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Budro,There were a few posts earlier about this. Experience is a big help. Make sure that you are consistent each time with the holder, hand pressure, clamping position, etc, and make sure that there is nothing dirt, etc on the bottom of the felt on the holder. It is best to get the holder "dialed in" by using the two front dials. My experience using a square edge tool is that the front dials can be clicked 6 times to make up a one thousanths of an inch change in height of the edges. good luck. It gets much easier with more experience.
Thank you! So that being said, is it correct that the two outside dials should have to be minimally adjusted from pair to pair? Also, how often do you adjust your center dial? Sorry if this seems redundant, but your help is GREATLY appreciated!
Been mentioned before: don't play with the forward/back pitch dial, no real need to. Just leave it neutral. All seem to be getting better results that way.
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Was pleased to discover today that basically ALL Blackstone machines are available with the pure SPINNER option. That also means FBV, of course.
For those who are looking for other portable options with either regular Spinner or FBV, all these ones now available with the Spinner head as an option:
http://www.blackstonesport.com/portable_sk...ng_machines.php
The advantage - (except for the Classic one (FC-01 & FC-02), I believe) - you can do skate profiling (contouring/shaping) on them. Another advantage - on ALL these portables bigger diameter grinding wheels are used (translates into more skates sharpened per grinding wheel).
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I thought I had little final pass polishing probs on a Turbo Spinner with the Ruby wheel. I was wrong. Different lighting made it look that way. Tried the Ruby grinding wheel on 90/75 sharpening for the first time. The edges and glide were perefect. My stops too. I'm pretty much sure the FBV is here to stay.
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I can also say this to those of you that feel the need to resharpen more regularly with FBV, try using a stone on the edge first. Last week I felt I needed to sharpen and simply ran a stone to freshen the edge and they felt like new.Same thing I mentioned a week ago. Made a big difference for me as well. I held off putting the spare FBV-cut steel in for now after just using a stone. Before the stone I ran my fingernail down towards the bottom of each blade and could feel a small 'lip'. A couple easy passes with an Arkansas stone and it was gone. Didn't lose an edge at all after that. I plan to go into my 3rd game with them like this and evaluate afterwards. Not sure if I can make it through the next 3 or 4 weeks without changing them out, but I'd like to try it if possible.
And here is where the Miracle Stone kicks in (at least in my case). Works great with water.
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I KNOWIf I *knew* how to fix it, we wouldn't be having this issue. But I don't.
I sincerely have no intention to promote my site that is in Ukraine through a North American forum, but if this is going to be helpful to anyone, the catalogue could be seen here
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Did 90/75 for Team Ukraine Coach Alexander Savitskiyhttp://www.sokol.kiev.ua/page-id-3026.html
http://www.hockey.org.ua/Komanba/m513.htm
His feedback was "just incredible".
Team Ukraine head coach Dmitri Khristich (frmr. NHL player - Washington, Boston, Toronto, and LA) politely declined. The only reason he declined was his modesty. He had signed some jerseys for my friends in the States and didn't want me to feel obliged to him for doing that for me.
Added 01/31: Savitskiy called me today and said he never skated so fast in his life. He played in the Russian Superleague and for various West European teams (I believe in Sweden too).
Dmitry Khristich http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8448484
is on the FBV too now
And now he is coming back dragging friends-players with him
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Did 90/75 for Team Ukraine Coach Alexander Savitskiyhttp://www.sokol.kiev.ua/page-id-3026.html
http://www.hockey.org.ua/Komanba/m513.htm
His feedback was "just incredible".
Team Ukraine head coach Dmitri Khristich (frmr. NHL player - Washington, Boston, Toronto, and LA) politely declined. The only reason he declined was his modesty. He had signed some jerseys for my friends in the States and didn't want me to feel obliged to him for doing that for me.
Added 01/31: Savitskiy called me today and said he never skated so fast in his life. He played in the Russian Superleague and for various West European teams (I believe in Sweden too).
Dmitry Khristich http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockey...career.cgi?1077
is on the FBV too now
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In case anyone in the lower mainland is curious, I found out that the hockey shop in Surrey has the FBV. It's $10 though, which is twice the cost of their regular sharpenings.Well worth it if they know what they're doing. A combination of properly adjusted jig, and VERY light smooth Lube Tube /Fine Shine polishing final pass gives a perect result (at least in my case). Now doing skates for an NHLer and other pros.
