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@pinkape yes I did, and then quickly realized how bad of a fit the supreme is on my foot. They are mounted on vapors now. @tattoosbyjay still using it sorry.

selling two boots if anyone is interested. One had a marsblade on prior - I put the tuuk back on for now, but if you are a 7.5D, fit supremes, and want a good pair of boots to convert they are for sale. Also have a pair of 8.0D Mission Axiom T9's that I removed the hilo from. If you are interested in either boot let me know. Here is the for sale listing: http://modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php/topic/66575-supreme-one8-size-75d-mission-axiom-t9-80d-just-boot-warrior-project-girdle-shells/ Heres the supreme (when they had the marsblades on): Here are the missions:

If anybody is interested - im selling the original boot I tried to use with my marsblades (bought them and could not deal with the boot - too shallow). Its already got all the holes drilled out, so if you are weary about setting it up or anything like that, all the work is basically done on these. Here is the listing: http://modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php/topic/66575-supreme-one8-size-75d-mission-axiom-t9-80d-just-boot-warrior-project-girdle-shells/?p=1008019 Here is a pic of them with the marsblades on: and what they look like now: I also have a pair of size 8D axiom T9's that are just the boot, so if you want to use those for your conversion let me know.

I got a medium, and put it on a 7.5D pair of vapors. The fit is perfect, and it almost lines up with exactly where the tuuk was. If I had tried a large, I am not completely sure if part of the frame would be sticking out in the front and back. I'd definitely go with a medium for a size 6.5 skate.

Ive only used marsblades with Bauer skates so far. I use Makos for ice, so I tried getting the same pitch from setting them up with Bauers. With other chassis, I have used a 7-8mm shim to try and get the pitch to be the same (sprungs and hilo). Marsblades actually felt more like the aggressive mako pitch right off the bat (even more so with the 68mm wheel in front). They probably could use a small shim to get it a little closer to the real pitch though. If I were you, I would try it without the shim first to see how it feels. Shims are really easy to add, especially after you have all the holes drilled already. For the shim, I just ordered a big piece of HDPE plastic that is 1/32" thick. I can use plastic epoxy to glue sheets together if I have to make the shim thicker.

@sjs0433 Did you use a shim on your 5.0 conversions? It almost looks clear if there is one there... Ive used HDPE in the past (from a cutting board), but I kinda wish I could have something clear or black - since it might look a little better.

I contacted Easton, and they did say they would start selling the mako II extendon guard retail. I guess its not out of the question that they would start selling the footbed since they are selling the extendon guard. If I had to guess though I'd say no. Maybe you can somehow get it directly from them if you are interested.

haha alright I see. So since the sheet I ordered comes in 1/32" thickness, Im gonna try bonding together three sheets and testing to see how it feels. Marsblade is supposed to have the same pitch as tuuk, so this should get me to the same pitch as my ice skates. Question about the mako 2 for those who have used them: How is the footbed compared to the mako 1? I ended up swapping mine out with some Bauer footbeds because I didnt like how the mako footbed felt. It was definitely grippy, but I guess I just like the smoother texture of the bauer footbed better. In pictures it definitely looks different than the mako 1.

ok I'm lost again. Heres why Im not getting it. If pitch is measured in degrees, and the CXN holder is 3 degrees more aggressive than tuuk, then when adding a shim, you would definitely have to take skate size into account (unless its so negligible that I'm greatly overestimating it) Take this for example: Now lets say that angle C on a Bauer skate is 5 degrees, then the angle on Mako skates should be 8 degrees, correct? If you change the length of side a, then side c has to increase more to achieve the same pitch angle. If I knew where to measure from, I could just solve the problem like this, but the way holders work, I don't know if I should be measuring from the end of the toe cap, or somewhere like this: Can someone explain where im going wrong? I went ahead and ordered a 1/32" peice of HDPE, so I can epoxy pieces together to get the right amount once Ive figured out what it is for sure.

@AfftonDad - A little confused because Ive never seen the equipment before. Anyway, would you have any idea of how big a shim I would need to add to a size 8 skate to add 3 degrees to the pitch? I know its possible to calculate using trig, but Im not sure if I should be measuring the smallest angle from the very front of the boot, or if I should measure from the back of the front part of the holder. Im trying to get the pitch of my skates with marsblades to match my makos, and gotta figure out how thick a piece of HDPE im gonna need. @Chad - I think I understand now. Any idea how big a shim would be needed for a size 8 to add 3 degrees of pitch?

Wouldnt skate size factor into it? Im guessing 1/32" on a size 7 skate is very different than on a size 12. But going by that logic, if someone was using tuuk, and wanted to get the same pitch as mako, a 3mm shim would be needed? I just installed marsbaldes on my rollerblades for off ice training. I emailed Per, and he said that they used tuuk as a reference point for choosing the pitch of the marsblade. If im trying to get as close to my ice skates as possible for off ice training, should I try out a 3mm shim to see if it feels more like my ice skates?

Here's a quick pic of my most recent conversion might be relevant to some recent posts. One.8 with marsblades. http://i.imgur.com/083GpoP.jpg Will post more details and stuff when I get home!

