cardinalhcky26 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 I have to write an essay about he n.h.l lockout I found some inf but its not enough can you please give me some info or a place that has alot of info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogie Oglethorpe 14 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 I wrote a grad school paper on the feasibility of the WHA. It probably has some stuff that's worth a gander. Here's the references from the paper:5 Allen, Kevin (2001, August 22). Rising salaries worry NHL. USA Today. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=17(Anonymous, 2002). The History of the World Hockey Association. The Official Website of the World Hockey Association. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/history.htm (Anonymous, 2003, April 15). Revived league will try to vie with NHL. Fort Myers News-press. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=21 6 (Anonymous, 2003, April 22). WHA unveils game plan. The Official Website of the World Hockey Association. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=14(Anonymous, 2003, July 16). WHA2 to hit Canada in 2004-05. . The Official Website of the World Hockey Association. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=41 (Anonymous, 2003, July 17). Bobby Hull joins WHA as Commissioner. Canadian Press. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=35(Anonymous, 2003, September 12). Bruins owner: Ticket prices too high. Associated Press. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=53683&hubName=nhl (Anonymous, 2003, September 15). NHLPA president Linden optimistic work stoppage can be avoided. Associated Press. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-n...ov=ap&type-lgns (Anonymous, 2003, September 15). Some vets still waiting for phone to ring. Canadian Press. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=54020&hubName=NHL 1 (Anonymous, 2003, September 19). NHL facing record financial losses. Associated Press. Retrieved September 19, 2003, from http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-n...ov=ap&type-lgns (Anonymous, 2003, September 23). Hull: Lockout all but certain. Canadian Press.Retrieved September 23, 2003, from http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=54915&hubName=NHL Arango, Tim (2003, April 7). NHL on thin ice: 1/3 of teams for sale amid expansion, high costs. New York Post. Retrieved September 25,2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=24Duff, Bob (2003). How to Help Hockey. NBCSports.com. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://www.msnbc.com/news/967918.aspDurrett, Richard, Heika, Mike (2003, May 13). Labor concerns shouldn’t throw Stars offCup course. The Dallas Morning News. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://www.dallasnews.com/newsletters/emai...r.114a2d2c.htmlGriffin, Monique (2003, April 13). WHA: Part 2 and the WHA2. OrlandoSealsHockey.com. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://www.orlandosealshockey.com/news/apr...0the%20WHA2.htmHeika, Mike (2003, August 23). Thirty years later, Hull is face of WHA again. The Dallas Morning News. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/da...eika.580fe.htmlHeika, Mike (2003, August 26). Like Father… Like Son!!!. The Dallas Morning News.Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=48Heika, Mike (2003, September 14). About the collective bargaining agreement. The Dallas Morning News. Page 20C Heika, Mike (2003, September 14). Five things owners want in the next agreement. The Dallas Morning News. Page 20C 2 Heika, Mike (2003, September 14). Locked out? The Dallas Morning News. Page 20C4 Hradek, E.J. (2003, September 29). Hockey’s Future. ESPN, The Magazine. Pages 76-77LeBrun, Pierre (2003, July 16). Believe it or not but the new WHA slated to begin play in 2004-05!. Yahoo Sports, Canada. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/030716/6/tx4y.htmlO’Connor, Michael (2003, September 10). Camp Counseling from O’Connell. The Boston Herald. Retrieved September 10, 2003, from http://www2.bostonherald.com/sport/bruins/qna09102003.htm3 Thorne, Gary (2003, January 21). Subtle communications prevailing in NHL’s labor issues. USA Today. