Luongo for Bertuzzi

[Sticks of Fury 0]

Everyone in the trade is replaceable but Luongo. Luongo makes or breaks a game. Best player in the trade. The rest are just fillers to make up the difference for Florida.

[PBRyan 0]

Luongo is a good goaltender but I really feel he thrives and is actually at his best when he is getting a lot of shots on him. I'm not sure if this will be the case next year in Vancouver depending on their upgrades, downgrades on D. Not sure how well he will do in the playoffs and clutch situations, but he is the best regular season goalie in the NHL in my opinion despite his rough start last year early.

I like the deal for both teams. While the Datsyuk deal might have been better on paper Florida's already got a good deal of Euro playmaking types (none of which are obviously the caliber of Datsyuk) and we all know Keenan is not one to trade, or draft for that matter, one way Europeans. I think Bert and Horton are gonna be a nasty 1st line 2nd line power forward1-2 punch. Stewart should be ready to step up next year to and he's an animal as well. Florida's got a nice mix of talent now as long as Niuwendyk and Roberts stay healthy and I for one really can't see this as a downgrade for Florida. Jokinen and Bert could be nasty together.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I think Gary Roberts is kind've an unknown in this situation. We look at Bert as an over the hill superstar who won't gain his form. The problem seems to be focus and motivation. That's where Roberts comes in. He seems to have knack for focusing on "underachievers" like O'Neill and turning their careers around. Maybe he can get Bert back on the path he was on before the "Moore incident". I think Florida grabbed what they could. It's not a great deal, but it gets them some decent players who can fill in immediately. Which is obviously what they want from the Niewy/Roberts/ Gelly signings of last year. I think this really hurts Van's offense though. I can't see Nazzy being the force he was without Bert and I still don't see the Sedin's as dominant players. I almost feel like both teams weakened their overall roster by making this trade. It'll be weird seeing Luongo in a VAN jersey.

[capes921 0]

i don't see how it helped either team that much, both got a great player but shipped out the one that kept them in the level of cup contentors. with them switching places it seems like neither one gained enough to get over their hurdles.

[Grinder 2]

No one can say that Nonis isn't afraid to shake things up. They just canned the assistant coaches, including one who's been with the organization for 18 years. That certainly seems to say that the changes starting are more than superficial.

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[Chadd 916]

I think Gary Roberts is kind've an unknown in this situation. We look at Bert as an over the hill superstar who won't gain his form. The problem seems to be focus and motivation. That's where Roberts comes in. He seems to have knack for focusing on "underachievers" like O'Neill and turning their careers around. Maybe he can get Bert back on the path he was on before the "Moore incident". I think Florida grabbed what they could. It's not a great deal, but it gets them some decent players who can fill in immediately. Which is obviously what they want from the Niewy/Roberts/ Gelly signings of last year. I think this really hurts Van's offense though. I can't see Nazzy being the force he was without Bert and I still don't see the Sedin's as dominant players. I almost feel like both teams weakened their overall roster by making this trade. It'll be weird seeing Luongo in a VAN jersey.

Excellent observation, the question is if Bertuzzi will listen to Roberts.

[jbyun04 7]

I wonder what Bert's gloves are going to look like now...

haha i was just wondering the exact same thing

Jokinen's pro Bauer 5000 gloves on hockeygiant were Navy/Silver so i'm guessing it won't change at all

when Bure got traded to florida he didn't have to chagne the colour of his BDPs either

[jrhky36 1]

Detroit wouldn't trade Datsyuk.  Or Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Yzerman for that matter.

don't be too sure about datysuk the rumors have already started here in det. a source (creditable) has said that he is already beinging shopped. as for zetterberg, lidstrom, and stevie y you are 100% correct. besides zetterberg is a helluva lot better that datysuk.

[Miike 1]

I wonder what Bert's gloves are going to look like now...

haha i was just wondering the exact same thing

Who cares that he got traded... everybody just wants to see his new gloves.

