Roenick - "We've agreed to some kind of deal."

[Fletch 219]

He says it's a terrible deal for the players and a great deal for the owners, and it's all about getting the game back on the ice for the fans.

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/m...205-roenick.wmv

[EBondo 233]

I'll believe it when I hear the details..."terrible for the players, good for the owners"...I just can't buy it as of now

[Eazy_b97 1]

You can't buy that there is a deal in place? or that when there is one it will be heavily favoured to the owners compared to the last CBA?

[chippa13 1844]

I'll believe it when I hear the details..."terrible for the players, good for the owners"...I just can't buy it as of now

Yup, so terrible to play a game for an average salary of over $1 million. Wow, poor guys.

[sniper94 0]

Since when does JR say enything that makes sense?

Remember when he yelled at the ref for a call when it was his own teammates stick! :lol:

"It is better to close your mouth and look like a fool, then to open your mouth and show yourself to be one."

Jeremy are you listening?.........

[Eazy_b97 1]

I'll believe it when I hear the details..."terrible for the players, good for the owners"...I just can't buy it as of now

Yup, so terrible to play a game for an average salary of over $1 million. Wow, poor guys.

It goes beyond that though. They are cutting salaries by 24%, at least, capping the amount teams can spend, thus basically limiting a per player salary. They train everyday, they are constantly in the public eye, their careers on average are only 4 years. If you make a mistake it could haunt you for the rest of your life. You only see your family for roughly 6-8 months of the year. It's something I'd definately take a shot at if given the oppurtunity, but it's not the cake walk $1 million dollar mens leauge many put it out to be. This isn't a case of the players fighting a bunch of hobos over a million dollars either.

[Chadd 916]

Thats strange...Looks like the owners got the short end of the stick from what the deal looked like 2 weeks ago. Guess that was BS rumours.

Every indication I've seen has the owners getting everything they want and the players aren't getting anything. Plus younger players are really getting screwed by guys like Damphousse and Irbe who may never play another game but are part of the NHLPA executive group.

The new maximum salary a team could spend would rank about 18th in spending prior to the lockout and only Nashville spent less than the new cap floor. Free agency doesn't change much, nor does arbitration or qualifying offers. Revenue sharing has all but disappeared as well.

[EBondo 233]

You can't buy that there is a deal in place?

That one...I have gotten my hopes up just one too many times...I'll believe it when I hear more details

[Eazy_b97 1]

Every indication I've seen has the owners getting everything they want and the players aren't getting anything. Plus younger players are really getting screwed by guys like Damphousse and Irbe who may never play another game but are part of the NHLPA executive group.

The high profile young guys will be getting a bit of a screw job, but I expect the number of rookies to rise in the NHL because they will be cheaper. It gives more people the oppurtunity, but it limits the amount a projected superstar can make. Their are Pro's and Cons for the rookies.

[Next Sakic 0]

well the leagues average salary is only 1.3 million. and we are the fans whp pay the crazy prices for ticket and we are the ones who support the players so i dont think we should complain. players won in 1994. a monster was born. and we were the ones who have been feeding the monster.

ovbiously it will be alot of money difference. none of us have ever played hockey for millions before. they have the life style that they built up so takin like 1/4 of their pay would make a huge different. its the same thing if one of our bosses were to take that much from us. i do think that they are very very overly payed but it will be a huge loss from what they make. basicly i tihnk its awesome that we actually have hockye back for a seaso. no NHL this year sucked so i am just happy we have NHL back.

[ladystorm3 0]

no NHL this year sucked so i am just happy we have NHL back.

i think we all will appreciate the nhl a lil more after it was gone for a yaer

[EBondo 233]

well the leagues average salary is only 1.3 million.

Isn't it 1.8 mil?

[Jason Harris 31]

I'll believe it when I hear the details..."terrible for the players, good for the owners"...I just can't buy it as of now

Yup, so terrible to play a game for an average salary of over $1 million. Wow, poor guys.

It goes beyond that though. They are cutting salaries by 24%, at least, capping the amount teams can spend, thus basically limiting a per player salary. They train everyday, they are constantly in the public eye, their careers on average are only 4 years. If you make a mistake it could haunt you for the rest of your life. You only see your family for roughly 6-8 months of the year. It's something I'd definately take a shot at if given the oppurtunity, but it's not the cake walk $1 million dollar mens leauge many put it out to be. This isn't a case of the players fighting a bunch of hobos over a million dollars either.

Eazy, even if a player only made it to the four year average -- a number which I think is skewed down by the "cup of coffee" players -- at minimum salary, he still will have earned the equivalent of about 20-30 years of an average American working Joe. (I don't know what the minimum salary will be in the new CBA, but I did a quick search and US average salary is around $36.5K according to Bureau of Labor. If you were to break it down to men in their twenties, as many NHL players are, I'm sure the average would be much lower.)

