Graf Series Fit

[Furyan 1]

Hi all!

I have a question. Recently someone wrote about distinctions in Graf skates.

For example: Graf 609 - flat insteps and arches, mid- wide heel, wide mid and forefoot

Has someone a full list of it? (703,705,707,709,G3 e.t.c.......)

D.

[LeafsNeedD 0]

I noticed no one was answering your post. I know how you feel <_< , as I got very few responses to my own post about Graf's.

anyways, I can only tell you that the 735's are for those with a narrow heel and wider forefoot with a average to thick instep. was fitted by Graf-trained sales guy at LHS. the 735's seem like the best fit for me, since I have flat feet. they were pretty comfortable. felt like they were hugging my feet. never felt that way before.

the sales kid also told me that the G series generally has a deeper boot than 700 series. I did notice the 735's were pretty shallow (ankle felt like it was positioned higher up in the boot than I'm used to, with Bauers). also, I've read that G line had probs with quality of construction. but maybe that only applied to last yrs models.

hope this helps.

[sogaduch 0]

703/G3-generally narrow all around the foot with a shallow instep

705/G5-standard heel and forefoot with standard ankle depth(old supreme type fit)

735/G35-similar fit to 703/G3 but with abit wider forefoot and similar depth to that of the 705 so standard ankle depth

709/G9-wide ankles and wide forefoot with a deeper instep

I hope this helps. also about the G-series yes there were some problems with the outsole coming off but its the first time that graf has actually used a full carbon fibre insole and outsole with the same materials they always use, i havent seen this happen on the new G-series though so it might have been solved already.

[LkptTiger 1]

also about the G-series yes there were some problems with the outsole coming off but its the first time that graf has actually used a full carbon fibre insole and outsole  with the same materials they always use, i havent seen this happen on the new G-series though so it might have been solved already.

The outsole of my '05 G-35s crumbled just as quickly as my first pair of '04s.

[sogaduch 0]

also about the G-series yes there were some problems with the outsole coming off but its the first time that graf has actually used a full carbon fibre insole and outsole  with the same materials they always use, i havent seen this happen on the new G-series though so it might have been solved already.

The outsole of my '05 G-35s crumbled just as quickly as my first pair of '04s.

well yours may be one of the first 05s, i honestly couldnt tell you. my g3s havent had anything happen to them at all

[hockechamp14 0]

What kind of arch do each of the grafs have?

[NCPanthers9 0]

i have 04 g35s and i havnt had a problem for the 10 months that ive had them. they must have been pretty hit and miss though, cuz it seems like there were many that just fell apart.

[sogaduch 0]

What kind of arch do each of the grafs have?

there all pretty much standard arches but they can be cut out if you find it bothers you, on the G-series since its carbon fibre youd need a dremel ive been told from graf to remove it. I had my g3s with the arch removed when i ordered them

[orphan 0]

Were those G3's custom, or was the removed arch the only mod? I'm curious how much they would charge for a small change (like cutting the arch out) if the rest of the skate was standard, and also how long it delay the order.

Do you know if they cut the arch of the insole and then built the boot, or just cut it afterwards?

[Lemieux 66]

Recently someone wrote about distinctions in Graf skates....Has someone a full list of it?

Here's a cut-and-paste (with a bit of editing) from sogaduch's description in the aforementioned thread.

703-narrow heel, standard forefoot, shallow depth

705-standard heel, standard forefoot, medium depth

707-wide heel, narrow forefoot, deep depth: this boot provides optimum flexibility

709-wide heel, wide forefoot, very deep ankle depth

727-wide heel, wide forefoot, deep depth

735-narrow heel, wide forefoot, standard depth (both available in t-blade or cobra)

If you fit into a 705 and your subtailor bone comes out more than your Achilles' and you feel pressure after skating a game or two, take it to the shop and have him punch it out above your pressure spot; this will help alleviate the pressure. Punching out the direct area will do nothing at all. Another option is to have him put you in a 735.

When you go to try the Grafs ask to borrow a pen and before you lace up the skate, run the pen across the third eyelet from the top across your foot. If the pen wobbles, get him to bring out a deeper boot. If he says that you don't need one, just say that you do need a deeper boot because your ankles are sitting too far forward and because your ankle will rub along the eyelets.

If the pen does not wobble but you can get more than a finger underneath the pen, have him bring you out a shallower fitting boot, i.e. 703. Also try on a Narrow or Regular width before going with a Wide because the skate will get wider like all skates once it's worn in. If your heel slips in the Wide, it'll slip even more after the heating.

[sogaduch 0]

Were those G3's custom, or was the removed arch the only mod? I'm curious how much they would charge for a small change (like cutting the arch out) if the rest of the skate was standard, and also how long it delay the order.

Do you know if they cut the arch of the insole and then built the boot, or just cut it afterwards?

my g3s were custom but yes it can be done in store, the person just needs to know how too do it. on the 700 series you just use a knife and its gone

[Human Zamboni 0]

Wow, great response Lemiuex, very informative. I have a pair of Supreme 5090's, and depth is great, toe box width is great, forefoot is okay, but my heel slips, and nothing sucks more than when your heel slips. Seems that if you need a wide toe box, and need a deeper boot it is hard to find one with a narrow heel.

[tokes 0]

How do the 503's fit?

[lockitup 0]

When you go to try the Grafs ask to borrow a pen and before you lace up the skate, run the pen across the third eyelet from the top across your foot. If the pen wobbles, get him to bring out a deeper boot. If he says that you don't need one, just say that you do need a deeper boot because your ankles are sitting too far forward and because your ankle will rub along the eyelets.

If the pen does not wobble but you can get more than a finger underneath the pen, have him bring you out a shallower fitting boot, i.e. 703. Also try on a Narrow or Regular width before going with a Wide because the skate will get wider like all skates once it's worn in. If your heel slips in the Wide, it'll slip even more after the heating.

I am trying to mentally picture what exactly to do with the pen, and I am blanking. Rubbing the pen across the boot in which way?

[tsanga 0]

See this thread.