gun in school

[Project824 0]

Couple of things: Kids have been bringing weapons and guns to school a lot longer than the recent past 5 years, even back 15-20 years ago. It's just that those things only happened in schools where "that kind of thing happened", and not at the suburban white schools that it's happening at now. Anytime there's a school shooting on the news, it's because it happened at the school where it wasn't supposed to, meanwhile school violence that happens every day at inner city schools is on the back page because it's not news anymore.

Rusty, I think you made a very good and no BS revelation into some of the problems that now exist. I've noticed it a lot with kids who come to college (in general and with hockey players). It makes me wonder whether these kids will be able to handle failure when it truly, finally and irreversibly hits them. A lot of them have a very skewed view of reality and have very inflated self esteems and don't realize their own limitations because of exactly what you speak of.

As for the original poster, yes the grammar was a little off and very obviously high school, but it led to a pretty legitimate discussion. It seemed that some of the comments made by other posters didn't help the situation - in fact they were pretty condescending and unnecessary, and caused the dialogue to degrade to exchanging insults. It just happened that some of these comments came from Mods, and it seems like it happens quite a bit. Now one poster is assumingly banned, because of an exchange between them and a person that is supposed to regulate the board for just this kind of behavior, not provoke it. This board is a great source of information, and it seems a shame that you can be berated by a moderater because your question is deemed stupid. I realize this will probably be met with an equally condescending insult, but hopefully some good will come of it, I don't really have any sides to take on the matter.

[mack 44]

You have no idea how many different times this person has been allowed back, but please keep on presuming you know all.

[CHIEF22 0]

Rusty, I think you made a very good and no BS revelation into some of the problems that now exist. I've noticed it a lot with kids who come to college (in general and with hockey players). It makes me wonder whether these kids will be able to handle failure when it truly, finally and irreversibly hits them. A lot of them have a very skewed view of reality and have very inflated self esteems and don't realize their own limitations because of exactly what you speak of.

You are right, there are too many easy ways out. See the article in Sports Illustrated on my town from about a month ago.

We also live in a morbid society. Don't think its true? Wathc next time there is a bad car accident in your town. Check out the people who show up to watch. I have had to chase people off scenes before when they try to lift up the sheet covering the deceased person still in the vehicle.

[Project824 0]

im a junoir in high school. freshman, sophmore and now junior year someone has brought a gun to school. this is crazy, are your alls schools like this? i live in the richer part of town, and we are definately not the "bad" school. why do we have these guns in school? its kinda scary because we know they will be braught, we just dont know when.

Seemed like a fair enough post. Bad grammar and composition, but doesn't look like it hurts anyone. Unless there's a subliminal attack on you somewhere in the message.

Mod Squad Hockey rules

1. If you don't have anything useful to add, don't say anything. Disagreement can be good and is perfectly acceptable. Don't take it personally if someone disagrees with you.

If you ask this many questions--not to mention the quality of said questions--in class I can see why guns are brought to your school.

A couple of good on topic posts in between.

You're useless everywhere. Congratulations on being the longest-living stillborn out there though. I'll make you a hat and cake.

There was very little to presume. It's all in this topic to read for yourself. Maybe this poster has been banned and allowed back many times in the past, and calling you an asshole certainly qualifies, but slinging insults led to that situation. If there was some secret message provoking you in the original post, please do tell. Thanks to everyone that actually had something to add to the topic though.

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

Eherbo13/ladystorm3/pldhockey4 has been a pain since day one - she has cluttered MSH with her posts for a long time. I tried to reason with her multiple times - tried to explain to her that she needed to think before she posted instead of posting in every thread. One day she almost nailed 100 posts and none of them were useful.

We put her on moderator approval several times and I even took her off it twice, but wading through 20 posts in an hour is tiring.

Ironically, her final thread was a good one.

[awall 0]

Here in Britain we don't have people bringing guns into schools because guns aren't as easy to obtain here. In America it seems that, bar convicted felons or the mentally unstable, anyone can legally get hold of a gun. And until someone does something about American gun laws, situations such as guns in schools are going to continue to arise.

How does making tougher gun laws help? It is already illegal to bring a gun to school? What does that stop? If we take the guns away from the population then only the criminals will have them. Can we rely on the police to protect everyone everywhere everytime? If you call 911 in an emergency it can take up to 5 minutes for the police to arive if not more, I'm sure nothing life threatening can happen in 5 minutes.

[ash_96 0]

I think a reason why England has low gun crimes, is that hardly anyone even has guns. It's not like a kid can get a gun thats in his house, or from a friends house.

If you do have a gun license, for sport shooting/hunting, then it has to be securely locked away. This means that it makes it a lot harder to get into the wrong hands.

Please dont take this the wrong way, I myself have never been to America, but this is just how the differences appear to me. My judgement of guns in america wont be correct as my opinions have mainly come from media and what i've been told. And we all know how wrong that usually is! So i've tried not to comment too much on it, and more on what England is like.

