this event was the first time. It just doesn't seem right to me if you sue for something you know is going to happen. Yes, I know Bertuzzi and May said Moore was going to get it. In my opinion, Steve Moore was basically walking blindfolded into a minefield that night at GM Place. But there were warnings (call them threats if you want) and Steve and the Avalanche management decided to take the chance. Well, so what if Steve Moore gets a contract with another team? Where does the lawsuit go then?

[Chadd 916]

JR, that's why I said, "I have little to no respect for the guy." Of course if you get drafted it's already a big accomplishment, but to play is even greater. At least Moore is still alive. What about a kid like Snyder? You don't see his family suing Heatley. I'm just speaking my mind.

Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore, there is no question about that. Heatley had no intent to hurt Snyder. It all boils down to basic facts like that.

[ponty 0]

I would argue what player in any sport would not sue over a similar incident that was premeditated?

Geez when it first happened I knew it was coming and it had nothing to do with Moore as a person.

On a lighter note what page was it where I stated I was not going to start again.

Yikes!

[mickz 107]

JR, that's why I said, "I have little to no respect for the guy."  Of course if you get drafted it's already a big accomplishment, but to play is even greater.  At least Moore is still alive.  What about a kid like Snyder?  You don't see his family suing Heatley.  I'm just speaking my mind.

Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore, there is no question about that. Heatley had no intent to hurt Snyder. It all boils down to basic facts like that.

Chadd, I totally agree with your point there. However Moore saw that game in GM Place coming from weeks ago. Yes, I do give him credit for having the guts to step on the ice to face a team who swore revenge. But why not sue the Avalanche management too for letting Moore be in the path of danger in the first place?

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

JR, that's why I said, "I have little to no respect for the guy."  Of course if you get drafted it's already a big accomplishment, but to play is even greater.  At least Moore is still alive.  What about a kid like Snyder?  You don't see his family suing Heatley.  I'm just speaking my mind.

Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore, there is no question about that. Heatley had no intent to hurt Snyder. It all boils down to basic facts like that.

Chadd, I totally agree with your point there. However Moore saw that game in GM Place coming from weeks ago. Yes, I do give him credit for having the guts to step on the ice to face a team who swore revenge. But why not sue the Avalanche management too for letting Moore be in the path of danger in the first place?

Because hockey is a GAME...you're not supposed to risk your life when you go out there, a NHLer is a professional and when they step on the ice they are performing their job. Dude, take off the Canuck-colored glasses and look at the big picture. And don't bring the Snydes situation into this, I knew Dan from his time in Orlando and he was a good kid and obviously his parents are nice people. Totally different situation

[foppa21 0]

Just thinking on a tangent, how much easier does it make Moore's civil case that Bert has already pled guilty to a felony involving said event in the lawsuit? Or does it make it any easier at all? Are there any legal minds out there that can indulge me?

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

Funny, most people who have met Bert don't think he's a good guy.

I disagree, but, that's just me...what do I know?

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

mickz,

your 16 going on 17 is showing through...

After reading your posts in this thread, I'm embarrassed and disgusted to be a member of this BB.

Guys, take it easy on him, as he has not lived long enough to know any better than what his adolescence shows.

[mickz 107]

JR, that's why I said, "I have little to no respect for the guy."  Of course if you get drafted it's already a big accomplishment, but to play is even greater.  At least Moore is still alive.  What about a kid like Snyder?  You don't see his family suing Heatley.  I'm just speaking my mind.

Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore, there is no question about that. Heatley had no intent to hurt Snyder. It all boils down to basic facts like that.

Chadd, I totally agree with your point there. However Moore saw that game in GM Place coming from weeks ago. Yes, I do give him credit for having the guts to step on the ice to face a team who swore revenge. But why not sue the Avalanche management too for letting Moore be in the path of danger in the first place?