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/colu...21-thorne_x.htmWesthead, Rick (2003, March 26). Few bidders as NHL labour woes loom. Toronto Star. Retrieved September 17, 2003, from http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/pres....asp?PressID=25Yorio, Kara (2003, August 12). Looking for NHL alternative? Spell it ‘WHA’. Sporting News.com. Retrieved September 25, 2003, from http://i.tsn.com/voices/kara_yorio/20030812.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogie Oglethorpe 14 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 Here's a rough outline quoting some of the stuff from the above references to get your ball rolling too:OUTLINE:DOC 1· When WHA played NHL in exhibition games, the WHA beat the NHL 33 times, lost 27, and tied 7 DOC 1o Use as argument about the WHA being inferior to that of the NHL – tie back to comment that will take a few years to get up to NHL level play DOC 1· Mentions how commissioner Hull was the first pro hockey player to get a 7 figure salary when he signed in 1972 DOC 1· Lured/stole many NHL players by offering large $$ contracts DOC 1· Talks about how it instilled free agency DOC 1o Point out irony that: DOC 1§ Many argue the free agency prices are what’s ruining hockey DOC 1§ Bobby Hull now combating the escalating salaries when he may have started the big salary push DOC 1§ Compounded by the WHA luring NHLers away by using big $$ DOC 1DOC 2· Bobby Hull talks about his strong dislike for defensive hockey and how it’s ruining the NHL DOC 2o Use as fuel to fire that he will battle trap hockey – win fans over DOC 2· Brett Hull says the NHLPA will NOT accept a salary cap in the upcoming labor negotiations, and says he himself would like to play another 2 years DOC 2o Brett Hull also says that he’d like to get 800 goals in the NHL (at the time of comment, he had 716) but is at the mercy of the NHL and a potential labor stoppage DOC 2o This hints at the possibility of his playing in the WHA to give it some name recognition value DOC 2DOC 3· Boston Bruins owner says ticket prices are too high DOC 3o Symptom of the high player salaries – says every dollar gained by increasing ticket prices more than $2 is spent on player salaries DOC 3· However, B’s most expensive ticket prices one of the lowest in the league @ $99 DOC 3· Says need to reach agreement to stabilize ticket prices and perhaps even lower it to gain back it’s dwindling fan base. DOC 3· Bob Goodenow, NHLPA’s executive director, says the union will not accept a hard salary cap and warns players that an impasse may occur that leaves players out longer than one season DOC 3o Support that hold out is a likelihood DOC 3· Bettman slow to use the term salary cap, says prefers terminology “cost-certaintyâ€. Jacobs says cap necessary to curb financial problems DOC 3DOC 4· Long range plan to have each northern team make one trip to play a handful of games against southern teams (and vice versa). DOC 4o This, coupled with only having 12 teams, means that the north/south will play more games against teams in it’s own conference, increasing rivalry which equates into fan excitement and sales. DOC 4· WHA2 to act as feeder league for the WHA DOC 4o Putting framework in place for place to develop talent to bring up to higher game level DOC 4DOC 5· Few bidders to get NHL TV contract DOC 5· 5 years ago, NHL signed a 5 year $600 million deal with Walt Disney’s ABC and ESPN. DOC 5o This equates to each team getting about $7.5 mil each from TV revenue DOC 5o This represented a large increase over it’s previous NHL deal with Fox that was for $155 mil for the same 5 year length of period DOC 5· Theorizes that the threat of the stoppage of play is really hurting it’s chances on signing a new TV deal DOC 5o Also says that hockey just doesn’t have a large TV audience and doesn’t televise well. DOC 5o Disney’s investment bank Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. estimates will lose $360 mil overall in it’s $600 mil deal with the NHL DOC 5· Although, it does say that the NHL deal did help get ESPN2 off the ground DOC 5· Says hockey was it’s cornerstone DOC 5· Talks about ESPN getting about $2bil a year in subscriber fees (cable, dish) and hockey comprises 20% of their schedule. So, there