hasek injured during warm-up

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=149141&hubname=nhl

"Atlanta made it 6-2 after two periods, getting goals from Hossa - his 21st and fourth in two games - and two from Kozlov, his 12th and 13th, in handing Emery only his second loss (8-2-1). Emery, who made only 19 saves, got the start when Dominik Hasek hurt his back during warmups."

i wonder if it's a serious injury or not, cause if it is that would be a total blow to the sens: havlat, spezza, alfie, hasek???

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spezza was playing earlier...

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problem is that even with all those all-stars down they are still a better team then most... now that is scary.

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problem is that even with all those all-stars down they are still a better team then most... now that is scary.

No they're not. The sens are a one line team. Spezza is back though, so they have 2/3rds of the top line. They'll miss Havlat for the depth he provides, but beyond the top guys, they're not that deep up front. Minus Hasek, minus Alfredsson, leaves, IMO, four elite players - Spezza, Heater, Chara, Redden. Good, but not better than most teams. Fantastic depth on the blueline, but they can't score much beyond Spezza/Heatley. No doubt, the injuries hurt the Sens, big time.

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with those guys down they still have heatley, spezza, smolinski, fisher, bochenski and on D they have their full line in chara, redden, meszaros... i don't know about you but that to me is better then most.

smolinski himself can be a #1 center on most teams as well and emery is a very good young goalie.

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with those guys down they still have heatley, spezza, smolinski, fisher, bochenski and on D they have their full line in chara, redden, meszaros... i don't know about you but that to me is better then most.

smolinski himself can be a #1 center on most teams as well and emery is a very good young goalie.

Emery is unproven, I'd liken him to an early season LaBarbera right now...

Bryan Smolinski as a #1 centre? On which team? The Capitals? He's not a #1, never was, never will be. Fisher is third line at best, but a solid two way contributor. Most teams have a guy like that.

Bochenski is also an unproven rookie - and he's hurt.

D is solid - no argument there.

I'd say the deepest team up front is the Flyers and the deepest on the blueline is the Sens.

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with those guys down they still have heatley, spezza, smolinski, fisher, bochenski and on D they have their full line in chara, redden, meszaros...  i don't know about you but that to me is better then most.

smolinski himself can be a #1 center on most teams as well and emery is a very good young goalie.

Emery is unproven, I'd liken him to an early season LaBarbera right now...

Bryan Smolinski as a #1 centre? On which team? The Capitals? He's not a #1, never was, never will be. Fisher is third line at best, but a solid two way contributor. Most teams have a guy like that.

Bochenski is also an unproven rookie - and he's hurt.

D is solid - no argument there.

I'd say the deepest team up front is the Flyers and the deepest on the blueline is the Sens.

The flyers don't have many pure goal scorers, that's the big knock against them.

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the flyers don't ahve that much... you take away their top 3 and they are done... the rest are just leeching off forsberg and gagne.

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with those guys down they still have heatley, spezza, smolinski, fisher, bochenski and on D they have their full line in chara, redden, meszaros...  i don't know about you but that to me is better then most.

smolinski himself can be a #1 center on most teams as well and emery is a very good young goalie.

Emery is unproven, I'd liken him to an early season LaBarbera right now...

Bryan Smolinski as a #1 centre? On which team? The Capitals? He's not a #1, never was, never will be. Fisher is third line at best, but a solid two way contributor. Most teams have a guy like that.

Bochenski is also an unproven rookie - and he's hurt.

D is solid - no argument there.

I'd say the deepest team up front is the Flyers and the deepest on the blueline is the Sens.

The flyers don't have many pure goal scorers, that's the big knock against them.

the flyers don't ahve that much... you take away their top 3 and they are done... the rest are just leeching off forsberg and gagne.

Which isn't a very big knock, judging by the way things are going...but not many teams have even ONE pure goal scorer. These days, the only guys I'd consider pure scorers are Kovalchuk, Nash and Ovechkin. Maybe Gagne.

