Sprung Hockey

[cj190 0]

Excellent looking skates. I am going with Sprung frames next.

[mattzilla 0]

yeah me too, but i just bought wicked3s so its gonna be a little while

[iceburg19 1]

when you guys get the frames,have them soak for a day while your laying out the boot.although i havent soaked my easton/sprung skate yet they are still very solid.i do plan on soaking before the next game.

[philatangy 0]

I would think that soaking the frame would dry out the palstic and make it more brittle? Is this not the case? Where the MSH scientists at?

[mattzilla 0]

the sprung guy (owner?inventor?) whos here said soaking them actually makes them a lot stronger.

[gee2626 0]

I would think that soaking the frame would dry out the palstic and make it more brittle? Is this not the case? Where the MSH scientists at?

Your theory is very counterintuitive.

Soaking the frame, my guess, would allow the plastic material to absorb water molecules, making the plastic more stable and stronger.

[sdcopp 1]

repeated soaking is beneficial. In a very dry climate the occasional soaking is not beneficial because the plastic will eventually dry back out and be suspect to breakage.

If you really want to get a chemistry lesson, lookup nylon plastic and then osmosis. Basically, the water flow works both ways and when you add excess water it does help to strengthen the material, but the water escapes trying to achieve equilibrium with it's surroundings and requiring more frequent soakings than in a more humid climate.

[Billy G 0]

well my boss used the sprung frames and he has them on some bauer boot cant remember the name of them. he loves them. and thats coming from a player who has over $1000 on his feet with a Mission Wicked 1 frame on a synergy 1500s ice boot. there some pretty bad ass skates. he still uses the sprung frames outdoors. so from what ive seem i give them two thumbs up.

[philatangy 0]

I would think that soaking the frame would dry out the palstic and make it more brittle? Is this not the case? Where the MSH scientists at?

Your theory is very counterintuitive.

Soaking the frame, my guess, would allow the plastic material to absorb water molecules, making the plastic more stable and stronger.

Just playing devil's advocate, I am really not sure either way, and would like to know.

[Sprungster 5]

I would think that soaking the frame would dry out the palstic and make it more brittle? Is this not the case? Where the MSH scientists at?

Your theory is very counterintuitive.

Soaking the frame, my guess, would allow the plastic material to absorb water molecules, making the plastic more stable and strong

Just playing devil's advocate, I am really not sure either way, and would like to know.

But you're right. Nylon is like really hard cloth. It absorbs and looses water into the air. When it has it's happy amount of water, it's more resilient and can flex and recover from impact and sudden force much better than when it's dry and more brittle.

All of our testing indicates that there's enough beef in the new model to overcome this property of the material. My intention while developing the frames was to start out as light as possible and only add material when it was absolutely necessary. The old model is right on the edge, and in that fact is like much of todays hockey products. I didn't feel comfortable with that and went for a touch heavier with more durability and better performance.

Since there was no history for this product to stand on everything has been first time. I'm personally amazed that they could continue to improve their performance so much with each modification.

I wish that nano technology was a few years closer. There are new lightweight metals coming up that will revolutionize many industries. This product is ready for it right now. I have several generations of design sitting in my sketch books, and they'll probably all get out there eventually.

[sdcopp 1]

has Titanium or Magnesium Alloy been a consideration then? Both tout better strength to weight ratios than aluminum of any grade from what I remember.

[Jim A 4]

Light is nice...but we are talking about ounces here...

titanium has been used in the past..typically you need more of it to provide enough stiffness...(ie. why the best sprinters don't use a Ti bike in cycling..it gets noodly)

Mg is used in Red Star (Alloy) and now with recent Mission frames...for alloy type frames we will continue to see a mix of elements come into play that allow it to be somewhat lighter and stiffer ...again you can look to the cycling industry (the Red Star frame came out of a collaboration with Specialized) and some of the Alloy's they use to see what is going to be on the horizon...

[hockeysc23 0]

Just purchased a set of the old sprungs. I cannot wait to first mount them on my old Bauer Vapor 6 boots, replacing the old idea of the rocker with the new one! Then if I like them on to my PF10's and eventually Ovechkin 10SE's. Cannot wait!

Thanks to all the help from everyone on here.

Scott

[Sprungster 5]

Light is nice...but we are talking about ounces here...

titanium has been used in the past..typically you need more of it to provide enough stiffness...(ie. why the best sprinters don't use a Ti bike in cycling..it gets noodly)

Mg is used in Red Star (Alloy) and now with recent Mission frames...for alloy type frames we will continue to see a mix of elements come into play that allow it to be somewhat lighter and stiffer ...again you can look to the cycling industry (the Red Star frame came out of a collaboration with Specialized) and some of the Alloy's they use to see what is going to be on the horizon...