IS a market on TV for it. DOC 5· ABC regular season and play off viewing up from 2.8 million in 2000-2001 to 3.1 million in 2001-2002. DOC 5· Still, this down from 3.3 million in 1999-2000 DOC 5DOC 6· QUOTE (Bettman): Our revenue picture is very bright – the best of times. At the same time – the worst of times – the players’ salaries have increased during the same period at an even faster rate†DOC 6· Bettman said over the last 9 years revenue increased 117%. However, during that same time salaries increased 240% DOC 6o Equates to increased ticket prices DOC 6· Bettman hints at some form of salary control (likely a cap) DOC 6· Bankruptcy talk about 2 NHL teams (Ottawa Senators and Buffalo Sabres in 2002-2003 season) DOC 6· LA Kings reply to Forbes magazine article that said it made $7 mil last year DOC 6o Kings say actually lost $6.5 and blamed the salaries DOC 6· Kings Player Mattias Norstrom says it’s in the players hands and acknowledges that they’re the ones killing the sport that can’t afford those salaries. DOC 6o Dman Schnieder says back that it’s just part of the negotiations and that he’d be surprised if they were really losing money. Suspects it’s posing as a bargaining chip. DOC 6· NHLPA Goodenow says it’s not surprising that the league and the commissioner would try to convince the public that the bankruptcy filings are directly related to the CBA to cover up the real caus – bad business decisions and personal situations of it’s owners. DOC 6o Great example of how far apart they are DOC 6· Ted Leonsis (AOL exec, as well as NHL team owner) says that if the league gets shut down it has a negative toll on the customer (points out MLB as an example). DOC 6DOC 7· WHA, gone since 1979, will be resuscitated by a group of Canadian Businessmen in attempt to rival the NHL starting 2004-05 DOC 7o Conflicting message – are they going head to head with the NHL or not? DOC 7DOC 8· (from dif press release) WHA requires owners to have arena that seats no fewer than 13,000 people DOC 8· QUOTE “We don’t want to be in competition with the NHL,†Hull, 64, said during a conference call. “We just want to be ready in 2004 to give the fan an alternative, exciting hockey at a reasonable price.†DOC 8· QUOTE†“Why would there be a risk when we are doing something for the real hockey fan?†said hull. “We want to bring families back to the game and give them a night of great entertainment.†DOC 8· Hull talks about removing the center ice line to help speed the game up and combat the neutral zone trap. Also wants the size of goalie equipment cut down. DOC 8· QUOTE: “I’d like to think that we’re innovators, leaders not followers,†he said “Instead of talking about rule changes, we’re going to MAKE rule changes, and we’re going to make sure the people in the stands see entertainment instead of clutching and grabbing and checking from the rear.†DOC 8· The old WHA ran from 1972 to 1979 before four of it’s teams – Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford – were accepted into the NHL. DOC 8DOC 9· From 08/2001 – talks about the rising salaries causing concerns (mentions the then average was $1.5mil) DOC 9o Debates if the league can support these salaries DOC 9· Says that the 2001 payrolls are believed to be at 60-70% of the league revenue, a figure that is likely to rise with lucrative FA signings. DOC 9· Agent Bob Murray believes the talk about the financial woes is just sabers rattling. QUOTE†“This is just saber-rattling,†agent Bob Murray said, “The people who own these teams aren’t stupid. They didn’t get to the business position they are in by being dumb. If they are willing to pay these salaries, there are financial reasons why.†DOC 9o More demonstration of the difference between the two sides, further enforcing the likelihood of a holdout. DOC 9· The NHL’s $600mil TV deal doesn’t come close to that of other sports. Florida Panthers Owner speculates the difference will have to be made by increasing ticket prices. DOC 9· Arbitration – meant to help settle differences between restricted free agents and teams – not working out the way it was meant to. DOC 9· Agent Jay Fee QUOTE: “I think the players know they have to be prepared for a work stoppage,†agent Jay Fee said. “I think players are all smartly preparing for that.