Alfredsson's shot on Niedermayer

[bombit 0]

What has Alfredsson done to deserve such hate? He's not even close to being "one of the biggest pieces of shit in the league."

The fake stick throw, guaranteeing the cup, breaking Tucker's collarbone on a brutal hit from behind, running Tallinder from behind, trying to sword fight Domi instead of fighting. These are the ones off the top of my head and mostly just Leafs based.

1. Stick throw was in response to Sundin's throw into the crowd. I thought it was pretty funny.

2. Heaven forbid a captain show confidence in his team, I only wish Markus Naslund could be as inspirational.

3. Nothing to say here, Tucker is simply miles ahead of Alfredsson in the class department.

4. I don't think the hit on Tallinder was malicious in intent, but it should have warranted a boarding call.

5. Tie Domi? His elbow on Niedermayer is possibly the biggest cheapshot I've ever seen in the playoffs.

I'm not a Sens fan, I just like calling out Leafs fans jumping on the Alfredsson hate-wagon. :P

[Eazy_b97 1]

Actually I don't really mind Alfie, just highlight the reasons he is considered classless.

1. I know why, I just dont agree with it.

2. If you guarantee it, back it up

3. You have nothing to say because it was a dirty hit on a player you don't like.

4. I agree, debatable.

5. Domi's class. Great. No argument, so now players can do what they want to him?

The poster asked why people think he's a POS, I gave a handful of reasons which I have seen. I'm not a Sens fan, I don't watch all 82 of their games , but I am sure there are more. Since I watch more Leafs games, I see more things when he plays them.

I don't really get the "calling out" considering you're trying to justify the actions and aren't able to put bias aside and just only the actions. Usually thats what people are called out for.

[D aka speck 0]

At what point do the coaches, managers and team owners take some responsibity?

If you stop and look at just how many B.S. cheapshots there are in the league during any given season, it seems kind of tough for the NHL to control. I'm not defending the league here, I'm just saying that I don't think there's a whole lot they can do right now.

Pronger has been suspended twice. Alfie's taking a lot of warranted flack. But, I'm going to make a guess here... this thread will quickly evolve into "Tootoo's a POS" shortly after next season starts. I use Tootoo as an example because he seems to enjoy the penalty box.

Simply put, there's no real consequences for guys that lose control, if the teams start doing something maybe the players will start rethinking thier actions. I don't think any of those guys want to go back to the AHL for a while.

[Chadd 916]

At what point do the coaches, managers and team owners take some responsibity?

If you stop and look at just how many B.S. cheapshots there are in the league during any given season, it seems kind of tough for the NHL to control. I'm not defending the league here, I'm just saying that I don't think there's a whole lot they can do right now.

It's not hard at all, it just takes a desire to do so. They watch every game in Toronto as it is now. Adding the following steps will add a few hours a day so they may need to hire one more person to watch and edit tape.

Step 1:

Put out a tape at the start of training camp showing hits that will not be tolerated this year.

Step 2:

Jot down the time reference for any questionable plays that they see during the game.

Step 3:

Review the questionable hits and make a list of those who should be suspended.

Step 4:

Forward the list to Colin Campbell's replacement.

Step 5:

Remain consistent all season

Players will get the message very quickly when they start missing games without pay. As long as they don't forget step 5, it's not hard to implement. The NHL will have a bit more of a time crunch than the NFL, but it works for that league. As much as football bores me, the NFL has done a much better job of managing their officials and their rules than the NHL has done and their game has benefited greatly from it.

[donkey87 0]

At what point do the coaches, managers and team owners take some responsibity?

If you stop and look at just how many B.S. cheapshots there are in the league during any given season, it seems kind of tough for the NHL to control. I'm not defending the league here, I'm just saying that I don't think there's a whole lot they can do right now.

It's not hard at all, it just takes a desire to do so. They watch every game in Toronto as it is now. Adding the following steps will add a few hours a day so they may need to hire one more person to watch and edit tape.

Step 1:

Put out a tape at the start of training camp showing hits that will not be tolerated this year.

Step 2:

Jot down the time reference for any questionable plays that they see during the game.

Step 3:

Review the questionable hits and make a list of those who should be suspended.

Step 4:

Forward the list to Colin Campbell's replacement.