Now, I know you can throw in things like agent fees, higher tax rates, etc., but there aren't too many people here who would pass up the possibility to earn an average salary of $1.4M (based on $34M salary cap), even if they have to train daily, travel often, sign autographs, whatever. Of course, not all the players will earn $1.4M. Some will earn $500K, but I'd still venture most people would deal with the hassles.

[chippa13 1844]

I'll believe it when I hear the details..."terrible for the players, good for the owners"...I just can't buy it as of now

Yup, so terrible to play a game for an average salary of over $1 million. Wow, poor guys.

It goes beyond that though. They are cutting salaries by 24%, at least, capping the amount teams can spend, thus basically limiting a per player salary. They train everyday, they are constantly in the public eye, their careers on average are only 4 years. If you make a mistake it could haunt you for the rest of your life. You only see your family for roughly 6-8 months of the year. It's something I'd definately take a shot at if given the oppurtunity, but it's not the cake walk $1 million dollar mens leauge many put it out to be. This isn't a case of the players fighting a bunch of hobos over a million dollars either.

This might come as a shock, but I work at my job everyday, too. These guys have their families with them in their home cities. They are paid great money to play the game they love and stay in shape. Any day they aren't playing their work day is an hour to hour and a half practice with maybe an hour of video work and an hour or two in the gym. Wow, tough day. Game day is a morning skate, then 6 hours to kill, then to the rink for about 5 hours for the game. Phew, that sounds rough.

[Chadd 916]

well the leagues average salary is only 1.3 million. and we are the fans whp pay the crazy prices for ticket and we are the ones who support the players so i dont think we should complain. players won in 1994. a monster was born. and we were the ones who have been feeding the monster.

Actually, the consensus was that the owners got everything they wanted in 1994. The fact is a few renegade owners screwed the others by abusing loopholes.

Ticket prices in places like Toronto, Detroit and Philly won't drop much, if at all. The teams will just put more money in their own pockets.

[EBondo 233]

well the leagues average salary is only 1.3 million. and we are the fans whp pay the crazy prices for ticket and we are the ones who support the players so i dont think we should complain. players won in 1994. a monster was born. and we were the ones who have been feeding the monster.

Actually, the consensus was that the owners got everything they wanted in 1994. The fact is a few renegade owners screwed the others by abusing loopholes.

Ticket prices in places like Toronto, Detroit and Philly won't drop much, if at all. The teams will just put more money in their own pockets.

That's what I hate...the only reason I can't go to a Flyers game is because the tickets are too expensive...the only Flyers game I've been to was a preseason game...when the tickets weren't high. I have to go to the Phantoms games because their prices are ridiculously (sp?) low.

[chippa13 1844]

Factor in a better revenue sharing set-up and the fact that all teams will have the ability to compete and the league will be better all around.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I do too. Like I said, I, like many people, would love to do it, but I don't think its the cake walk job people think. If everyone is so worried about, why not goto a communist society where everyone makes the same? I mean McDonalds money is good to a panhandler, should they have the right to complain about their wages? Hockey players are FAR above the poverty line, but they have something the average person doesn't. They have the talent to make it to where they are. I can put in as much time as a doctor does at school, but not make nearly as much because my mind doesn't work as hard. I work a very good paying, full time summer job, which most of the people in the city to for a living, but I'd stretch it to say when I had my "minimum wage jobs" they were more "rough" on me than my current position. Assuming everyone goes to school till they are 16 (which in Canada is mandatory) the most time you'll spend "striving for your career" is 13 years. 2 in High school, 4 in University, 7 past then. Hockey players are around those figures, but usually work year round. I figure they are "off" 3 months of the year with their family, then split the other 8 (minus 1 month get-aways for training camp and team building). So around 7, some years more, some less, thus the 6-8 months a year. I know it would be rough on my parents to spend 1/4 - 1/2 the year away from their kids.

These guys aren't shovelling coal into a furnace by any stretch, but they have worked hard to get where they are, and some take it for granted, but alot of guys know how good they have it.

Salming - I was going by those numbers basically, I overshot the US average Salary because I didn't convert the Canadian Funds over.

I am not saying they are living the hard life, but they aren't getting anywhere near what they were and it is a culture shock for them.

[chippa13 1844]

well the leagues average salary is only 1.3 million. and we are the fans whp pay the crazy prices for ticket and we are the ones who support the players so i dont think we should complain. players won in 1994. a monster was born. and we were the ones who have been feeding the monster.

Actually, the consensus was that the owners got everything they wanted in 1994. The fact is a few renegade owners screwed the others by abusing loopholes.

Ticket prices in places like Toronto, Detroit and Philly won't drop much, if at all. The teams will just put more money in their own pockets.