The aggressive pitch maybe took about 2-3 sessions to adjust to. Once I got used to them, I felt like my acceleration was a lot better. I could go from being still to accelerating much faster because the pitch made my body ready to accelerate. I tried going back to tuuk a few times, but I felt way back on my heels. If Mako ever went away I would 100% stick with a forward pitch. Ive gone as far as to waste hours on trying to get my rollerblades to match the pitch that my ice skates have (harder than youd think). The biggest difference in fit for me was the forefoot area is wider. I actually like the fit of the vapors a lot, but I have to do a lot of work to that area so make it fit right (used to get numb toes). The heel maybe is a tad wider than the vapor, but you can squeeze the boot to get better heel lock if its a problem your having. Its hard to say which boot is deeper - the mako completely grips your foot, while the vapor you have to pull in the sides (if that makes any sense) so I would say they are about the same. The Mako is a very different fit and feel than any other skate Ive tried on - so they are really hard to compare. The vapor is definitely stiffer, and I'm still trying to figure out how tight I can tie the Mako without getting pain, but while maintaining stiffness. Going from a 7.5D Vapor x5.0 to a 7.5D Mako, I would say the Mako is a very tiny bit smaller (length wise).

I had the same thoughts going into it for me. Now im totally sold on the holder, and in a bind of what boot I like better (vapor or mako). If you dont like the pitch, all the holes line up, and its an easy swap if you wanna switch to tuuk. I actually just swapped out the tuuk on a pair of APX2 and im trying them out with the cxn holder. http://imgur.com/a/ifi5y PM me with any questions. I also have the old tuuk holder and steel from the apx2 if you are interested in buying. I also have the tuuk from my vapor x5.0 that I converted to roller blades.

Cant see any of your images. Just upload all of them to imgur and link the gallery

Im wondering how much the holder and runner has to do with the speed. I had my first skate today with APX2 with a cxn holder attached, and I gotta tell you, it felt pretty much the same as Mako's (except the fit obviously). I felt just as fast, and I might actually prefer the stiffer skate over the softer mako. The only other difference I see that could be seen as an advantage is the extendon guard offered on the makos and not the BAuers. The extra room to extend might come in handy with the aggressive stance (which is why i think its there on the makos). Im going to be going back and forth all summer to compare, but IMO the cxn holder is great. Its a lot cheaper than tuuk too, so if you are thinking of trying out the makos, but are unsure about the forward stance, I would say give them a shot.

Well, whoever buys easton might keep everything the same, nothing is guaranteed. Mission is owned by Bauer and they're still around. Isn't CCM owned by Reebok or something? Either way someone will offer something similar. If makos went away, VH customs are pretty close from what I hear.

yea sorry, didn't mean to imply that. Sucks for easton considering that getting pros to sign and wear in the NHL would sell more skates than investing money in the technology and actually improving the skate. Basketball figured this out a long time ago, hockey needs to catch up. I wouldn't be against naming skates after players.

I don't think the look of the mako is off putting, especially for kids. Mako is a brand that is very popular with kids who play baseball too. It comes down to what the pros are wearing. Which is why 90% of kids around here wear vapors. I can guarantee if Kane, stamkos, and ovi started to wear the orange mako skates, they would really start to gain some market share. Even if Bauer released a similar designed skate, kids would jump all over it. Bauer is in with kids. It's almost like those dumb fucking dre beats headphones, you want "the best" just like your friends.

eh, I think once you use them on an outdoor surface they are pretty much done. Doesnt matter if it was hard or not.

Went through those options in the other thread. Even with profiling, your not guaranteed the same feel because the steel will still be contoured differently (different toe and heel). For me since they line up and aren't that expensive compared to tuuks, the decision is easy to just switch out the holder.

I think for most people, they eventually end up liking the more aggressive pitch of the cxns. More than anything else about the skate, the pitch I think made me a better skater. The combination of cxn holder and runner is only 60 bucks, vs 120-140 for tuuks. If you like the aggressive stance, it might be cheaper just to swap out holders than to get a profiling. Plus since the holes line up perfectly (according to this thread) that it's easy and will not compromise the integrity of the boot at all. I plan on using tnuts and bolts to put my holder back on, because I think they hold better than rivets. I'll report back how it goes.

I searched through the thread, but couldnt find a definite answer: Does the LS edge holder line up perfectly with the cxn holder? Im trying out a pair of APX2's and its cheaper for me to just try out the skate with a cxn holder than getting the steel profiled. And does anyone know when replacement extendon guards will be available? If theyre cheap enough, Id like to get a mako II guard to slap on there to eliminate some of the orange overload.

Anyone know how many different mounting holes is too many? I ask because right now I've got a pair of vapors converted from ice to roller with a sprungs frame. I picked up a pair of marsblades and I'm gonna mount that on them. Is this gonna really start weakening the outsole? I'm apprehensive to do any work on my really nice skates for this reason. I wanna convert them for the summer, and go back in the winter, but if that's gonna really reduce their life then I might try something else out.

Just beause the wear pattern isnt consistent, doesnt mean that the wheels are coming off. It is essentially a straight chassis on top of an ice rocker. Yes the wheels will flex a bit when there is more pressure on one side, which might barely let one wheel be off ground, but this will not be noticeable at all, and essentially the exact same as a straight chassis. (soft wheels will flex more than hard ones, but both are so small its negligible) And even without considering the above, even if all four were ALWAYS on the ground, the wear pattern would not be consistent. you push off the back wheels more, and stopping uses the back wheels more.