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Sharpening: Blade Hollow and the Relationship to Body Weight
Vet88 replied to Gretsch's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
For what it is worth, I was talking to a guy from Maximum Edge and he said very few NHL players are on anything less than 1/2". Most are on 3/4" to 1", that kind of validates the theory that heavier skilled skaters are on a shallow hollow. And most are on a combo radius. -
somewhere earlier in the thread I believe Justin says he has converted a pair to ice. I know I have read somewhere of an ice conversion.
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I still have my old CA9's and put them side by side with the MAX. I admit it is hard to measure the internal heel area without actual design drawings but from the an outside perspective, the heel area of the CA9 is much narrower than the MAX. Measuring the back of the heel with calipers 1 1/2" up from the sole of the boot, CA9's measure 63mm, MAX's measure 72mm across the heel. Even just putting the 2 boots side by side, looking at the back and from the bottom of the skates, the MAX is visibly thicker through the heel area, especially the area between the ankle bone and the sole. Whilst the sole may have remained the same, the MAX flares outward a lot more from the sole than the CA9 and this creates the extra space in the heel area. I'm considering baking the skates again, put the skates on and lie on the floor and have someone stand on the heel area on the inside of the boot to compress the area under the ankle bone against my foot. I don't know if this will work and if it does move inwards, how long the boot would stay in this position? If you have any other suggestions I'd be keen to give it a go.
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I found quite a difference between the CA9 and the Max and Max+ skates for heel size. I have narrow heels and In CA9's the lock was ok, in the Max and Max+ the heel pocket is now noticeably wider.
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You will get around 1mm of space as the heel settles back into the pocket.
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If your toes are touching the toe cap when new, after 4 or 5 skates your heel will settle back into the pocket and your toes should move back by about 1mm. I don't know if that will give you enough clearance, I doubt it based on the Bauer size you skate in. In my experience Alkali run smaller than other skates and you generally need to buy a 1/2 size up, Bauer 8 equals Alkali 8.5.
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My feet are 25.5cm long and I fit Alakali 6.5 perfectly,. Ergo 26cm long feet will fit Alkali 7.5 for length but you may get into a 7 depending on how you like your fit and how you have measured your foot for length..
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At 27cm I'd say you were a perfect fit for 8.5 but you may not like your toes just short of feathering the toe cap. If you like a little more room then you would look at a 9. If you were to try an 8.5 in a lhs I'd say your toes would press lightly against the toe cap, after a bake and you have skated in them 4 or 5 times the heel padding will settle and your toes will move off the toe cap by about 1mm.
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It depends on how you like your length fit and how you measure your foot length. This is why for a length test, you do it with laces undone and tongue out so any restrictions from the width do not interfere with working out your ideal length. You can get a snug fit feeling with laces done up even though the boot might be slightly longer than what might be considered a perfect length. I'm not saying this is the case for WickedAussie but I have come across this many times before. At 26.5cm you would be a borderline 8. Length fit is a personal choice and my fit is for one that is as close to toes brushing the toe cap as possible with the laces done up. To me, this is the perfect fit for length. As to measuring your foot, piece of paper on the floor placed against a wall, heel against the wall on the paper, mark the end of longest toe (straight down) then measure from papers edge to the mark. Releap doesn't give a foot length which would help.
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I would say you need an 8. I fit a 7 in the old inline mission range and a 6 in an ice skate (except graf or vapour ranges which is a 6.5). I fit a 6.5 in a ca9 and rpd max. Length is perfect, my toes are just off the toe cap by around 1mm. Foot length is 25.5cm's. Generally 1cm up is 1 size up so a 27cm foot could fit a size 8 but it depends on how you like the fit and how you have measured your foot length, you may be better off in 8.5.
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Saw the max+ this weekend on an Alkali sponsored player, really nice looking boot. Is the heel pocket the same size (width wise) between the max and the max+?
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After about a month of skating, the heel compressed about 2mm's which backed my toes off the toe box by that amount. Perfect fit. The heel didn't start slipping on me until after about 15 months of use and I ended up using the c-clamp and heat plus some 2mm ezyfit booties to fix it. However another issue arose with the chassis so I retired them (after 18 months of hard use) and moved to RPD max :)
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The toe issue does get better as the heel lining compresses with use. The CA9 doesn't have a lot of volume, I lived with lace bite in them the entire time I had them. Inside out lacing helps but as they get more worn in it gets worse until you implement something permanent like a lace bite gel pad or similar, different tongue or a forsberg pad (this is simple and easy to make and the ultimate stop to lace bite). The heel lock was another weakness (imho) in this skate, try spot heating the rear quarter and use a c-clamp to clamp underneath the ankle bones. This will give you more grip around the lower ankle area and it helped stop my heel from slipping.