Because hockey is a GAME...you're not supposed to risk your life when you go out there, a NHLer is a professional and when they step on the ice they are performing their job. Dude, take off the Canuck-colored glasses and look at the big picture. And don't bring the Snydes situation into this, I knew Dan from his time in Orlando and he was a good kid and obviously his parents are nice people. Totally different situation

JR, I agree with your point that one isn't supposed to risk their life going out there to do their job. However, like in all jobs, there are risks. In all my posts, I never said what Bertuzzi did was right because I know it wasn't. But my point is now, why doesn't Moore bother to sue Granato and the Avs for putting him out, in danger, on the ice with players who swore revenge?

[foppa21 0]

They can't in any way be held liable for Bert's actions, plain and simple.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Simple.

He signed a contract with the Colorado Avalanche. He is expected to be out on the ice fulfilling the obligations listed in the contract.

[MDE3 0]

Well that would work great:

...Coach to player....hey "Spuds"...."I hear they're gona tag you tonight".....Spuds to coach..."oh yeah?...well then i better just sit this one out....", coach to Spuds..."no problem buddy...we'll let you know when the rumours tell us the heat is off"..."might be a month or two....but no problem..."

Yup sounds like a plan......

[mickz 107]

mickz,

your 16 going on 17 is showing through...

After reading your posts in this thread, I'm embarrassed and disgusted to be a member of this BB.

Guys, take it easy on him, as he has not lived long enough to know any better than what his adolescence shows.

Marcelo, I'm basically speaking my opinion. I'm behind what I believe in, and I know I'm getting pretty flamed in this topic but it's my opinion. I hate to sound rude but I'm only trying to stick up for my thoughts. If you don't feel the same way, you are entitled to your own opinion.

[Chadd 916]

Just thinking on a tangent, how much easier does it make Moore's civil case that Bert has already pled guilty to a felony involving said event in the lawsuit? Or does it make it any easier at all? Are there any legal minds out there that can indulge me?

It is much easier since Bertuzzi admitted his guilt. It's probably even better than if he had gone to trial.

[DrMolotov 0]

The Bertuzzi attack on Moore was a cowardly and pathetic act, no question about that. I'm a huge Canuck fan, and it just absolutely turned my stomach. However, the only thing that could make this situation even more disgraceful and pitiful is Steve Moore filing a lawsuit. It happened during the game, it needs to stay in the game. Let the NHL deal with Bert however they see fit, but to go to court over it is just terrible. Also, I don't want to hear about how Steve Moore will never earn a decent living at anything...I'd be willing to guess that he has pretty adequate insurance to cover this type of thing, and perhaps will even be receiving compensation from the NHLPA for several years. If I'm way off the mark on this, please tell me, it's just something I've heard.

Another mental midget steps from the shadows... seems common amongst the Canuck fans, too much BC bud has effected their ability to see things from a logical perspective. I love to see you say that to the Moore family, look them right in the eye and give them your wisdom.

Naslund drops gloves, throws cheap shot

DAMIEN COX

SPORTS COLUMNIST

In Markus Naslund's world, only elite hockey players have rights.

Steve Moore, to Naslund, only had the right to be a victim.

And certainly not to make a fuss about it.

"He's suing everyone so he can make money," Naslund told a Vancouver paper. "I've got no respect for him at all.

"This is just a guy who's trying to hit a home run (financially). Someone who wasn't good enough to play.

"I'm not saying what (Bertuzzi did) was right. But if it was me, I'd be doing everything I could to get back and play and show everyone the character I have."

Oh, don't worry. We now are keenly aware of the "character" possessed by Naslund.

This is the same captain of the Canucks who hid behind the brutes on his own team after being nailed with a clean hit, asked them to go out and make like the dogs of war so he could keep his saintly hands clean.

Has a little Tonya Harding-Jeff Gillooly scent to it, wouldn't you say?

This is a hockey player, based on his words yesterday, who looks down his nose at the marginal players in the game, the grunts, checkers and pluggers who have to scratch and claw just to get on the active roster of an NHL team for a few games.

Those Naslund judges as not "good enough to play" certainly don't deserve the same consideration as, say, he does. People like Moore should not have the temerity to bodycheck those above him in the food chain.