[Dougie8 0]

No one can say that Nonis isn't afraid to shake things up. They just canned the assistant coaches, including one who's been with the organization for 18 years. That certainly seems to say that the changes starting are more than superficial.

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I'm pretty positive Vigneualt(sp?) had the call on that one, and I think he wants to bring in his own Assistant coaches.

[J_kwan19 0]

I think this really hurts Van's offense though. I can't see Nazzy being the force he was without Bert and I still don't see the Sedin's as dominant players. I almost feel like both teams weakened their overall roster by making this trade. It'll be weird seeing Luongo in a VAN jersey.

I don't know if you watched the canucks a lot last year but Bert didnt do much at all for Nazzy. In fact Bert was always being seperated from Nazzy on to a different line because they weren't doing much. As for the Sedins, they were clearly the Canucks top line last year and dominated down low almost every time they were in the offensive zone.

[Eazy_b97 1]

All true, yet they didn't make the playoffs. Before, when Bert was on, they were a cup contender. I don't think it's a coincidence. It's just a question of whether the new coach would have been able to turn it around with that core.

[kosydar 0]

Detroit wouldn't trade Datsyuk.  Or Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Yzerman for that matter.

don't be too sure about datysuk the rumors have already started here in det. a source (creditable) has said that he is already beinging shopped. as for zetterberg, lidstrom, and stevie y you are 100% correct. besides zetterberg is a helluva lot better that datysuk.

Is that why Datsyuk has always had more points than Zetterberg? Zetterberg is a better pure goal scorer. Datsyuk is better overall.

And I know someone will bring up the playoffs from this year into the equation. I'm sorry, but scoring 3 points more, in addition to playing 1 more game, does not make someone a better player in the playoffs. One series shouldn't dictate that.

[jbyun04 7]

  I still don't see the Sedin's as dominant players.

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are you sure? Everytime we were on the powerplay and the bigline was out they hardly did anything and with 1 min or less left in the powerplay the twins & carter were put on and there was usually a goal scored

[Duder84 0]

sedins and carter are good, i'll give them that, but i don't know if they can carry a team the way naslund and bertuzzi did....i just never get the feeling that the sedin could do that, i know they've scored their fair share of game winners...

[Eazy_b97 1]

are you sure? Everytime we were on the powerplay and the bigline was out they hardly did anything and with 1 min or less left in the powerplay the twins & carter were put on and there was usually a goal scored

I'm not completely sure that they aren't a dominant line at times, but I am sure I don't think of them as a consistantly dominant line which can compete with the majority of other teams #1 lines. Because they were better than a bad Bert/Nassy combo doesn't make them dominant. I wouldn't be excited having those 2 on my first line going into the season. Not expecting to make a splash in the playoffs at least.

[Chadd 916]

sedins and carter are good, i'll give them that, but i don't know if they can carry a team the way naslund and bertuzzi did....i just never get the feeling that the sedin could do that, i know they've scored their fair share of game winners...

They carried the team for most of this past season. I do agree that dominant isn't the right word for them, but they were the best line on the team.

[jrhky36 1]

Detroit wouldn't trade Datsyuk.  Or Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Yzerman for that matter.

don't be too sure about datysuk the rumors have already started here in det. a source (creditable) has said that he is already beinging shopped. as for zetterberg, lidstrom, and stevie y you are 100% correct. besides zetterberg is a helluva lot better that datysuk.

Is that why Datsyuk has always had more points than Zetterberg? Zetterberg is a better pure goal scorer. Datsyuk is better overall.

And I know someone will bring up the playoffs from this year into the equation. I'm sorry, but scoring 3 points more, in addition to playing 1 more game, does not make someone a better player in the playoffs. One series shouldn't dictate that.

datysuk has created some problem wiht how he handled his contract last summer. zetterberg is a better alround player. the wings are intrested in keeping him that sergei jr. beside the won't have the money next year to sign him(ufa). datysuk has disapreared in the playoffs were as hank shows up every nite and plays his heart out.