I don't think the sens have a pure goal scorer either, and the closest thing they have is probably Heatley. For the flyers, Jeff Carter and Sami Kapanen can also score some goals (though, in the future, I expect Carter to be a high 30 to 40 goal man), and when they really are short, they can get some from Forsberg or Handzus.

Take away the Sens top 3, and what do you have? Smolinski, Havlat and Fisher? I'd rather have Kapanen, Primeau, Handzus, Knuble, Carter and Richards...

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Game ends 8-3 Atlanta. Bottom Line - Without Hasek the Sens are toast.

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Big game for Hossa against his old team. 2 goals, one assist I think.

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Take away the Sens top 3, and what do you have? Smolinski, Havlat and Fisher? I'd rather have Kapanen, Primeau, Handzus, Knuble, Carter and Richards...

wouldnt knuble be the flyers top 3? carter and richards are unproven rookies.. that leaves you with primeau, kapenen, and handzus.. id rather have fisher, smoklinski, and schaefer.... not to mention, chris neil has learned how to play hockey, and hes a decent player now..

past forsberg and gagne, the flyers dont have any major offensive players..

sens have alfredson, havlat, spezza, and heatley.. sens are deeper, and better the everyone in the league.

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the flyers don't ahve that much... you take away their top 3 and they are done... the rest are just leeching off forsberg and gagne.

Really, you take away a teams top three point players and they're not as good?! No crap. Fact is, the Flyers have played a good amount of games without Forsberg, Gagne, Primeau, Pitkanen, Desjardins, and Esche (to name just a handful). That's their top two C, leading scorer, and two best PP defensemen (Pitkanen was playing incredible before he was injured), and starting goalie. I wouldn't qualify them as "done" even with all those games missed.

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sens have alfredson, havlat, spezza, and heatley.. sens are deeper, and better the everyone in the league.

Which is probably why they haven't beaten the Flyers this year

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Umm how about this, its one game who cares ? Ottawa has been bitten by the injury bug all year and they still hold the best record in the league. I'd rather have them have the injuries now then when it matters.

Gagne a pure goalscorer ? Thats funny, how many goals did he get when Foresberg was hurt ? Like 2 in 6 games ? I mean a a blind hockey player could get 25 goals playing with Foresberg.

Fisher third line at best ? Not even going to comment on that one.

Take aways Phillies top 3 (Gagne, Forsberg and Kanuble) and what do you have ? A team that will put up a goal a night because thats about what happens when their big line does not show up.

And trust me any coach would rather have all around players then goalscores, so I don't think Ottawa should really worry if they have pure goal scorers or not. I am pretty sure Heatly and Alfy are top 5 in the league in goals and I am sure Havlat would be right up there if he was not hurt.

And as far as Smolisky goes, well hes just showing that he can be a number one center. But then again anyone will look good with Alfie and Heater.

And if there is a problem with the Sens I'll tell you what it is. Its Spezza. Ottawa plays much better without him, they work harder. Spezza I think slows down the top line as hes not the fastest and Alfie is at his best when he carries the puck. Also Spezza is very cocky and not very bright, he tries to dangle too much. Don't get me wrong hes very skilled but I think hes not fitting into Ottawa's style. I think he needs a wake up call.

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And if there is a problem with the Sens I'll tell you what it is. Its Spezza. Ottawa plays much better without him, they work harder. Spezza I think slows down the top line as hes not the fastest and Alfie is at his best when he carries the puck. Also Spezza is very cocky and not very bright, he tries to dangle too much. Don't get me wrong hes very skilled but I think hes not fitting into Ottawa's style. I think he needs a wake up call.

are you kidding me? heatly, while possesing a good shot, is not the best posistional or team player in the slightest. hes just a sniper. alfie i must say is sick. however, how can you say that about spezza? hes RIDICULOUS. he is by far the best player on their team. oh and by the way, he doesn't try to dangle, he DOES dangle. I'm not trying to diss you, but he seriously is amazing, and look at his assists? not a puck hog at all. if he wanted he could be the leading goal scorer instead hes more in a forsberg-eske role right now.

