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Have a customer who is ordering 3 pairs of full custom AS1 skates, two primary and the third as a back-up. He is wondering the difference between the following options below. Help is appreciated since he is dropping some serious cash buying himself 3 pairs of skates and doesn't want to make a mistake when selecting options.
Tongue:
Pro Tongue HPE vs EVA? He is looking for a thin and light tongue with decent protection. Becuase of the requested protection he wants, I advised against the lightweight molded tongue. Is there a better option?
Liner:
I have ordered all of the Clarino options before for various customers. He is wanting to know what the Air Mesh option is? Also, he noticed it says "other" as an option, which I have never noticed previously, what "other" options are there?
Facing:
If he orders the 1/4" advance facing, is that on both the inside and outside, or just the outside?
Toe Cap:
If he selects oversized, do they just source one size larger for the cap or how do they determine what size cap they provide? For example, if he wears a size 9 skate, does CCM instead use a toe cap for a 10? Again, there is an option for "other" which I have previously never seen.
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4 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:So, when it comes to true widths (as in what you would get in for custom skates), Vapor is always correct.
However, a D in a Supreme is an E, and a D in a Nexus is an EE.
The thing though, is that the overall shapes are different. Will a Nexus D go on his foot? Yes. Will it work? Not sure.
I have tried to explain that to him that heel depth, instep and facing are also different and it's not only the width. I am waiting to hear back and see what he wants to do. If anything, I would rather have him buy a lesser model skate around the price he wants to spend if it fits better instead of a more expensive skate that fits poorly.
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5 hours ago, strosedefence34 said:The markups on sticks and equipment, in general, isn't as big as people expect. I won't share any details, but I took a part-time job at a small shop where I am able to buy stuff at cost and I was surprised to see the cost compared to MAP.
Not sure why you think the markup is low. High-end skates go for about 40% more than cost. MAP is a nightmare but its the only thing that keep the big stores like Hockey Monkey and Pure from crushing little shops like mine.
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3 hours ago, stick9 said:The new Ribcors aren't marketed properly. CCM says, low volume, shallow heel pocket - narrow forefoot & low instep. I didn't find them to be low volume or have a low instep.
I have to agree. I think the new Ribcor line is very much a high volume and very wide skate. Where a D width in an FT1 or Super Tack would fit me a little too tightly the Ribcor 70k felt sloppy and too loose.
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Our store typically doesn't stock Bauer Nexus skates will order them for customers if requests.
I have a player who typically wears a Vapor or Supreme in EE width, depending on the year of the skate, request to order a Nexus 1N in a D width. His logic is that since he typically wears an EE width in other models and a D width in the Nexus would fit him fine. He is trying to save money and we can get him the Nexus 1N for 30% less than a 1S or 1X.
Does anyone know the likelihood of this being true? My gut instinct is saying the skates are going to be too loose and sloppy for him. Especially since he is wearing 2015 Vapor 1x skates currently and is happy with their fit.
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Doubt the customer is going to want to buy skates just to get the grey holders. Seems silly Bauer would make an item and then not make replacements parts available for warranty issues.
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15 hours ago, Doughnuts08 said:Yes, the ProSharp home works fine to keep a profile. A Sparx will maintain it too. It's the manual process of sharpening that usually ruins the profile over time.
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5 hours ago, Urabus33 said:I think that’s true as well, some of the much earlier VH models we saw for repairs and sharpenings did not have that flat spot at all. I think as you ordered closer to the rebranding they addressed that. I’m guessing that little plastic piece helps, at least going off what our rep told us.
Makes sense. Thanks for the insight. We have a lot of players with Pre-True skates and lower generation VH skates that are swapping to the Step holders and I have seen a few issues with getting a very flat mounting. Each time we have used a very thin piece of polycarbonate between the skate and the holder.
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1 hour ago, Doughnuts08 said:I ship mine out to a shop who does it on a pro sharp machine every time i need a sharpening....if you have it manually done, the profile is not gonna stay consistent
Bingo!
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20 hours ago, Larry54 said:That's what Saku Koivu had on his skates when he was with Montreal. Notice the thick black shims.
I guess taller steel wasn't available back then. But with shims, maybe the "flange" (or whatever it's called) at the top of the holder would still hit the ice so it wouldn't be as effective as taller steel.
Many players do use lifts so that is a possibility. But for some, the change is negative as it affects a players center of gravity. I get a lot of older players that buy new Step/Tydan/Massive steel and want me to grind it down to an LS2 height because they hate the taller steel. The younger players are much more accustomed to the taller steel so they are already adapted to it.
I am also mixed on if taller is better. The only reason why I like taller is it allows me to profile a blade one or more times without making the steel very short.
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Yeah, I was considering doing RIT but the owner of the skates wants a like for like replacement. Put me in an awkward situation to either replace them with white or black and neither of those colors the customer wants. I talked toBuaer and a few others and they all told me to kick rocks. The holders are still under warranty too.
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On 5/23/2018 at 8:57 PM, mc88 said:For the weight-watcher junkies (268mm or about a size 8 skate):
VH Gen 1 - w/o shot blockers - black felt tongue - w/o shims - standard foot-beds - Elite Wide Unwaxed 96" - Step BlackSteel (874g || 1lb 9.2oz)
VH Gen 2 - w/shot blockers - black felt tongue - 1/16th shim - standard footbeds - Howies Waxed 96" - LS3 DLC steel (921g || 2lb 0.5oz)
True Gen 1 - w/shot blockers - white felt tongue - 1/8th shim - standard foot-beds - Howies Waxed 96" - Tydan DLC + Mirror (986g || 2lb 2.8oz)
I noticed the True Gen 1 skates you show dont have the piece under the hell of the skate. I think its only cosmetic and doesn't really add any lift though.
