Ovechkin forced to change visor

[Fury of One 6]

I'm a Devils fan and I agree he's not as good as some people make him out to be. But that is a lame excuse. Hossa and Kovalchuk were regular visors, well Hossa's is slightly tinted, but yet he can't stop them from making him look stupid or Crosby for that matter. He should focus on how to stop goals through his 5 hole. I think Marty's string is showing. ;)

[Hidious 0]

Maybe Marty's being so moody because he's running out of sisters-in-law

Ouhhhhh, that's in marty's face, low hit :)

He writes an editorial every week i think in the Montreal's newspaper and he whines about everything, everytime

[G60 0]

He writes an editorial every week i think in the Montreal's newspaper and he whines about everything, everytime

has he ever done one about how pissed he is someone stole his lucky charms?

[tsiarls79 0]

Brodeurs so GAY and a crybaby

since avs9119 said it already, then he may want so see ovie's eyes for a different reason.....

[jbyun04 7]

Brodeurs so GAY and a crybaby

since avs9119 said it already, then he may want so see ovie's eyes for a different reason.....

you don't mean....

[Langenbrunner15 0]

that's just messed up.

[DarkStar50 679]

The best thing about being very good is everybody complains about you. Nobody complains about guys who suck.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Sorry, but I am with the others...Brodeur benefitted from the Devils' style of play and their ability to allow small amounts of low-percentage shots.

Everyone knows how to beat him anyway...the wraparound.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

He took advantage of what was brought to him. That is what a great player does.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

No, it's what a good player uses to make themselves look better. Let's not mention Tom Brady.

[DarkStar50 679]

Yes, don't mention Tom Brady and Brodeur, unless you are talking about guys with 3 championship rings.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

I am going to have to disagree with you. If you have the trap, and do it effectively, why not use it? If you don't use it, your dumb. The better players will take advantage of what they can. If a player knows that the goalie is weak to the glove side, do you even think for one secound that he's going to say " hey, if I shoot to his glove side, since he weak there, it's to easy, let me go blocker side where he is probably going to stop it." I don't think so, hes going to go glove side.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Yes, don't mention Tom Brady and Brodeur, unless you are talking about guys with 3 championship rings.

Last I checked, it's a team sport. Look at Brady at Michigan or Montana at Notre Dame...nothing special...but put in the right team system and they became "great." If Brodeur was SO great, why did it take him so long to win individual awards? Took him 11 years to win a Vezina.

I am going to have to disagree with you. If you have the trap, and do it effectively, why not use it? If you don't use it, your dumb. The better players will take advantage of what they can. If a player knows that the goalie is weak to the glove side, do you even think for one secound that he's going to say " hey, if I shoot to his glove side, since he weak there, it's to easy, let me go blocker side where he is probably going to stop it." I don't think so, hes going to go glove side.

Yeah, and it ruined the sport for everyone else.

[DarkStar50 679]

The trap was around for a long time before it ruined the sport. Lemaire ran the trap when he coached the Habs in the 80s. Check shots on goal totals from mid 80s games with the Habs. He was doing it then. Why did it take until 1995 for everyone to say it was so bad? Its a system that worked whether the fans like it or not. Yes, it screwed up the game but it wasn't against or outside of the rules.

Hockey and football are team sports. Some positions on the team are more important than others.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

I never said it was outside of the rules, and I am not bashing Lemaire for using it. Yes, the trap has bene used since the 70s, but with the bigger players and the constant need to clutch and grab it ended up affecting the entire league.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

JR, watch a few older games on youtube or whatever, there was a lot more cluthing and grabbing back then WITH the trap, than when the devils started using the trap. If any other team used the trap correctly, there would be bashing of them, but the devils were the only team to do it the best, and win cups that way.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

I've been watching hockey games before you were born. No need for YouTube - I saw them live. I'm 29. Not as old as DS though :)

I'm tired of having this discussion with Devils fans.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

Than you can agree, there was more clutching and grabbing before the devils started to use the trap?

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

No.

There was more skill in the older days. With more teams in the league after the early 90s expansion, rosters were thin on overall talent.

[DarkStar50 679]

I'm so old I had already been playing for 10 years before Tuuks were even invented!

[Eazy_b97 1]

The best thing about being very good is everybody complains about you. Nobody complains about guys who suck.

I disagree and would like to submit Derrian Hatcher and Jyrki Lumme as examples a and b.

I am going to have to disagree with you. If you have the trap, and do it effectively, why not use it? If you don't use it, your dumb. The better players will take advantage of what they can. If a player knows that the goalie is weak to the glove side, do you even think for one secound that he's going to say " hey, if I shoot to his glove side, since he weak there, it's to easy, let me go blocker side where he is probably going to stop it." I don't think so, hes going to go glove side.

It's not about exploiting a weakness, it was about using a system to bring down the talent in the league. The trap was used for offense until the Devils got a hold of it. They slowly adapted it to alter the way games were called. What they did now and then always has been illegal in the eys of the leagues. It's a shame Lou's so "in" with the league now because the trap is making a comeback in the NNHL.

I never said it was outside of the rules, and I am not bashing Lemaire for using it. Yes, the trap has bene used since the 70s, but with the bigger players and the constant need to clutch and grab it ended up affecting the entire league.

The trap then and the Devils trap of '95 was very different and implemented in a different way. I'll go ahead and say the way the Devils used the trap was outside the rules, they just played on the lackluster calls in the NHL at that point in time. Now their system is slightly different, but they still deserve a ton of interference and hooking calls that go unnoticed because they know how to play around the obvious calls that the NNHL focuses on. Good for them, bad for the NHL though.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

I'm so old I had already been playing for 10 years before Tuuks were even invented!

I heard they used to use Woolly Mammoths with wet towels behind it instead of Zambonis in them days.

[Langenbrunner15 0]

Eazy, the trap was the weakness of the league though. They used what they could to their advantage, as every team would if they could. No doubt, it ruined the league scoring, but I think it was in 95, the devils had the scoring lead, so they played the trap to a defensive aspect, and won games. Jus as the saying goes, defense wins games.

No.

There was more skill in the older days. With more teams in the league after the early 90s expansion, rosters were thin on overall talent.

Well, with the games I saw on youtube..there was much more grrabbing and holding along the boards and in the crease than in 95'.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Actually the saying goes, "Offense wins games but defense wins championships."

I still believe if the season would've started on time that year they wouldn't have won. Guys were not in shape as the season started in January. As the saying goes, anything can happen in a short series...er...season.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I've never said they didn't win or use it effectively. I've said it was illegal, and had it been inforced from the start it wouldn't be known as a "trap" it'd be more like the initial system of the torpedo. It wasn't the weakness of the league till the Devils implemented it.