Magnesium/aluminum alloy is common, but it's more brittle than pure aluminum and the walls have to be quite a bit thicker than aluminum to function. We're looking at the costs of doing a mag alloy frame that would look pretty much the same as the new model. The setup cost is around five times what our plastic moulds and tools are. And the cost of the frame will have to go up, but there's room for a premium model at the top. It won't be ridiculous in cost, and a lot of players already want it.

Titanium manufacturing is into the stupidly expensive zone, and would simply make the frames too expensive for the market. Speed skating is the only area that can afford the costs, and it's what we plan on using in that category as soon as we can.

We're already into the most exotic plastics on the market, and we're looking at material that's used in jet fighters and Russian guns. This will be a premium frame too, because the material is about five times the cost of the expensive stuff we're already using. These frames are just about the hardest product to make in the world because of the weight vs abuse factor in roller hockey.

And there's nobody to knock off but ourselves!

[sdcopp 1]

Titanium is not necessarily more expensive than aluminum/carbon fiber uses as cyclocross frames and forks have shown. A guy I worked with a few years back now runs his own business producing Titanium frames, forks, etc that are priced competitively with alum/cf built bikes for road, cyclocross, time trial, triathlon, touring, etc. Experts in that field were surprised how stiff and responsive the product was. It's certainly been a curiousity of mine why more alternative materials have never been looked at seriously since a decade ago.

[iceburg19 1]

so should we soak the new voodoo sprung frames also?

[Vishi05 0]

I ordered them back on the 24th of Jan, about how long do they take to send out?

[Rick 0]

Guys, I'm not trying to change the thread topic because I have really enjoyed reading all the Sprung info here and a Sprung set-up may be in my future at some point but the mention of Titanium is interesting. I may be wrong but I have a set of Labeda Pro/MVP frames that I believe was the first HI/LO frame design Labeda made. This is from the mid 90's if memory serves correctly and when I purchased them, mail order, and custom mounted to Bauer boots the guy told me they were made of Titanium. I don't know if this is true and I have never seen another pair anywhere. When I got back into hockey after a long layoff I started hearing about Magnesium frames and the Sprung set-up so I don't know if I have something unique or not. These frames are a strange brown/dark copper color with silver/chrome graphics that read Labeda MVP Pro Hi/Lo 80-72 but they don't say Titanium anywhere. They look just like the Sensor frame as far as shape ect.....

Maybe someone here knows what these are...

Rick Henry

[hockeysc23 0]

so should we soak the new voodoo sprung frames also?

Edited: I was misinformed please read below!

Scott

[Sprungster 5]

so should we soak the new voodoo sprung frames also?

I believe from what I have read is the new frames need to be soaked. Not the old ones.

Scott

It's the old ones more than the new ones. The new ones need it less, because they're stronger all over and therefore not bothered as much by the moisture content. I'm going to do the damp towel thing to mine anyway. Not a lot of work!

The new model weighs 9.5 ozs per frame, and I'm experimenting with removing some plastic from the top to cut some weight for the Obsessed out there. If it works out OK, I'll post some pictures and the amount of weight saved.

The large already has these reductions designed into it. I have two very good plastic engineers working on this with me, and they both think I can trim some fat. These are things that players can do themselves with a Dremel. Just like hot rods.

[hockeysc23 0]

so should we soak the new voodoo sprung frames also?

I believe from what I have read is the new frames need to be soaked. Not the old ones.

Scott

It's the old ones more than the new ones. The new ones need it less, because they're stronger all over and therefore not bothered as much by the moisture content. I'm going to do the damp towel thing to mine anyway. Not a lot of work!

NM. Sorry for the bad passing of info. I will be soaking my old ones as soon as they arrive. Cannot wait!

[hockeysc23 0]

Has anyone mounted their sprungs on One90s and can give feedback on how they fit and would they recommend them?

[Sprungster 5]

Has anyone mounted their sprungs on One90s and can give feedback on how they fit and would they recommend them?

I have them on One70s and Love them. It was an easy mount. One front mount hole was partly over the no sole zone in the center of the front, but I just leveled it with the same two-part epoxy I used to fill the old ice holder holes. There's a picture of them somewhere on the thread.

One90s can only be better!!

[phs hockey 21 0]

has anyone mounted a pair of sprungs on a tour boot? such as a blue max, red max, e-2 or code 1?

[hockeysc23 0]

Has anyone mounted their sprungs on One90s and can give feedback on how they fit and would they recommend them?

I have them on One70s and Love them. It was an easy mount. One front mount hole was partly over the no sole zone in the center of the front, but I just leveled it with the same two-part epoxy I used to fill the old ice holder holes. There's a picture of them somewhere on the thread.

One90s can only be better!!

Thanks. I will go back through the thread and see if I can find the pics. Do you have any pics you can either PM or email me (secannon@gmail.com) of the part you had to epoxy? I got a set of the old sprungs and was going to put them on my old Vapors and if I liked the transition getting the new sprungs on One90s or One70s.

Scott