A get a kick out of doing the FBV for customers now
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Well I finally skated with FBV last night. I normally skate on 7/8 or 15/16. The glide was improved a bit, not to noticable, but the bite I got was drastically improved, which allowed for better push offs and turning. I'm a believer. . . .You just wait... I mean skate. In other words, give it some time
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Ivan,I think I was generally exerting too much pressure so thank you for that tip. and for the video I was looking at this one... http://www.portableskatesharpener.com/blac...ning_video.html
it's on the main page showing the X02 model just at the right of the 1:46min video you've sent me. you'll see "click here to view our training video"
on this video the guy did say the final pass should be made in "half the speed of the regular passes" for myself I was captivated by what I saw at that moment so that I was pretty sure I had heard in "half the time of the regular passes" which would be a faster final pass. that's my mistake.
I was curious to what lead me to believe the final pass should be faster so I looked at this part of the video several times and I took some notes.
in the sharpening process segment the blade touches the disk for the 1st pass is done in 3.68secs
in the knowing when the blade is sharp segment the blade touches the disk for the 1st pass in 4.23secs 2nd pass 3.32secs 3rd pass 3.71secs.
in the final pass segment the blade touches the disk for 2.88secs
so on this video the final pass is actually faster then all the above previous passes. the narration doesn't match the example on this case.
the final pass on the video you're reffering to is done in 9.30secs.
as for the guy not looking at what he's doing video from TBLfan, he's done his last pass in 21.48secs.
Don't sweat it You will learn over time. You've got a great machine/technology.
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You need to do the final pass SLOWLY. Lube Tube/ Fine Shine polishes the blade.
To the best of my knowledge, the final pass on the video IS SLOW http://www.vimeo.com/1739055
Think polishing(not sharpening) when you're doing the final pass. VERY light and gentle pressure. And again, GO SLOW. Takes a little bit of time to get used to.
Good luck!
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Seem to be getting quite better finishing/polishing results by putting some Fine Shine on top of Lube Tube before final pass. Again, I am using a regular Turbo Spinner portable, not an X-01 or X0-2.With the regular (non-FBV) spinner dresser polishiing has never been a problem. Using the full size Black Walnut grinding wheel.
I've been getting a fantastic finish with the regular spinner on my X02 and the stock wheel. I did up some old tacks and the finish was stunning for a portable.
Yeah, with the regular spinner I get perfect finish even without Lube Tube or Fine Shine. With the FBV seem to be getting there too now.
I'm there now. Guess been lacking general sharpening experience. The finish on FBV is perfect now :D
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For those shops that have FBV...do you charge a premium for it...or the same as a 'regular' sharpen?It depends. Techically, I think you should, as the materials are expensive and it's a premium sharpening you're offerring (Mercedes vs. Chevrolet)
I do free sharpenings on occasions. The guy who got for first sharpening free is now paying me $7 per sharpening.
I always do it for free for friends, but that's another story.
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I just got a 100/75 put on my skates yesterday, and skated on them for an hour today at public skate. I was coming from a 7/16", and have tested everything from a 3/8" to a 3/4" ROH, before settling on the 7/16" ROH. I think the 100/75 definitely feels like a 3/8" or deeper, when stopping. Although the glide was noticeably smoother and faster, the 100/75 had way too much bite when stopping. I'll be skating on them again for another two hours on Saturday when I help coach my son's mite team, but I'm pretty sure I'll be going to a 90/75 for my next sharpening.Same feel for me - the 100/75 had way too much bite when stopping. Went to the 90/75 (new custom One95 (needed to get used to them alone). With a little bit of adjustment, usual boot break in and unlacing the top eyelet, skating feelt unreal at a drop in game earlier today. Sharpen my skates myself
Blackstone recommends the 90/75 FBV as a starting point.
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Any discounts on the x01 x02 or are you guys paying retail?Don't want to sound like a cheap skate (no pun intended) but almost a grand for a personal sharpening machine is a little above MY budget right now.
But I love new deveopment and FBV sounds so interesting - I just can't see driving all over to find FBV shops and couldn't get it at tourneys etc.
So I would get my kid hooked on FBV and then have to change back and forth every few sharpenings - seems like a good way to mess up his technique and go through blades (and genrally end up with crappy edges).
Any recommendations?
Worth every penny IMO
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Seem to be getting quite better finishing/polishing results by putting some Fine Shine on top of Lube Tube before final pass. Again, I am using a regular Turbo Spinner portable, not an X-01 or X0-2.With the regular (non-FBV) spinner dresser polishiing has never been a problem. Using the full size Black Walnut grinding wheel.
I've been getting a fantastic finish with the regular spinner on my X02 and the stock wheel. I did up some old tacks and the finish was stunning for a portable.
Yeah, with the regular spinner I get perfect finish even without Lube Tube or Fine Shine. With the FBV seem to be getting there too now.