†DOC 9· Talks about mgmt’s problems being that it doesn’t have the revenue to support an average salary of $1.5 mil (that has increased since 2001) and there’s a widening gap between top spending teams and smaller payroll teams. DOC 9· Agent Jay Fee talks about how FA Yanic Perrault, who was slotted as a potential $2mil FA, got $2.8 because of the natural competition driving the price up. DOC 9· QUOTE: “I’m sick of people talking about Armageddon and the game will be destroyed and no one doing a darn thing about it,†agent Rich Winter said. “The Players Association is just telling us to save our money, and if the NHL is having the economic difficulty that they say they are, why haven’t we got a single proposal out of Commissioner Gary Bettman?†DOC 9o Further proof on the distance between sides DOC 9DOC 10· WHA Hopes to starts 2004-05 season with 12 teams, and expand by 6 European leagues in the 2005-06 season. DOC 10o NHL has talked about this for a while, but never acted. DOC 10o Would make the WHA the first truly international league DOC 10· Further WHA innovation DOC 10· Targeting cities that have large capacity arenas not presently being used in the NHL DOC 10· WHA promises that their salary cap structure will provide a sound economic model for pro hockey in this decade. However, each team will be allowed to exceed the salary cap for one “Franchise†free agent player (that does not count against the cap). DOC 10· Formed a feeder league, the WHA2 (much like the AHL is a feeder/minor league for the NHL) DOC 10DOC 11· Bobby Hull surmises that the NHL will shut down for at least a year as a result of not being able to come to terms. DOC 11· Mentions Hull is the first player to have gotten a million dollar contract in, ironically, the first WHA. DOC 11· QUOTE: “The NHL is going to need a salary cap, they’re going to need restructuring, they’re going to need profit sharing. That’s not going to take place between now and September of 2004. The kids don’t want a salary cap and the owners say that’s fine. They’ll lock the doors.†DOC 11· Says the WHA is hoping to take advantage of the lock out to get it’s feet under them. May even target some popular hockey cities with arena capacity (such as Dallas with Reunion Arena) because of the potential canceled NHL seasons. DOC 11o QUOTE: “We’re not afraid to go there because there are not going to be any NHL teams in those places for a couple of years†says Hull. DOC 11· Washington State University economist Ron Fort says NHL labor disruption could create a short term opportunity for a new league: DOC 11o Does say it is likely to fail unless finds hockey hotbeds that “do not have the best caliber of hockey they can afford.†DOC 11o Fort says the NHL is “The most extended and expanded professional league sin sports†DOC 11· Hull was the first big steal of the WHA from the NHL when the Winnepeg Jets signed him away from the NHL’s Chicago Blackhawks in 1972 for the first 7 figure hockey contract. DOC 11o Happened once before – will it happen again? DOC 11o Economist Fort doubts they’ll steal players from the NHL again. DOC 11DOC 12· NHL on thin ice: 1/3 of teams for sale amid expansion and high costs DOC 12· At least 10 of the 30 NHL teams are on the block. Critics say this is a symptom of the troubled times (over expansion and uncertain labor situation). DOC 12· League added 9 teams in the 1990’s (4 of which are now for sale) DOC 12· Figure the difficulty in selling the teams may have to do with the likelihood of a costly hold out DOC 12o Mentions that owners feel a cap is needed DOC 12· Gives example of last year’s Eastern Champs Senators compiled $225 mil in debt and how it was forced to file bankruptcy protection in 2002-03. DOC 12DOC 13· Talks about the things the WHA is discussing to improve it’s game product over that of the NHL DOC 13o Remove the center ice line DOC 13o Increase the ice surface to that of international size DOC 13§ Toronto firm looking into the cost of increasing the typical NHL rink size to Olympic DOC 13o Euro league competition DOC 13o AFFORDABLE ticket prices DOC 13o (does mention that none of these things are definite yet) DOC 13· Mentions how the WHA hopes to capitalize on the NHL work stoppage, but says is