This Naslund is a "leader" who allowed the foaming-at-the-mouth lynch mob to get way out of control in the Canucks dressing room, ultimately helping to create the scenario that left Moore with a broken neck, Bertuzzi suspended indefinitely and the Canucks out millions of dollars in post-season revenue.

That Moore's career has been destroyed by Bertuzzi's attack, and that his health may have been permanently damaged, matters not to the Scandinavian, who we can only assume would never had made his comments without first thoroughly examining Moore's health charts.

`He's suing everyone so he can make money. I've got no respect for him at all.'

Canuck Markus Naslund, right, on former Avs winger Steve Moore

That Bertuzzi pleaded guilty in criminal court to intentionally assaulting Moore was also similarly not worth consideration to Naslund.

He figures Moore should just suck it up. Recovering lost wages and opportunity through a lawsuit would never be done by a manly sort.

Just go and steal somebody else's job during the lockout like the rest of us, Naslund seems to instruct.

It's the hypocrisy that really gets you.

On one hand, Naslund takes shots at NHL commissioner Gary Bettman for the indecency of trying to design a system that will cap NHL playing incomes at an average of about $1.3 million per season. The Swedish profile-in-courage then takes shots at an injured athlete who can't even exercise because of his severe injuries, suggesting he's just out for the money.

Gotta love a guy who suggests that if he'd suffered a broken neck he'd make like John Wayne.

Moreover, this is the reverse juice on the hockey slang of the 1970s when newcomers were labelled "chicken Swedes" by nasty Canadian brutes.

Now it's the Swedes deriding the manhood of the Canadians.

That Naslund questions Moore's character is indeed the topper. After all, at least Borje Salming stood up for himself. Naslund could have sought revenge against Moore himself last winter, could have dropped his gloves, lifted his protective visor and given the Harvard grad the old Ingemar Johansson one-two.

Instead, he let Brad May and Bertuzzi play judge and jury while he kept his Lady Byng tiara in place.

Now the lawsuit is on, and the evidence sure looks compelling that there was a conspiracy to take Moore's livelihood away from him.

Sadly, one name is missing from the list of defendants.

Would love to see the name of Markus Naslund added.

What a stupid, stupid man.

[Cunndies 0]

Moore knew it was coming. Like c'mon, you don't cheapshot one of the leading scorers in the league and get away with it. Is Naslund suing Moore? No. Why? Because Naslund is a good player and he's sucking it up and just playing the game. What's Moore doing? He's whining because he has no future. What's Moore really suing for?

There are so many flaws in this post it's not even funny....

First off, the fact that Naslund is a "star" has NOTHING to do with it. It was deemed a clean hit by the referees, and the league. Get over it.

Even if Moore did "know it was coming", there's no way he could've predicted how brutal Bertuzzi was going to be, and there's absolutely no excuse for doing what Bert did. I fail to see why you're even trying to defend him.

He's suing him because he's had his future unfairly, and unjustly taken from him.

According to TSN.ca's player profile on Moore.  His claims of having a successful NHL career are mediocre.  First look at his numbers, 5-7-12 in 57 games.  TSN even has his career potential as a checking line centre! 

Look at Naslund's stats for his first year.

GP - 71

Goals - 4

Assists - 7

Points - 11

He'd made it to the NHL, and scored more than the "superstar" did in his first year. I'm not saying Moore would've been a star, but he was an NHL player, no question.

I agree with Naslund saying that Moore is only suing for the money.  Moore doesn't have the guts to just suck it up and play the game. 

Actually, he doesn't have the medical capability to "suck it up and play the game". He broke vertebrae in his neck and had a severe concussion. Currently he's UNABLE to "play the game".

How anybody can portray Moore as anything but the victim in this is beyond me.

Anyway, I've also lost a lot of respect for Naslund. He always struck me as a really good guy, but he's really let himself down with those comments. I'd have expected more from him.

[Chadd 916]

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