That's what I hate...the only reason I can't go to a Flyers game is because the tickets are too expensive...the only Flyers game I've been to was a preseason game...when the tickets weren't high. I have to go to the Phantoms games because their prices are ridiculously (sp?) low.

Here in Boston price increases have slowed and reversed for some seats because the fans finally took a stand. Tired of paying the high prices they stayed away in record numbers the last couple of seasons. That, and the lack of parity contributed to some pitiful attendance numbers. There was the 9,000 that showed up to see the B's play Anaheim on Halloween.

[Chadd 916]

Factor in a better revenue sharing set-up and the fact that all teams will have the ability to compete and the league will be better all around.

Revenue sharing has barely been mentioned lately and the numbers keep getting smaller. Plus the large number of european players that won't come back, or possibly even ever come over in the future, leaves serious doubts as to the league being "better all around"

[chippa13 1844]

Factor in a better revenue sharing set-up and the fact that all teams will have the ability to compete and the league will be better all around.

Revenue sharing has barely been mentioned lately and the numbers keep getting smaller. Plus the large number of european players that won't come back, or possibly even ever come over in the future, leaves serious doubts as to the league being "better all around"

The numbers keep getting smaller because of the expected damage at the gate, the loss of the ESPN contract with no current filler, and the expected loss of overall revenues because of the lost season.

[Chadd 916]

Factor in a better revenue sharing set-up and the fact that all teams will have the ability to compete and the league will be better all around.

Revenue sharing has barely been mentioned lately and the numbers keep getting smaller. Plus the large number of european players that won't come back, or possibly even ever come over in the future, leaves serious doubts as to the league being "better all around"

The numbers keep getting smaller because of the expected damage at the gate, the loss of the ESPN contract with no current filler, and the expected loss of overall revenues because of the lost season.

Those number have little to do with percentages and the teams expected to pay the most will see the least damage at the gate or in advertising income. ESPN was essentially $2M per team and had nothing to do with revenue sharing among teams.

[chippa13 1844]

I do too. Like I said, I, like many people, would love to do it, but I don't think its the cake walk job people think. If everyone is so worried about, why not goto a communist society where everyone makes the same? I mean McDonalds money is good to a panhandler, should they have the right to complain about their wages? Hockey players are FAR above the poverty line, but they have something the average person doesn't. They have the talent to make it to where they are. I can put in as much time as a doctor does at school, but not make nearly as much because my mind doesn't work as hard. I work a very good paying, full time summer job, which most of the people in the city to for a living, but I'd stretch it to say when I had my "minimum wage jobs" they were more "rough" on me than my current position. Assuming everyone goes to school till they are 16 (which in Canada is mandatory) the most time you'll spend "striving for your career" is 13 years. 2 in High school, 4 in University, 7 past then. Hockey players are around those figures, but usually work year round. I figure they are "off" 3 months of the year with their family, then split the other 8 (minus 1 month get-aways for training camp and team building). So around 7, some years more, some less, thus the 6-8 months a year. I know it would be rough on my parents to spend 1/4 - 1/2 the year away from their kids.

These guys aren't shovelling coal into a furnace by any stretch, but they have worked hard to get where they are, and some take it for granted, but alot of guys know how good they have it.

Salming - I was going by those numbers basically, I overshot the US average Salary because I didn't convert the Canadian Funds over.

I am not saying they are living the hard life, but they aren't getting anywhere near what they were and it is a culture shock for them.

And I didn't work hard to get where I am? Salming isn't working hard to get his piece of the pie?

As for losing out with the rollback and cap, those guys shot themselves in the foot by trying to get the owners to back down on the cap and linkage. Not only are they getting a lower cap now, but they are also getting linkage, which they weren't getting in the February NHL proposal.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I didn't say either of you don't work hard you're jumping ahead. I am saying they make alot of money, they work hard, and for someone who doesn't live their lifestyle to say they don't deserve the money is a little out of place.

The February proposal was better for them, but they still would have "lost"

[chippa13 1844]

Factor in a better revenue sharing set-up and the fact that all teams will have the ability to compete and the league will be better all around.

Revenue sharing has barely been mentioned lately and the numbers keep getting smaller. Plus the large number of european players that won't come back, or possibly even ever come over in the future, leaves serious doubts as to the league being "better all around"

The numbers keep getting smaller because of the expected damage at the gate, the loss of the ESPN contract with no current filler, and the expected loss of overall revenues because of the lost season.

Those number have little to do with percentages and the teams expected to pay the most will see the least damage at the gate or in advertising income. ESPN was essentially $2M per team and had nothing to do with revenue sharing among teams.

Let's think outside the box for a second. The ESPN deal was a national television contract. Now, once you lose that there is a trickle down effect. Corporate sponsors become stingier since they'll be getting less exposure. A spot on the boards or on the ice becomes cheaper. Many teams are dropping prices to get the fans back into the buildings. There is less money to go around.