[odp 0]

  I still don't see the Sedin's as dominant players.

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are you sure? Everytime we were on the powerplay and the bigline was out they hardly did anything and with 1 min or less left in the powerplay the twins & carter were put on and there was usually a goal scored

Don't forget that the big line was usually going up against the #1 defensive pairing and #1 penalty killers every night, until the end of the season when teams figured out how good the second line was.

[thunderbirds_are_go 0]

and lastly

What does this mean for Ed Jovanovski? Heavily rumoured to go to Florida for personal reasons. I strongly doubt he wants to go right back into the same dressing room of exteamate Todd Bertuzzi. I strongly wonder if Nonis sneaked in this hidden part into the deal. The only place Jovo has been rumoured to go is Florida, now that he sees that Nonis is serious about building a winner I wouldn't been suprised to see him remain in Vancouver. Now if the Canucks can get some scoring help to replace Bertuzzi watch out!!

Found this on Spectors' Trade Rumors

"Canwest News Service was reporting on Sunday that Ed Jovanovski is flying down to Miami with his good friend Todd Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi was quoted as saying he is going to try and convince Ed to sign with the Panthers."

Just because a guy is considered a cancer in the locker room doesn't mean there aren't any players he doesn't get on with. Could this be Keenan's real reason for the trade?

[jbyun04 7]

and lastly

What does this mean for Ed Jovanovski? Heavily rumoured to go to Florida for personal reasons. I strongly doubt he wants to go right back into the same dressing room of exteamate Todd Bertuzzi. I strongly wonder if Nonis sneaked in this hidden part into the deal. The only place Jovo has been rumoured to go is Florida, now that he sees that Nonis is serious about building a winner I wouldn't been suprised to see him remain in Vancouver. Now if the Canucks can get some scoring help to replace Bertuzzi watch out!!

Found this on Spectors' Trade Rumors

"Canwest News Service was reporting on Sunday that Ed Jovanovski is flying down to Miami with his good friend Todd Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi was quoted as saying he is going to try and convince Ed to sign with the Panthers."

Just because a guy is considered a cancer in the locker room doesn't mean there aren't any players he doesn't get on with. Could this be Keenan's real reason for the trade?

wouldn't be surprised if bertuzzi came back to vancouver in the next few seasons but if he doesn't no biggie

i could really see jovo not signing with the nucks but seeing as to how we have luongo now that could really change his perspective on things although he was really good friends with all the guys like cloutier and beruzzi

good chance for him signing here but an even better chance of him signing elsewhere like florida

[kosydar 0]

Detroit wouldn't trade Datsyuk.  Or Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Yzerman for that matter.

don't be too sure about datysuk the rumors have already started here in det. a source (creditable) has said that he is already beinging shopped. as for zetterberg, lidstrom, and stevie y you are 100% correct. besides zetterberg is a helluva lot better that datysuk.

Is that why Datsyuk has always had more points than Zetterberg? Zetterberg is a better pure goal scorer. Datsyuk is better overall.

And I know someone will bring up the playoffs from this year into the equation. I'm sorry, but scoring 3 points more, in addition to playing 1 more game, does not make someone a better player in the playoffs. One series shouldn't dictate that.

datysuk has created some problem wiht how he handled his contract last summer. zetterberg is a better alround player. the wings are intrested in keeping him that sergei jr. beside the won't have the money next year to sign him(ufa). datysuk has disapreared in the playoffs were as hank shows up every nite and plays his heart out.

Datsyuk is better, I've never thought it was debatable. Numbers prove it. I like Hank a lot, so that isn't why I'm saying this. I like them equally, so no bias is in this. Datsyuk has proven to be a better performer. Like I said earlier, 2 points in 1 more playoff game doesn't mean anything to me. One series doesn't mean anything. The fact of the matter is that all the Wings played like garbage this post season. I don't understand this.

r. the wings are intrested in keeping him that sergei jr. beside the won't have the money next year to sign him(ufa).