ready to go ahead even if they don’t have one so long as it has at least 8 teams (hopes for 12). Only 2 have confirmed thus far, but as many as 7 are on the hook unofficially. DOC 13o Does say some of the WHA2 feeder teams could move up if good enough. DOC 13· Also says the Euro league got so much response they may start it up a year earlier than anticipated. DOC 13o This may be way to get NHL’rs into the WHA – those Euro’s who would prefer to go home to play during the NHL hold out DOC 13o Also speculates the Olympic style ice could lure Euro’s as well. DOC 13· Al Howell, co-developer of the reborn WHA, believes the stoppage will last from 18 to 24 months. DOC 13o Good way to grab aging NHL’rs who want to play a few more years but due to age can’t wait out the strike. DOC 13· Howel says the WHA won’t be up to NHL par level of play for a couple of years. DOC 13o Goes against those saying that the WHA won’t compete directly against the NHL DOC 13· Howel projects ticket prices to be $8 (cheapest) and $40 (most expensive) DOC 13DOC 14· Talks about the WHA2 as the feeder league for the WHA DOC 14· Says WHA won’t necessarily be in competition with the NHL this time around. DOC 14· Does say will play in some NHL cities, but not NHL buildings. DOC 14· Speculates that after the cap there will be some players who were making $7-9 mil who will be making $2-3 in the new reality of post CBA agreement DOC 14o Theorizes that some of these players might go to the WHA as the “marquee†exception for a chance to make $4 mil. Attractive alternative especially to those finishing out their careers. DOC 14· Says part of WHA agreement is that you have to operate a WHA2 franchise DOC 14o Is looking ahead in helping sustain teams by building it’s future players. DOC 14DOC 15· Talks of how to help hockey DOC 151. Crackdown on obstruction DOC 15o This is a goal of the WHA, increased ice size, removal of the redline DOC 152. New CBA and TV deal DOC 15o Says labor stoppage will hurt the fan base DOC 15o Quotes former NHLer Dave Schutlze in saying there’s not one person who thinks there will NOT be a labor stoppage DOC 15o The CBA ends at the same time their TV deal ends. Makes signing a new one that much harder. DOC 15o Points out that the NHL isn’t popular enough to be on par with the other 3 major sports. Salaries have to come down in order to enable the lowering of ticket prices. Says this will bring fans back. QUOTE: “he same upper bowl seats in Boston’s FleetCenter costs $10 for a Celtics game but $50 for a Bruins gameâ€. Surmises lowering ticket prices will help bring the families back. DOC 153. CONTRACTION DOC 15o Too many teams. Strains the talent pool available. Reduces rivalries. DOC 15· WHA targets 12 teams which should help the rivalry DOC 154. Full 2 minute power plays DOC 155. Shrink goalie pads, allow any curvature of the stick DOC 15o Smaller goalie equipment is one of the WHA targets. Theory is that it will increase scoring, and thus, excitement for the game. DOC 15o Curvature of the stick rule is interesting as it was Bobby Hull (along with Stan Mikita) who popularized this in the late 60’s. Makes it easier to lift the puck and get more velocity. Put limit on curve to protect goalies, but now with new equipment perhaps is not as necessary. DOC 156. In with the shootout DOC 157. Return to one referee DOC 158. Enlarge the ice surface DOC 15o Says will allow more room for players to showcase skills and hurt obstruction. DOC 15· This is one of the WHA’s goals and is trying to get Olympic sized ice. DOC 159. Make Brett Hull Commish DOC 15o Outspoken on what’s wrong with the game and how to fix it. DOC 15· Might be a natural fit in the WHA system DOC 1510. Do nothing radical DOC 15o Talks about moving the nets to make more room in the offensive zone and less room for the goalies to roam and less room for obstruction to take place. DOC 15· This would be achieved by Olympic ice as well DOC 15o Talks about enforcing laws already in place to help reduce obstrution DOC 15· Bobby Hull adamant that rules are to be enforced to do this in the WHA. DOC 15DOC 16· 12 teams, $10 mil cap, one exception “marquee player†not counted against cap DOC 16· 07/16/03 only two teams confirmed (Minnesota and Phoenix) DOC 16o Talks about other targeted cities DOC 16· Al Howell adamant that the WHA is not a glorified IHL (which folded 2 years ago) DOC 16· Howell says biggest ally is the looming player strike/hold out. Says will last 18 to 24 months in his estimation. DOC 16· QUOTE: “Our business plan shows that we’re moving ahead in 12 cities regardless of what happens,†Howell said.