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Umm how about this, its one game who cares ? Ottawa has been bitten by the injury bug all year and they still hold the best record in the league. I'd rather have them have the injuries now then when it matters.

Gagne a pure goalscorer ? Thats funny, how many goals did he get when Foresberg was hurt ? Like 2 in 6 games ? I mean a a blind hockey player could get 25 goals playing with Foresberg.

Fisher third line at best ? Not even going to comment on that one.

Take aways Phillies top 3 (Gagne, Forsberg and Kanuble) and what do you have ? A team that will put up a goal a night because thats about what happens when their big line does not show up.

And trust me any coach would rather have all around players then goalscores, so I don't think Ottawa should really worry if they have pure goal scorers or not. I am pretty sure Heatly and Alfy are top 5 in the league in goals and I am sure Havlat would be right up there if he was not hurt.

And as far as Smolisky goes, well hes just showing that he can be a number one center. But then again anyone will look good with Alfie and Heater.

And if there is a problem with the Sens I'll tell you what it is. Its Spezza. Ottawa plays much better without him, they work harder. Spezza I think slows down the top line as hes not the fastest and Alfie is at his best when he carries the puck. Also Spezza is very cocky and not very bright, he tries to dangle too much. Don't get me wrong hes very skilled but I think hes not fitting into Ottawa's style. I think he needs a wake up call.

id rather have fisher, smoklinski, and schaefer

Ottawa fans are goddamn blind. Mike Fisher better than a number 3 centre? That's ridiculous, Mike Fisher is a checker, period. He's a good two way checker, but he's not #2 material. And Brian Smolinski? Gimme a break, he's #2 at best. A 50 point guy isn't a top centre. He makes a decent #2. His best year? '95-'96, 64 points in Pittsburgh, playing with, guess who? Mario Lemieux.

And Matt, there is NO WAY that the Sens have been hit by the injury bug like the Flyers. To insinuate that is just plain stupid. Let's keep in mind that the Flyers are playing without Desjardins and Pitkanen, and are using Nittymaki (unproven rookie - but will be good) as their starter. Let's see how Ottawa fares without half their starters and Ray Emery in net for an extended stretch...

Ok, so we take away Gagne, Forsberg and Knuble. Who are we left with? Primeau, Kapanen, Handzus, Carter and Richards (who are both better than Bochenski).

Which is more than I can say for the Sens, if you take away Alfredsson, Heatley and Spezza. They have Havlat, Smolinski and Fisher.

Tiki, how could you take Fisher, Smolinski and Schaefer over the depth on the Flyers? That's ridiculous. Those guys have 5 20+ goal seasons b/w them (ALL Smolinski's - he has ONE 30+) while Primeau, Kapanen and Handzus have 11 20+ goal seasons (Primeau has THREE 30+). I've seen KP dominate the playoffs on his own, but I highly doubt that you'll see Smolinski or Fisher doing the same anytime in this lifetime.

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And if there is a problem with the Sens I'll tell you what it is. Its Spezza. Ottawa plays much better without him, they work harder. Spezza I think slows down the top line as hes not the fastest and Alfie is at his best when he carries the puck. Also Spezza is very cocky and not very bright, he tries to dangle too much. Don't get me wrong hes very skilled but I think hes not fitting into Ottawa's style. I think he needs a wake up call.

are you kidding me? heatly, while possesing a good shot, is not the best posistional or team player in the slightest. hes just a sniper. alfie i must say is sick. however, how can you say that about spezza? hes RIDICULOUS. he is by far the best player on their team. oh and by the way, he doesn't try to dangle, he DOES dangle. I'm not trying to diss you, but he seriously is amazing, and look at his assists? not a puck hog at all. if he wanted he could be the leading goal scorer instead hes more in a forsberg-eske role right now.