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I would highly suggest if going from a regular hollow to the FBV you cross grind first (not a fan of cross grinding) but it seems to work the best to get the hollow in there properly.
I don't have the opportunity to cross grind before doing the FBV. So I do 1" hollow with a regular spinner and then do the desired FBV. Seems to work fine
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Seem to be getting quite better finishing/polishing results by putting some Fine Shine on top of Lube Tube before final pass. Again, I am using a regular Turbo Spinner portable, not an X-01 or X0-2.
With the regular (non-FBV) spinner dresser polishiing has never been a problem. Using the full size Black Walnut grinding wheel.
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Did 90/75 for Team Ukraine Coach Alexander Savitskiy
http://www.sokol.kiev.ua/page-id-3026.html
http://www.hockey.org.ua/Komanba/m513.htm
His feedback was "just incredible".
Team Ukraine head coach Dmitri Khristich (frmr. NHL player - Washington, Boston, Toronto, and LA) politely declined. The only reason he declined was his modesty. He had signed some jerseys for my friends in the States and didn't want me to feel obliged to him for doing that for me.
Added 01/31: Savitskiy called me today and said he never skated so fast in his life. He played in the Russian Superleague and for various West European teams (I believe in Sweden too).
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It took FOREVER to get the Lube Tube working. changed the dauber a few times. Had to smack it a bunch to get even a drop on the blade. Finish is MUCH better now.Lube Tube or Fine Shine?
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Don't worry guys this is the part that sepperates skate sharpeners. stop using the back pitch knob and just use the two front adjustment knobs to make the holder go up and down. Another tip is the center of the wheel is not necessarily what you are lining up to. You need to line up to the apex of the radius of the dresser. The only way to do this is to sharpen the skate use the guage that tells you how much your off or on, and make the appropriate adjustments. It is a learning curve and it won't take long before you are doing it in your sleep.Finding this to be very true. Been experimenting with a pair of lower end skates from my stock before sharpening my One95s. Played a drop in game earlier today on 90/75, WOW! The difference is VERY noticeable.
Quite pleased with my sharpening skills too. On my sharpener it's easy. The only thing that seems to remain to to be worked on is the final polishing pass with either Lube Tube or Fine Shine. Visually it looks like I'm getting better polishing results with regular spinners. Actually, with regular spinners polishing seems to be perfect. But I've been using only one kind of grinding wheel (I have a regular portable spinner sharpener,(not X0-1 or X0-2). The grinding wheel I'm using is Blackstone Black Walnut. Maybe I should play with other wheels. Any advice here Steve?
Thanks
Now seem to be getting better results with Lube Tube. Nice mirror finish and excellent glude and cornering.
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Don't worry guys this is the part that sepperates skate sharpeners. stop using the back pitch knob and just use the two front adjustment knobs to make the holder go up and down. Another tip is the center of the wheel is not necessarily what you are lining up to. You need to line up to the apex of the radius of the dresser. The only way to do this is to sharpen the skate use the guage that tells you how much your off or on, and make the appropriate adjustments. It is a learning curve and it won't take long before you are doing it in your sleep.Finding this to be very true. Been experimenting with a pair of lower end skates from my stock before sharpening my One95s. Played a drop in game earlier today on 90/75, WOW! The difference is VERY noticeable.
Quite pleased with my sharpening skills too. On my sharpener it's easy. The only thing that seems to remain to to be worked on is the final polishing pass with either Lube Tube or Fine Shine. Visually it looks like I'm getting better polishing results with regular spinners. Actually, with regular spinners polishing seems to be perfect. But I've been using only one kind of grinding wheel (I have a regular portable spinner sharpener,(not X0-1 or X0-2). The grinding wheel I'm using is Blackstone Black Walnut. Maybe I should play with other wheels. Any advice here Steve?
Thanks
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Is it a conventional Blackstone?No Spinner = no FBV
True.
I get calls from folks telling me someone told them I have a laser sharpener. I mainly sharpen new skates bought from me because of lack of time. So I have to telll them , it's actually a quantum sharpener:)
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The FBV really is incredable. SAK can confirm how dissapointed I was withthe original spinner system to the point that I ordered the diamond dresser
system to replace the spinner on our stealth. Steve talked me into trying
the FBV before switching, thank god. We do on average 300 pr a week and
our serious hockey customers just love the FBV. We have the number 1 rated
cjahl team in the country, salmon arm silverbacks, and they love this sharpening.
Thank you Blackstone for making my job so much more enjoyable.
What hollow FBVs did you get and and which ones you use most?
Thanks
100-75 is the most popular by far Ivan
Appreciate it, Cano!
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Kinda cool - more FBV options for professional Blackstone machines http://blackstonesport.com/products.cfm?category_id=18