Crosby How Long With Penguins?

[gp3r 0]

QUOTE (Theo @ Jul 27 2006, 10:33 AM)

How are they going to pay all these players in 2-3, etc years? I can see Malkin, Crosby, Fleury demanding top tier payoffs fairly shortly. (Fleury more of a wildcard depending on how he develops, but you all see my point). 

Exactly. They'll end up like the Sens and the Lightning. The salary cap will definitely prevent dynasties from being built in the long run.

I think so too. I think it's gonna very hard to keep all the good young players on the same team for a long time.

One thing that could maybe prevent that is to have the Franchise Player clause, like the NFL. So that way, teams could build good teams around their key player, since his salary would not count in the salary cap. So that way, teams could actually put more money ni biulding teams, and keeping most of their key players around.

Anyway, the NHL has to find a way so that great teams are built from great drafting, not great spending.

[Eazy_b97 1]

If you draft a great player, you have a superstar on your roster for next to nothing so you can compliment him really well. That's your reward. Look at Crosby and Ovechkin, two of the better players in the league that make well under their "value".

Tampa made there bed, I don't feel sorry for them at all. I think Ottawa was in a tough spot and they were faced with a difficult choice. Go for it, or keep the franchise strong and hurt their current years chances. Had they traded Havlat and Chara at the start of the season, they could've gotten some high picks and good young talent in return. They'd be better off then they are at this moment in time. If Pitts plays their cards well they'll build a strong foundation, realize that they only have so much to spend, and unload Malkin/Whitney/Staal a year or two before they get their cash and upgrade their overall line-up. It's alot easier said than done though.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Does anyone else think Fleury will be a playoff bust. TurcoLite if you will.

He has crumbled in pretty much every playoff series he has been in as a pro

Doesn't he have to actually do something in the regular season before he can become a playoff bust?

I was talking about the AHL and the national games

[Eazy_b97 1]

Eazy...How many times do draft picks come straight into the league and become instant stars as Crosby, Ovechkin, Lundqvist, etc have this season? Not to mention this season was a mix of two years of rookies. It usually takes them a while to develop and by that time their price is jacked up a tad. Also to add that these players usually join teams with garbage records so it doesn't usually work out that well in terms of injecting them in a lineup, buying other players, and the team becoming an instant success- All while that rookie is being paid 850k or whatever.

It's a sliding scale though. If you draft well, you should have a consistent flow of talented younger players who haven't hit the UFA market where they earn the huge cash.

[Eazy_b97 1]

So management becomes even more important, which I don't mind at all.

[Eazy_b97 1]

What are the other options? What could fix the issue?

[kosydar 0]

What are the other options? What could fix the issue?

Get rid of the salary cap.

[peter 0]

I'am just hoping that crosby will come to a Canadian team next?

[Hockeyman9621 0]

I'am just hoping that crosby will come to a Canadian team next?

That grammar is ridiculously close to roostingmx......

[pantherfan 0]

There was somthing similar in the Jeans thread about Stitches jeans being "Gangster"

[Eazy_b97 1]

Get rid of the salary cap.

Because it was nice to good drafting teams? They need the cash to keep up with the big guns as well in that scenario.

[kosydar 0]

But now it seems like it will be almost impossible to build a team that will somewhat resemble that same team in five years. In defense of Ottawa (you'll never hear this from me again), why shouldn't they be able to retain most of their team for a few more seasons? Christ, the majority of their stars are under 30. They sucked for many years and took that time to build a team of the future. Now that that time is here for them, all of a sudden they aren't able to keep half of their guys.

The 01-02 Red Wings team is without a doubt the best team that I've ever seen assembled. Its sad that another team like that will never exist. I miss the days where the big market UFAs went to the big market teams who could afford them.

The introduction of the salary cap will ultimately make it so that there are no teams which are constantly good year after year. Is this whats good for hockey? Is it good that the Red Wings, the Avalanche, the Flyers, the Senators, the Devils won't make the playoffs in a few years? Is it good that a small market team like Carolina won the Cup and will likely disappear within the next few seasons? I don't think so. But then again I don't support small market teams in the NHL. This will only make drafting more important in my opinion. Because once a player like Havlat, Briere, etc. goes to arbitration and gets a big reward, you know you'll be forced to let him walk after that season, and your only affordable option is to replace him from within.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Is it any different than watching teams which had the potential to be dynasties torn apart because of financial restraints?

[kosydar 0]

Like who?

[Eazy_b97 1]

Edmonton comes to mind relatively quickly. Having to flip players like Carter, Weights, Cujo, Arnott, Guerin, etc..

[kosydar 0]

I guess there is no difference between the two. Having teams like that in the league is frustrating for everyone involved. Having to let players of that caliber go is something every GM dreads. But its teams like that that made sure there was a salary cap in the new CBA, which ultimately hurts the big market teams. Teams like that being in the NHL present a lose-lose situation for themselves and other teams.

[Chadd 916]

Using a luxury tax type system it would allow the big money teams to spend more and give small or mid market teams a chance to keep a core group together for one more year. If revenues are even or regress a little, all hell is going to break loose at the end of next season.

[peter 0]

lol it seems we ran way off track...

the choo-choo train has crashed

[Cavs019 708]

What?

[Adam91 0]

What?

Don't worry about it. None of his posts make any sense at all

[kosydar 0]

If Igor says it, it must be true.

Would you have liked to play under the current NHL rules?

Yeah, that would've been nice. I was thinking last year of coming back, but I thought 27 years was enough. At the beginning I wasn't sure about the rule changes — so many penalties, so many calls. It's opened up the game, but I still think there are too many teams. ... I don't want to mention any teams, but it's a waste of money to watch them.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...l=1044442957278

[kenneth 5]

The cap should stay and it is the NHLPA's fault that the cap level is where it is at. They had much better offer but held out too long and finally settled. The only think i would like to see if maybe modify the cap a bit to be more inline like the NFL where you can have a franchise tag on a player and the ability to go over the cap to resign restricted players. Jersey drafts very well and builds good teams and I felt at the ideal model of building a team. Because where it is at right now you will have too many rent a players and this can already be seen with everyone signing only 1-2 year deals and so many players relocating.