I don't know I am pretty sure I've seen about 85 % of Ottawa games. Please watch Spezza play and you'll see that he tries to do too much, instead of just keeping things simple he tries to over do it, even the coach at one point warned the top line to keep it simple, when they do they dominate but Spezza is not the brightest kid out there, hes got this ego problem. And yeah he does dangle but he also f's up a lot. And saying hes the best player on the team is pushing it because its clear that Alfie runs the show here and there is a reason why he hardly plays on the PK because hes too slow and not very responsible. Like I said Spezza still has a lot of maturing to do.

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hey if you guys don't like him we (the oilers) would be happy to pick him up.. we'll give you horcoff and say a #1 pick... :P

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hey if you guys don't like him we (the oilers) would be happy to pick him up.. we'll give you horcoff and say a #1 pick... :P

I like Horcoff. Give 'em Peca. :lol:

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Ottawa fans are goddamn blind. Mike Fisher better than a number 3 centre? That's ridiculous, Mike Fisher is a checker, period. He's a good two way checker, but he's not #2 material. And Brian Smolinski? Gimme a break, he's #2 at best. A 50 point guy isn't a top centre. He makes a decent #2. His best year? '95-'96, 64 points in Pittsburgh, playing with, guess who? Mario Lemieux.

And Matt, there is NO WAY that the Sens have been hit by the injury bug like the Flyers. To insinuate that is just plain stupid. Let's keep in mind that the Flyers are playing without Desjardins and Pitkanen, and are using Nittymaki as their starter. Let's see how Ottawa fares without half their starters and Ray Emery in net for an extended stretch...

Ok, so we take away Gagne, Forsberg and Knuble. Who are we left with? Primeau, Kapanen, Handzus, Carter and Richards (who are both better than Bochenski).

Which is more than I can say for the Sens, if you take away Alfredsson, Heatley and Spezza. They have Havlat, Smolinski and Fisher.

Tiki, how could you take Fisher, Smolinski and Schaefer over the depth on the Flyers? That's ridiculous. Those guys have 5 20+ goal seasons b/w them (ALL Smolinski's - he has ONE 30+) while Primeau, Kapanen and Handzus have 11 20+ goal seasons (Primeau has THREE 30+). I've seen KP dominate the playoffs on his own, but I highly doubt that you'll see Smolinski or Fisher doing the same anytime in this lifetime.

Smokes is capable of being a number one centre, I don't know if you have been watching but he played extremely well with Alfie and Heater.

I believe Fisher is 2nd line material. But given his game style thats why hes on the 3rd line, and hes there because thats what the coach wants him to do. Hes extremely fast and hes got a wicked hands and a great shot.

Primeau ? I'll pass on him, most likely doesn't even know how to spell his own name anymore. And I'll take Havlat any day over Primeau, Kapanen, Handzus, Carter and Richards I don't care how many stupid things he has done he would skate circles around any one of them. On 90 %of other teams Havlat would be 1st line material. To me hes as good as Gagne, hell Gagne without Forsberg is actually a 25 goal scorer.

Scheafer is almost a point a game player these days and hes extremely good at the PK and extremly under-rated player same goes for Fisher.

Also you are comparing three 1st and 2nd line players to one 2nd line and two 3rd line players, and who really gives a rats ass what someone has done 5 years ago, yeah 10 years ago Lemieux was lighting it up but hes not now.

You know what I've seen, Ottawa dominate the Flyers every time in the playoffs :D. And yeah the thing with Philly is, maybe they beat Ottawa twice this year, but Philly just can't dominate teams like Ottawa can, because when healthy Ottawa is the fastest team on the ice and I believe come playoff time maybe even Philly will get a taste of truly what Ottawa is capable of.

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hey if you guys don't like him we (the oilers) would be happy to pick him up..      we'll give you horcoff and say a #1 pick...  :P

I like Horcoff. Give 'em Peca. :lol:

Peca you can keep.

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i'll be willing to throw in pisani to get that guy off our hands... talk about a waste of 4 mill... heck even modano costs less..

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Ottawa fans are goddamn blind.  Mike Fisher better than a number 3 centre?  That's ridiculous, Mike Fisher is a checker, period.  He's a good two way checker, but he's not #2 material.  And Brian Smolinski?  Gimme a break, he's #2 at best.  A 50 point guy isn't a top centre.  He makes a decent #2.  His best year?  '95-'96, 64 points in Pittsburgh, playing with, guess who?  Mario Lemieux.