†If, in fact, we’re correct (about a prolonged NHL labor war), it’s simple a big bonus for us.†DOC 16· Talks about the WHA running from 1972 to 1979 and of it’s teams getting swallowed by the NHL (Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford). DOC 16· QUES: Where will he get the talent? QUOTE “If, in fact, we’re correct about the two-year (NHL) lockout, there’s going to be two years worth of kids coming out of juniors with no place to play,†Howell continues. “ And we think that anyone that’s 30 years or older will also be looking for opportunities and other places to play.†DOC 16· Talks more on how post CBA the money won’t be there in the abundance it was before, and some aging players might find it attractive to play in the WHA as marquee player exclusion. DOC 16o Says LA franchise is interested in getting Brett Hull DOC 16· ARENAS – Howell says there are a number of NBA teams that own their barn outright and don’t share the expenses with another tenant/NHL team. Gives Miami Heat as an example – the Panthers play in a different arena 40 miles away. The Heat built theirs in downtown Miami. They could adapt their arena for a hockey team and help reduce the burden of the debt. Says this is the way it is across many places in America. DOC 16· Talks about the minimum net worth needing to be $100mil of an owner to assure stability. If can’t get at least 8 (hoping for 12) won’t go ahead with the WHA. DOC 16DOC 17· Says WHA will concentrate on reasonable prices and wide open hockey DOC 17· QUOTE “We want it to be just like in the old days, where the skill players were allowed to use their skill,†said Hull, “We want the smaller players, like the Stan Mikitas, to be able to flourish in this league. We don’t want those players bogged down by all the clutching and grabbing.†DOC 17· Hull speculates the WHA will fill a niche somewhere between the minor league AHL and the NHL. DOC 17o So is, or is not, going head to head with the NHL DOC 17· Hull said will try to avoid going head to head in a city that already has an AHL team because the fan base is too similar. But, will go head to head in a few NHL cities. DOC 17· Hull speculates how great it’d be if Brett Hull and Chris Chelios could finish their careers in the city that spawned their popularity. Figures that if a strike happens, the WHA is a way to make this happen for them. DOC 17· Talks about the timing of the start of the new league is at the same time the CBA expires and potential work stoppage is to begin. Talks about aging UFA’s will be approached by the WHA and the hold out will make it more attractive for them to play there (but will approach them either way). DOC 17DOC 18· Vet’s waiting for the phone to ring DOC 18o Some of the aging 35+ers could be good targets for WHA, great name recognition. DOC 18· Some of the names still unsigned: Adam Graves, Steve Thomas, Cliff Ronning, Adam Oates, Phil Housley, Ulf Dahlen, Igor Kravchuk, Bill Houlder, Rob Ray, Sylvain Lefebvre, Paul Ranheim, Shjon Pedein DOC 18· All 35+ and want to squeeze out some more hockey in their careers DOC 18· Budget constraints and looming CBA has them not fielding the same number of calls as they did a few years ago. DOC 18DOC 19· NHLPA president Trevor Linden hopeful that a strike won’t happen, but admits it’s a possibility DOC 19· Since the 1994-95 season started (when the current CBA went into effect) the average salaries have risen from $733k to $1.79mil in 2002-03 DOC 19· Linden says the vets still waiting for contracts are proof the system works. DOC 19o This is short sited. They aren’t getting calls due to the uncertainty of the cap and WERE signed for big dollars just last season. DOC 19· Linden feels that to set artificial ceilings takes the integrity out of the system for the players (to make good money). DOC 19o Proof that the NHLPA is against a cap as it will likely reduce the amount of money a