...oh well ....I was as psyched as you to get those skates to test ...but after having done so I'm down to earth again !! I had absolutely no reason to invest in new skates . as my 2 pairs of S 17 's served me well without any issues ...until I decided last year to follow the description of one mail sharpening business regarding custom profiling ....I filled out the questionnaire and , stupid me , sent all 3 sets of steel I had to be profiled .....without actually knowing what ( in numbers ) was being done to them . I expected like miracles upon reception but my skating has suffered since then and I did not exactly know why ! .....well , after trying mako and mako II and assuming they'd fit like the S17 plus all the positive hype of about 80plus Msh pages I pulled the trigger and ordered a M8 in 8,5EE ...as I was told by the national distributor that my size mako II was nationwide sold out till march 15 and the M8 would fit the same ... ...so far on theory ....trying makos and makos II I felt like 8,5 was plenty long enough , even 8 should do after baking , but the M8 in 8,5 felt too short ...trying ultra thin easton socks vs my regular hanes crews helped marginally , but not enough! being stubborn i tried them on ice but it was too much of a difference .....I felt ultra agile , the pitch difference didn't bother me , but I lacked stability , plus my feet hurt due to the shortness and feeling flat footed with the so called ortholite foootbed ...which is imho nothing more than an undefined, shapeless piece of recycled yoguhrt cup. I have received some blackedge steel for the S17 that I sharpened today and which I will try tomorrow to see if this helps .... I appreciate any input as : -what radius is stock S 17 steel vs mako steel ?? -what radius is balckedge steel ? -what are the differences M8 and mako ?? M8 padding felt very thin !! ...heel lock not sufficient. -recommendadion for other skates coming from S 17 .....having a thin ankle and wide forefoot !! - general thoughts about the issue !! thx alot !!