And Matt, there is NO WAY that the Sens have been hit by the injury bug like the Flyers.  To insinuate that is just plain stupid.  Let's keep in mind that the Flyers are playing without Desjardins and Pitkanen, and are using Nittymaki as their starter.  Let's see how Ottawa fares without half their starters and Ray Emery in net for an extended stretch...

Ok, so we take away Gagne, Forsberg and Knuble.  Who are we left with?  Primeau, Kapanen, Handzus, Carter and Richards (who are both better than Bochenski).   

Which is more than I can say for the Sens, if you take away Alfredsson, Heatley and Spezza.  They have Havlat, Smolinski and Fisher. 

Tiki, how could you take Fisher, Smolinski and Schaefer over the depth on the Flyers?  That's ridiculous.  Those guys have 5 20+ goal seasons b/w them (ALL Smolinski's - he has ONE 30+) while Primeau, Kapanen and Handzus have 11 20+ goal seasons (Primeau has THREE 30+).  I've seen KP dominate the playoffs on his own, but I highly doubt that you'll see Smolinski or Fisher doing the same anytime in this lifetime.

Smokes is capable of being a number one centre, I don't know if you have been watching but he played extremely well with Alfie and Heater.

I believe Fisher is 2nd line material. But given his game style thats why hes on the 3rd line, and hes there because thats what the coach wants him to do. Hes extremely fast and hes got a wicked hands and a great shot.

Primeau ? I'll pass on him, most likely doesn't even know how to spell his own name anymore. And I'll take Havlat any day over Primeau, Kapanen, Handzus, Carter and Richards I don't care how many stupid things he has done he would skate circles around any one of them. On 90 %of other teams Havlat would be 1st line material. To me hes as good as Gagne, hell Gagne without Forsberg is actually a 25 goal scorer.

Scheafer is almost a point a game player these days and hes extremely good at the PK and extremly under-rated player same goes for Fisher.

Also you are comparing three 1st and 2nd line players to one 2nd line and two 3rd line players, and who really gives a rats ass what someone has done 5 years ago, yeah 10 years ago Lemieux was lighting it up but hes not now.

You know what I've seen, Ottawa dominate the Flyers every time in the playoffs :D. And yeah the thing with Philly is, maybe they beat Ottawa twice this year, but Philly just can't dominate teams like Ottawa can, because when healthy Ottawa is the fastest team on the ice and I believe come playoff time maybe even Philly will get a taste of truly what Ottawa is capable of.

On what line they play on their respective teams is irrelevant. We're comparing the depth of the two teams, and I still submit that the depth of the Flyers is stronger than that of the Sens.

Lemieux may suck now, but 10 years ago, Bryan Smolinski was reaping the benefit of playing alongside him, just like he today, will reap benefits when playing with Alfredsson and Heatley, I mean who wouldn't? And yes, Forsberg makes anyone better, but you have to remember that Gagne is great on his own. He always played a two way role and was never counted on to lead the team in scoring - that said, I have no doubt that Gagne is supremely talented (and probably faster than ANY one of the Senators), has great hands, and could score 40 if his team needed him to.

And yeah, the Sens did beat the crap out of the Flyers in the past, but that was pre-Pitkanen, Forsberg and Kapanen. And you're right, the Sens sure do know how to bring it come playoff time - just ask the Leafs.

That said, I've no doubt that if the Sens and Leafs met in the playoffs this year, the Leafs would be swept. Playing the Flyers though, I'm not so sure. Let's see if Alfredsson can actually deliver a cup this time, instead of making just another empty promise.

EDIT: Not so sure Ottawa is the fastest team either...I think that might be Minnesota - Gaborik, Walz, Daigle...

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i think the team with the fastest players is columbus... zherdev is lighting fast, fedorov's still got the legs and no one can forget chimera who is the fastest nhl player right now.