If anyone can correct me on anything I've said, please do.

Ash

[mack 44]

No need to go Fisking all the quotes, but calling me an asshole should probably be the least ban-worthy thing on the site. Like JR said, it's a lot to root thru and he knows since he had to sift thru the crap more than most. I just don't see replies that quote huge strings of posts and add only "oh, ok" to them being worth anyone posting.

[analog999 0]

And I thought "she" was a "he"...

[KYHockey3 0]

As for the original poster, yes the grammar was a little off and very obviously high school, but it led to a pretty legitimate discussion. It seemed that some of the comments made by other posters didn't help the situation - in fact they were pretty condescending and unnecessary, and caused the dialogue to degrade to exchanging insults. It just happened that some of these comments came from Mods, and it seems like it happens quite a bit. Now one poster is assumingly banned, because of an exchange between them and a person that is supposed to regulate the board for just this kind of behavior, not provoke it. This board is a great source of information, and it seems a shame that you can be berated by a moderater because your question is deemed stupid. I realize this will probably be met with an equally condescending insult, but hopefully some good will come of it, I don't really have any sides to take on the matter.

this kid seems like a real pain, but i can also see where project was coming from

anyways, at my school we have had no real problems about this. it is a private catholic school and we really havent had many gun problems.

[cougarscaptain87 12]

im a jr in high school in rochester michigan, one of the nicest cities in the state. and i have had a gun pulled on me and my buddies at school after homecoming. only time we have had a problem as a school but still scary

[KYHockey3 0]

im a jr in high school in rochester michigan, one of the nicest cities in the state. and i have had a gun pulled on me and my buddies at school after homecoming. only time we have had a problem as a school but still scary

thats terrible

[Project_2501 0]

And I thought "she" was a "he"...

Brokeback mountain?

[Nacho 0]

tell that to the man who put me on mod approval that!

because you all arent in school means  dont comment here, i mean my gun in school topic is for kids in school, not 45 year old men who are useless for this topic!

Ahh yes, how silly of me. The only people who could possible have a grasp on what is wrong with society are 16 year old kids. How foolish for me to thinking that having witnessed the metamorphisis of school violence over the last 20 years might give me a valuable perspective.

A 16 year old grew up in the days of guns in schools. That is the world they know and for many of them, guns in schools is "just they way things are."

Me on the other hand, while far from the 45 your l33t m4th sk11z put me at, I am older than you and the world I grew up in was different. I feel this gives me a valuable perspective. The schools I went to were very violent. Fights were a daily occurence. I've seen first hand what happens when someone is thrown through a window. (it is messy to say the least.) I had a friend placed in a medically induced coma to allow his body to heal after a beating. High school was not a good memory for me. What I'm trying to say here, is violence in schools is not any more common now then it was when I was in high school 15 years ago. The only thing that has changed is the nature of the violence. So you are not allowed to discount my opinion just because I am older than you. To do so would be a stunning example of ignorance on your part.

Now, if I haven't lost you by using too many words, go back and reread my first post and think about what I said. It's not that difficult, but I'll be nice and summarize it for you here.

I drew a parallel between the push to remove failure from kids lives, and the shift in violence from beatings to shootings. It is not nessecarily a direct cause and effect relationship, but it is undoubtably a relationship.

Now swallow your pride and think about that, then think about what needs to be done to change your world for the better.

Well Put. You are good with words man. lol.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

Rusty, I think you made a very good and no BS revelation into some of the problems that now exist.  I've noticed it a lot with kids who come to college (in general and with hockey players).  It makes me wonder whether these kids will be able to handle failure when it truly, finally and irreversibly hits them.  A lot of them have a very skewed view of reality and have very inflated self esteems and don't realize their own limitations because of exactly what you speak of.

You are right, there are too many easy ways out. See the article in Sports Illustrated on my town from about a month ago.

We also live in a morbid society. Don't think its true? Wathc next time there is a bad car accident in your town. Check out the people who show up to watch. I have had to chase people off scenes before when they try to lift up the sheet covering the deceased person still in the vehicle.

My swimming coahc was in a car accidnet last year, a drunk driver was hitting 60mph on a curvy bend and went head on with her. I think everyone in our lake community showed up, one person was also trying to look into the ambulance, the police git him away though!!

[hockechamp14 0]

Eherbo13/ladystorm3/pldhockey4 has been a pain since day one - she has cluttered MSH with her posts for a long time. I tried to reason with her multiple times - tried to explain to her that she needed to think before she posted instead of posting in every thread. One day she almost nailed 100 posts and none of them were useful.

We put her on moderator approval several times and I even took her off it twice, but wading through 20 posts in an hour is tiring.

Ironically, her final thread was a good one.

she had the Aqua teen hunger force avie on her older one right?... yeah that was pretty annoying.