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    Hockey Shop and i think there is only one more that do FBV in Vancouver, anyone know of anyone else? Its too far of a commute to get done, i talked to some shop owners and they are waiting to see the reaction it gets then they might think of moving to FBV.

    Danny L of Larry's Sports should be convinced to get one. I can't believe they're so closed to getting it. I didn't buy mine for making money of it and breathe the skates dust. But it sure has paid for itself buy driving more customers to the store to just sharpen and then when they see the stuff I got, they buy it. I can't understand how being busy as they are they still haven't gotten one.

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    The smaller the wheel, the more you have to dress it to get a proper shape on the wheel, thus killing the life out of your Spinners. It's cheaper to buy a new wheel than a new Spinner.

    JR, how can you be 100% sure the spinner is done? I'm noticing two of the ones I use the most spin longer now, yet still seem to be dressing the wheel.

    Also, reg. the Batgage, in the very beginning I noticed it takes a little practice to properly put it on the blade. Is it possible to de-calibrate it somehow (by accidentally dropping it or by messing with the two crews at the bottom (I think my empoyee did that).

    I also think that over time it might be loosing it's accuracy as skate blades cut into it's aluminum body.

    Thank you.

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    You noticed it right. I stopped using the batgage since pretty much of the beginning of the learning curve. In my case if I don't touch the pitch knob, the spinner (either regular or FBV) does perfect job, so, basically, there's no need to check the edges level. Now I reserve the batgage for customers who potentially would want to check the edges level.

    Get the kick out of the FBV myself, especially on a harder ice.

    Do you find that you need to adjust the knobs significantly with different blade widths?

    Absolutely. But that doesn't irate me or something. To me it means better precision coming from using the tri-lie holder (I have a professional turbo portable spinner with the U-12 Tri-Lie holder)

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    I've been working with the X-01 for the second day, and can now get even edges and smooth passes. I've noticed that the batgage does not fit on certain goalie blades, as it seems to be designed for the width of player blades.

    You noticed it right. I stopped using the batgage since pretty much of the beginning of the learning curve. In my case if I don't touch the pitch knob, the spinner (either regular or FBV) does perfect job, so, basically, there's no need to check the edges level. Now I reserve the batgage for customers who potentially would want to check the edges level.

    Get the kick out of the FBV myself, especially on a harder ice.

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    Just tried out the 100/75 FBV today, with a 20/32' combo radius with medium forward lean (goalie). It does feel a lot like 3/8" ROH, but it isn't enough bite for me as I'm used to a 5/16" radius. It holds its edge pretty well, but may be more dependent on the brand of steel used. Has anyone heard if Blackstone is coming out with a spinner with more bite?

    Give it more time. The FBV requires some adjustment. The chances are you won't need more edge than 100/75

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    Totally worth it. Lasts longer and performs better. I'm upset I don't have time to get it done for my game tonight, and will have to use a shitty ROH sharpening.

    What I think is funny though is that no one really knows about it in Vancouver. I ask every hockey shop I go to and most either haven't heard of it, or claim it's un proven yet and not worth the investment. I think they need to get on MSH

    Larry's Sports in North Vancouver must have the FBV

    Nope. They were the ones that said it was unproven and not worth the investment at this time. They didn't want to affect their current customer base.

    Then Danny L screwed up.

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    Totally worth it. Lasts longer and performs better. I'm upset I don't have time to get it done for my game tonight, and will have to use a shitty ROH sharpening.

    What I think is funny though is that no one really knows about it in Vancouver. I ask every hockey shop I go to and most either haven't heard of it, or claim it's un proven yet and not worth the investment. I think they need to get on MSH

    Larry's Sports in North Vancouver must have the FBV

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    I'm joining this thread REALLY late in the game.

    My shop's had the FBV for a while, but I've been too stubborn to try it until now. I took a 90/75 to freshly flooded ice... I've never felt anything like that before. It was incredible; felt like I was skating on velvet. But in a good way.

    I get the best results on 90/75 FBV. I don't actually think that " the time will show" The time has showed. I simply can't go back to traditional hollow.

    I'm joining this thread REALLY late in the game.

    My shop's had the FBV for a while, but I've been too stubborn to try it until now. I took a 90/75 to freshly flooded ice... I've never felt anything like that before. It was incredible; felt like I was skating on velvet. But in a good way.

    I get the best results on 90/75 FBV. I simply can't go back to traditional hollow sharpening. Ytied to compare a few time. Big difference. I thank the time has already shown the FBV is here to stay

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    Not sure how intellectual property rights apply either. The flat bottom vee is a great idea and kudos to Blackstone for implementing it. However machinists have been doing this for years. Just google "diamond roller dresser" and you'll come up with plenty of diamond dusted shaped that can be used as a negative or positive to make a shape, or in this case, make a shape in a stone, which then makes the shape in something else. Blackstone would still be selling the product of the spinner, but could they require you to buy a machine or a $1700 assembly? Trying to think of a similar example in retail, wasn't there something with Tuuk blade patents?

    As for the wearing of the spinners, I bet if you go across the wheel rather than straight at it, you can get a nice light touch on the wheel, similar to touching a skate to the wheel to get a witness mark.

    But it appears that NOBODY ever thought of changing the hollow concept that would give break through benefits to hockey players but Blackstone Sports. And their FBV concept obviously works very well. In my case none of my customers would go back (to traditional hollow) after having tried the FBV. IMHO, Blackstone sharpeners are the best.

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    Dear god they're going to make a fortune on that little piece of equipment.

    Yes, they certainly are going to make a fortune selling those at $1700! I wonder if a shop would be better off buying an X02 to use as a dedicated FBV machine.

    Not really in the long run. You can use the convertable Spinner system on machines with a bigger diameter grinding wheel than the X0-2 has. Translates into MANY more skates sharpened per grinding wheel either if you go with a regular spinner or the FBV.

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    I had four customers for the FBV sharpening this evening. Three of them drove from a city over 800 kilometers away from me and one for about a 1000 kilometers. The first three ones were not going to buy anything. Just sharpening. The fourth bought a jersey on top of sharpening. This is insane. I didn't have the heart to charge them for sharpening though.

    Of course I'm in Ukraine now...

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    ouch. sounds like blademaster is totally boned on this one....

    Blademaster has been the market leader for a long time. Now, Blackstone's FBV is a real break through within the past decades. Blademaster doesn't want to give in. So (IMO) they gotta try to come up with something in order not to continue losing their market share to Blackstone. And it may be very hard (to come up with something of their own). Hopefully, it all won't become nasty. Now Blackstone has the best competitive edge than ever (in addition to black color vs red :D , - the ceramic/teflon tabletop (Blademaster's responded with a granite tabletop (on their top end professional machinesonly), the Spinner, and then the FBV Spinner.

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