Trouble getting used to Tour Hu'mer

[#96 0]

BC,

The skates are new, so they aren't gonna be as tight as you'd like, at least not for now while the materials break in and soften up. Also, there are only 9 holes as opposed to the 10 or more on some other brands. I def. noticed the feeling of not getting a tight fit though..but as I skate I either have 1) gotten used to the feeling or 2) allowed for time and the skate is breaking in.

[shute 4]

When it comes to pure speed the bigger the wheels the better and when it comes to push power the more surface on the floor/ice the better. There is a reason why speed skates are much longer. same thing with bikes... there is a reason why road bikes have much larger wheels then a bmx. the down side however to a longer surface is mobility.. a perfect example could be comparing the turning ability of a limo to a beetle car.. larger surface = larger turning radius. Shorten the contact surface and you get a smaller turning radius. having 4 larger wheels on a rollerblade is just like having a speed skate but if you can shorten the contact surface when it is needed (turning) then it would be the best of both worlds. tour and labeda are bold to come up with the all 80mm idea and even though they have lowered the boot to make it around as high as a highlow boot all they it did was to create a more stable platform. which in turn does help in allowing the player to turn a bit faster but just like lowering a cars shocks to make it a low rider the contact surface is still the same... more stable car yes... but contact surface is still the same. so how can you get better push power from a larger contact surface, the extra glide speed from the larger wheels and smaller contact surface when turning? humer chassis + vibe shocks and if weight is a concern make the chassis out of magnessium plus use 688 instead of 608 bearings. i don't think the weight difference from two 80mm wheels over 72mm wheels is that big of a difference. i think it's a great idea and i should get paid money for this if not at least some free skates. bad news is that this will not happen because of the world we live in with all it's patents...

[#96 0]

But I thought the Vibe chassis simply enabled the wheels (either front and back, or just back wheels) to remain on the surface during turns and stops. An all 80 setup is designed for maximum contact surface, so adding the vibe would add even more contact. We have already discussed that the Hummer chassis lacks mobility compared to the hilo setup (althought hotly debated), so why would they add Vibes to them too? That would make an already less mobile skate even more less mobile, no? Simply put, just too much contact for good agility and tight turns.

[shute 4]

what the vibe did was allow for 4 wheels on the floor but during turns it would push either the front or back wheel up which in turn lifts the skate a bit and allowing for only 3 wheels to touch the floor when turning.

[#96 0]

Ahh my mistake then. I thought the Vibe acted in such a way that the wheel was lowered in tight turns in order to get more contact patch. I understood the system wrong. My apologies.

[hockeyhair91 0]

Speed is great but its not everything... turning and control are important too, but I don't think they come from the chassis more so than the wheels, which Labeda rule at making.

Totally agreed. On the other hand, weight (as most members will agree) is not an important factor but for some reason is one of the "sexiest" features and rules in marketing and R&D.

I'm going to have to disagree with you and Neo here. I always felt that one of the most actractive features of the RT's I used (even though I didnt appreciate the Vibe Chassis) was the light weight of them because of the mini-bearings. As a hockey player the weight of a skate is incredibly important, especially in roller hockey where skates tend to be much heavier. And as much as Neo is right that the increase in speed is exceptional with the 80mm setup, the weight becomes a huge issue because now it takes 3 extra steps to get up to full speed. The added weight also severely affects your agility, but thats also because of the all 80mm setup.

IMO a perfect world, would have a skate with an all 80mm setup, mag chassis. and carbon hub wheels wtih mini bearings. But as much as I'd like to buy the code1s and then all 80mm hyper wheels, the missions fit me better and are the more economical choice at this point.

[DaveTheWave 0]

I think you misconstrued my point...

Does anyone else feel as though your mini bearings accelerate faster but don't reach the same top speed as your regular sized ones? I've found this to be the case.

[Neo5370 132]

Speed is great but its not everything... turning and control are important too, but I don't think they come from the chassis more so than the wheels, which Labeda rule at making.

Totally agreed. On the other hand, weight (as most members will agree) is not an important factor but for some reason is one of the "sexiest" features and rules in marketing and R&D.

I'm going to have to disagree with you and Neo here. I always felt that one of the most actractive features of the RT's I used (even though I didnt appreciate the Vibe Chassis) was the light weight of them because of the mini-bearings. As a hockey player the weight of a skate is incredibly important, especially in roller hockey where skates tend to be much heavier. And as much as Neo is right that the increase in speed is exceptional with the 80mm setup, the weight becomes a huge issue because now it takes 3 extra steps to get up to full speed. The added weight also severely affects your agility, but thats also because of the all 80mm setup.

IMO a perfect world, would have a skate with an all 80mm setup, mag chassis. and carbon hub wheels wtih mini bearings. But as much as I'd like to buy the code1s and then all 80mm hyper wheels, the missions fit me better and are the more economical choice at this point.

You are right. Extra weight will slow a skater down.

However the amount of weight we are talking here is in grams. Considering how strong you leg muscles are compared to the rest of your body, they'll adapt to a few extra grams, oz's, etc.

[DaveTheWave 0]

Blasphemy! Consider thyself smitten by Mission Hockey marketing.

(I made the same point on another post)

[kovalchuk71 212]

whoops wrong topic

[malcb33 97]

I have an idea! Maybe someone should try a 78mm wheel at the front of there hummer frame? That would give you a slight rocker feel and shorten the wheel base for turning. I know 78mm wheels are not easy to find, so you would have get them from a one-up frame! What do you guy think?

[Fury of One 6]

I think I know the answer to this already but I assume you could put all 76mm's in the Humer frame right? Would it affect anything besides the obvious, speed. When I used to use a flat frame back in the day, I used to use all 76s. Just wondering.

[Kyle Friedman 9]

Yes, you can put all 76s in a hummer frame.

Woah, just noticed that comment was from nearly 7 years ago haha..