player can command on the open market. Also demonstrates the difference in how seriously the situation is viewed by the two sides. DOC 19DOC 20· NHL facing record losses. DOC 20· Losses of nearly $300mil reported in 2002-03 league wide DOC 20o This is a 35% increase from the $218 mil it lost the year before DOC 20· Losses are blamed on the rising salaries DOC 20· NHL says it spent 76% of it’s $1.93 billion in revenue on salaries and players benefits alone. This is a greater percentage that in the NBA, NHL, or MLB. DOC 20o Each of those have much more lucrative TV revenues DOC 20· NHL locked players out for 103 days in 1994 the last time there was a CBA agreement that had to be hammered out. DOC 20DOC 21· Goes over reasons why a hard salary cap won’t likely happen DOC 21o All current/old contracts would still have to be offered DOC 21o Likely will be a luxury tax verses hard cap DOC 21§ Stars, Red Wings, Rangers, Avalanche, Blues all have $40 mil tied up past 2004 in 10 players or less. DOC 21· Can’t cut rosters to 10 players DOC 21· Can’t force other teams to take on the heavy contract DOC 21DOC 22· Talks about Bruins attendance and TV numbers being down DOC 22· O’Connell QUOTE “But I think we have an exciting product. But it is an expensive product. We understand that, and hopefully, with a new collective bargaining agreement, if everyone can benefit from it, owners, players, and fans, it would be nice to make it a little more affordable for everyone.†DOC 221. Asked if this includes ticket prices. Answer was that it’s unknown if it would because of the uncertainty of the economic environment post cap DOC 22DOC 23 (newspaper clipping)· Current CBA signed Jan 13 1995. Expires Sept 15 2004. League has the option of continuing to operate under the current CBA and must alert the NHLPA in writing by May 18 2004 IF IT IS CHOOSING TO END THE AGREEMENT. DOC 23· NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow has been in place since 1991 seen (average) salaries grown more than 600 percent in his term. DOC 23· EXAMPLE OF PROBLEMS: Rookie salary cap was put in place to keep rookies from earning more than $1mil. Someone found a loophole to create bonuses in such a way as that can be up to $4mil. DOC 23· 5 things owners want in next agreement DOC 231. SALARY CAP DOC 23o Already proposed by WHA DOC 232. ROOKIE SALARY CONSTRAINTS DOC 233. TOUGHER ARBITRATION DOC 23o RFA was supposed to keep salaries down. Instead, by offering a 10% raise qualifying offer they can retain the services. However, arbitrators are often coming up with numbers between what the player wants and the 10% offer, ratcheting the salaries up far higher than was intended. DOC 234. NON-GUARANTEED CONTRACTS DOC 23o Lower buy out from 66% to 33% DOC 23o Allowed to cut outright DOC 235. REDUCE ROSTER SIZE DOC 23o Fewer players mean less payroll. The WHA has mentioned it might consider a 4 on 4 environment to this end. DOC 23· The players said for years that losses were falsely inflated. Kings opened their books for season ticket holder and accountant Philip Proper. Proper announced that his findings showed the Kings had lost $11.3 mil in the 2001-02 season and projected losses of $12.5 mil in 2002-03. Proper said that Kings had lost $108 mil since 1995 DOC 23· Has graph showing average salaries on the rise: DOC 23o 1992-93, $572,000 DOC 23o 1993-94, $733,000 DOC 23o 1994-95, $756,000 DOC 23o 1995-96, $900,000 DOC 23o 1996-97, $1.07mil DOC 23o 1997-98, $1.15mil DOC 23o 1998-99, $1.19mil DOC 23o 1999-2000, $1.24mil DOC 23o 2000-01, $1.36mil DOC 23o 2001-02, $1.64mil DOC 23o 2002-03, $1.79mil DOC 23NOTE: NHLPA Salaries for 2002-03 by team (as of Feb 03) were as follows (this isn’t in the article, but will be good for comparing against $10mil cap in WHA)· In 2002-03 the 30 team salaries ranged from $20.7 mil to 70.7mil, with the average team salary at $42.3mil· In 2001-02 the 30 teams salaries ranged from $16.8mil to $64.4mil, with the average team salary at $37.3milo Represents a 14% increase in team salary average from 2001-02 to 2002-03 aloneDOC 24 (ESPN magazine article) DOC 24· In 1991, when Goodenow, was hired, average salary was $271,000. Now it’s $1.79mil. That’s higher than the average in the NFL ($1.25mil) which generates far