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On 5/30/2018 at 10:09 PM, shoot_the_goalie said:Anybody have experience with changing an eyelet on their True skates? Took a shot to the foot tonight (didn't hurt) but damaged one of my eyelets pretty good.
Pretty easy to change out. Our shop does it all the time.
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On 5/30/2018 at 12:00 PM, Byonic Skate Blades said:Let me know if you've heard of @ByonicSkateBlades and your thoughts on skate blades in general. Check us out www.bbyonic.com.
Our shop carries your blades and I can tell you the general feedback we have received.
Pros: Very light! Colored steel is "cool." Holds a good edge. Much better than factory steel.
Negatives: Wish the steel was taller like Tydan/Step. Could be harder steel. Colors wear off easily.
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On 5/31/2018 at 2:05 PM, CTB said:I went to a family owned store that does a good amount of trade in business and their adult size inventory was almost non-existent. They said these days the skates they get for trade in are rarely in good enough condition to resell.
There are many skates that I have owned, none of them Bauer, that have looked nearly new for a long period of time despite being used heavily. I think the major changes to composite boots and such which eliminated leather/pleather and other pliable materials have made the boots stiffer but they also break down faster too. My True, Graf, and Mako II skates still look excellent.
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Anyone know where these can be purchased from new or used? Bauer doesn't have them for me to order directly. Thanks!
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2 hours ago, Karly14 said:Interesting. I think you bring up something important for my situation -- there are a lot of the big box hockey/sports stores in my area, but sadly, the one person in the region I'd really trust to profile with care and attention recently passed away. If it's going to be a finicky thing, maybe it would just be easier to go to the longer holder. Thanks, Nicholas!
What region are you in?
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51 minutes ago, GoalForFun said:Has this always been an option or is it new? Because if it’s new then I doubt people have enough experience to comment.
I have not seen this as an option before so I assume its new, or at least new for our shop to offer as an option.
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Funny someone mentioned subconsciously curling toes inside skates. I used to do that all the time and eventually put foam in the toe to force my toes down. This was before they had things like PowerFoot available. I just used some high-density foam. Ever since I think any skate I test feels weird without having that padding forcing my toes flat.
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On 5/12/2018 at 4:49 PM, mojo122 said:CCM's Orthomove insole looks intriguing. However it's new so I don't know that there's any feedback out there on them yet.
The ones we have sold have not had good reviews from customers.
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22 hours ago, Karly14 said:Thanks, everyone. Massive help! Definitely going to read up on a longer radius profiling... I hadn't thought of profiling as a possible solution.
A bit more context for JR (if he's able to reply) - As mentioned, the 254 feels less stable in that my body weight doesn't feel properly distributed on the blades, but I also feel like I'm not able to generate the same power in my straight ahead stride or turns/crossovers. I feel like the shorter blade increases the number of strides I have to take, making my skating less efficient and more tiring than it was on a 263. Maybe this also sounds like something that could be remedied by a profiling? Oh, it's also worth mentioning that I first thought it would just take a minute to get used to it, but I've been on a 254 for a few months now and I'm not really adapting.
Thanks again, everyone. Every time I have a question on this site the quality responses remind me why I've been a member since the Corebeam days (when I wore a Vapor 10 on a 263)...
Everything you mention can be corrected with the proper profile. I've switched from 272 to 263 and even used 254 before finding that 263 was a good length for me. Once profiled it provided a perfect balance of weight and blade contact on the ice. But for full disclosure, I have a ProSharp machine so I have access to try various things such as different profiles, changing the center of gravity and altering pitch. I like to watch people skate before making any recommendations about what we should adjust. Then, when we start, changes are made in increments. Too many changes at once and it makes it nearly impossible to determine what was good and what was bad.
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I know CCM custom orders allow poron as an option for ankle padding and was wondering if anyone has any experience with it? How does it compare vs the donut and donut 2?
Thanks!
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3 hours ago, Leif said:Even though you don’t like speed plates, you might want to try them again since you already have some, and see if they remove the pain. Superfeet lift your heel, changing the depth of the skate, and the arch support is one size fits all. It is possible the arch support is the issue. If you rebake one skate, it might be worth standing up while it cools, to spread the feet more.
I also agree with this.
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3 hours ago, Karly14 said:Thanks, Junkyard! Helpful - I didn’t know 6.5 EE came on a 263. That’s promising (I hope).
I’ve just gone down a full size in skates, and while the boot feels great, the 254 feels really unstable after skating on a 263 for fifteen years.
Get them profiled. It will change things dramatically. We do profiling at the shop I own and everyone is blown away with the significance of change after the steel is profiled.
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Customer ordering some CCM custom skates, questions on options I have never ordered?
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The HD tongue sounds exactly like what he wants.
Makes sense about the air mesh lining. I dont think he wants that and I always recommend clarino so we will see what he chooses.
So the advanced facing would allow the eyelets to wrap over the top of the foot better, yes?
Good to know about the toe cap. I think he wants two sizes up, if that's even possible, so I will make a note of it on the order sheet.