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You can build your own half donuts. Use closed cell neoprene foam, cut it into a C shape that fits around the bottom of your ankle bone, I always taped them to the inside of my ankle. Try one layer first, if that does not do the trick then try 2 layers. When I used multiple layers the next layer up was always slightly smaller in shape than the layer below so it does not create uneven pressure points on the ankle. Downside is you have to tape your foot up every game and over time it will change the shape of the inside of the boot where it presses against the boot liner. You could also try 2mm thick ezifit booties. And last but not least, you could shape the boot more to your foot shape. Use a heat gun to soften up the rear quarter then use c-clamps to narrow the boot in the area under the ankles. You want the boot to move around 1/4' inwards each side. Any bad pressure points you can spot heat the area and then push it out with either your foot or use your thumb. Note, I used a 76mm wheel lodged into the pockets where my ankles would be to hold the top of the boot in it's current shape, the idea here is to get the bottom of the boot to grip your ankle better and stop your ankle from shifting.
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I'd say that if you are doubling up in socks the skates are too big for you, either in length or width or both.
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There are plenty of posts on sizing for length - laces and tongue pulled right out, foot in, toes feathering the toe cap, if you can slide a pencil down the back of your heel the boots are too big by at least 1/2 a size. Ideal gap is 1mm - 2mm.
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Also depends if you are measuring a D or a EE as they can be different lengths even though they are the same size ie 8EE is longer than a 8D. For one reason or another I consider an Alkali to be a D when measuring for length as they don't have a range of widths. So a 9EE in Bauer would be close to a 10 Alkali.
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If you can fit a screw driver down the back of your heel I'd be buying the same size, 11.5. And if you change back to Bauer / Mission etc I'd be looking at getting 11's. As for what model, you do pay for what you get and a lot depends on your skating style. I could point you to a guy who weighs 220 and can play in anything (he used Mission soldiers for many years) because he has great balance and positioning over the skates. Then again I can point you to another guy in the same team who weighs 190 and destroys skates in a few months (CA9's, T10's, RX60's to name a few) because he puts a lot of pressure on the inside of his skates due to his skating style. All I can say is buy what you can afford, if it is online a lot of places will accept a return and replacement as long as they are not used or baked (there may be a restocking fee).
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the post before you supports everything that I have found out / experienced for Alkali sizing. You will most probably want to get a 8.5 but it all depends on how your one80's fit you. If you were in a D and your toes feather the toe cap then a 8.5 is for you. However a EE is slightly longer and if your toes are a really close feather then you might have to get a 9.
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Which, if I was fitting you, I'd say is at least a 1/2 size to big. There should be no more than 2mm max between the back of your heel and the boot, you shouldn't be able to fit a screw driver down the back. But if they work for you then all good.
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I'd be interested in how they test for length on you. Laces out, tongue out, foot in and toe brushing the toe cap, how much space do you have between the boot and the back of your heel?
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If you are needing a 7.5 I struggle to see how your foot is 25cm long? When I first tried on my 6.5's my big toe still brushed the toe cap after a bake and with the laces done up. After about 3 weeks of hard skating the toe had backed off by about 1/8", giving me a perfect fit. Did you measure a trace of your foot or use the wall method as I suggested? As you trace your foot, you often don't take into account how the back of the heel is shaped or that the pen must stay vertical. Regardless, I share your pain with the delay. Sounds like the LHS doesn't hold them in stock and has to get them in for orders. I have the same problem in my country. CA5's are the only ones they have on the shelf.
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If your foot is 25cm long you will be a 6 or 6.5, depending on how you have measured and how you like your fit. Put a piece of paper against the wall, foot on paper with heel against the wall, mark the longest toe. Measure.
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Hey Kiwiroller, welcome to the sport of inline. If you need any advice or general help here in NZ drop me a pm, always willing to help.
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My CA9's are size 6.5 and are 80mm wheels, are they different to other 6.5's? (as I'm going to get some RPD max when I can afford it and I like the all 80mm setup)