more revenue. DOC 24· League claims it’s spending $2.14 in salary for every new dollar in revenue earned. DOC 24· The NHL’s TV contract with ABC/ESPN expires at the end of 2003-04. DOC 24o Labor holdout is creating problems getting a new TV contract. DOC 24o Hockey’s TV contract not as other sports. Gives example of NFL which each team gets approx $77 mil from TV revenue, compared to $4mil for each NHL team. DOC 24· Suspects that if a lock out happens, many Euro players will return to Europe in their local pro teams until is resolved. Some may never come back. Also spells the end of careers for older players who can’t wait out the lockout. DOC 24o Good “in†for WHA DOC 24· Gary Bettman says league DEPENDS on instilling a “cost certainty†(basically, a cap). Goodenow says, however, it will never accept a cap DOC 24o Most distance between the two camps DOC 24· In 1994-95 the CBA caused a lockout which meant a loss of half of the season. DOC 24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modo22 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 what year was this Ogie? Where/What are you going to Grad School for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 Yeah, it's tough to find information on the lockout. It's also hard to find water at the beach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogie Oglethorpe 14 Report post Posted May 18, 2005 what year was this Ogie? Where/What are you going to Grad School for? That was stuff from approx Oct2003. Not quite 2 years old yet. It was part of a Business Research class (I chose the WHA as the topic - they'd just announced that they were making a come back... of course, it was followed by an announcement of a delay, then a cancellation, then a come back, then a delay then....)I'm just now finishing up my MBA.Yeah, it's tough to find information on the lockout. It's also hard to find water at the beach. LOL.... but Chippa does have a point. Since the lock out, there's a TON of stuff on the net available. I'd start with the WHA web site. They have a ton of NHL documents talking about the NHL and it's problems as a soft sell on why the WHA will work this time.But, regardless, there are a ton of doc's out there. You can easily write 4 pages on the finance part alone (compare the NHL ave salary to that of other major sports, NHL guaranteed contracts to NFL's non-guaranteed, NHL TV Revenue to NFL's, etc.). Slam dunk. You won't want for information for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this guy 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 Yeah, it's tough to find information on the lockout. It's also hard to find water at the beach. You have to take it easy with these Cardinalhcky kids. By easy I mean VERY patient because they are not too smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rausch27 1 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 isnt that the truth :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael9 57 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 Yeah, it's tough to find information on the lockout. It's also hard to find water at the beach. You have to take it easy with these Cardinalhcky kids. By easy I mean VERY patient because they are not too smart. how many are ther on this board?? 3 or 4 lol :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 I think in this post we found out they are the same person....if thats what an IP adress means http://www.modsquadhockey.com/index.php?sh...same+ip+address Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael9 57 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 lol :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this guy 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 Seriously how hard is it to find info on the lockout? They have to be the dumbest poeple on the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 ok guys, enough abuse. You've had your fun, now move along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cardinalhcky26 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2005 No my names joey the other cardinal is ben and i havent posted somthing or even been on this site for a month and i havent posted anything for this reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