Step 5:

Remain consistent all season

Players will get the message very quickly when they start missing games without pay. As long as they don't forget step 5, it's not hard to implement. The NHL will have a bit more of a time crunch than the NFL, but it works for that league. As much as football bores me, the NFL has done a much better job of managing their officials and their rules than the NHL has done and their game has benefited greatly from it.

You need to add another step to that list.

Step 6: Remain consistent throughout the playoffs.

It seems that as soon as the playoffs start the refs start using a completely different rule book. Why bother setting new standards during the regular season if you're not going to use them in the playoffs.

[Chadd 916]

Just look at the playoffs and see that the team most willing to break the rules is the one about to win the championship.

[Dare to Dream 1980 0]

You know after watching the replay of it over and over, if you look at where he was first going to shoot it, it was going to be at the other ducks defenseman-it kinda of looks like he turned so he didnt hit him-BUT if he did do it on purpose he still wont get suspended

[mattopiela 0]

Holy !

I can't believe this is getting so much attention, because really its not that big of a deal. If that would have happen midway throught the period no one would give a shit and say he was just dumping the puck inn. The only reason is because it was Niedermeyer. If Alfie would have shot it down he could of hit the other player or Giguerre and it would stir up the same reaction as it would have been considered a late shot.

Like people he did nothing wrong. Where did Niedermeyer get the shot ? It wasn't even close to his face or upper body, so he got hit with a shot boo hoo ask Volchenkov how he feels about that.

Hey I hope Aneheim targets Alfie and take some dumb roughing penalties.

I really love how all the Aneheim players are so mad about Alfie, yet they back up mr pronger, makes them look a little silly.

To all the people bashing Alfie please, you probably haven't watched more then 15 sens games to this day. The guy gets bashed for all the wrong reason, mainly because hes playing on such a high profile team and all eyes are always on the sens. To question his leadership and calling him classes is playin stupid and ignorant, the guy is a workhorse and hes a good leader. I think people expect him to lead Ottawa to the cup each year, sad thing is when he does the rest of the guys seem to take a week off. He led Ottawa to 10 straing playoff apperances, a conference final and a stanley cup final, thats more then the other 85% of other or so captians in the league have done.

[DarkStar50 679]

I think both teams in the Finals are very willing to break the rules. Its up to the referees to decide if they are, not the players.

Wasn't the other player Pahlsson, a fellow Swede?

[mack 44]

That's like saying "If McAmmond could skate, he wouldn't have taken an "elbow" to the head and been hurt."

[crazykeeper3317 0]

Holy !

I can't believe this is getting so much attention, because really its not that big of a deal. If that would have happen midway throught the period no one would give a shit and say he was just dumping the puck inn. The only reason is because it was Niedermeyer. If Alfie would have shot it down he could of hit the other player or Giguerre and it would stir up the same reaction as it would have been considered a late shot.

Like people he did nothing wrong. Where did Niedermeyer get the shot ? It wasn't even close to his face or upper body, so he got hit with a shot boo hoo ask Volchenkov how he feels about that.

Hey I hope Aneheim targets Alfie and take some dumb roughing penalties.

I really love how all the Aneheim players are so mad about Alfie, yet they back up mr pronger, makes them look a little silly.

To all the people bashing Alfie please, you probably haven't watched more then 15 sens games to this day. The guy gets bashed for all the wrong reason, mainly because hes playing on such a high profile team. To question his leadership and calling him classes is playin stupid and ignorant, the quy is a workhorse and hes a good leader. I think people expect him to lead Ottawa to the cup each year, sad thing is when he does the rest of the guys seem to take a week off.

the reason its atracting attention isnt because it was a late shot, the fact is it was clear he changed his shot and took aim at a player which is a stupid iresponsible play and a professional should know better!!!

[mattopiela 0]

That's like saying "If McAmmond could skate, he wouldn't have taken an "elbow" to the head and been hurt."

For your info McAmmond can skate and pretty well actually, and I'll take a shot in the body over an elbow in the face anyday.

Its like what would u rahter get shot with a paintball gun or an actual gun ?

[mack 44]

It's the intent of it that's the problem, not the actual effect it has on a player. Out of the three bitchy moves pulled in the Finals (Neil, Pronger, Alfredsson) the two from Ottawa have had intent behind it yet aren't suspended. It's shameful.

[mattopiela 0]

Holy !

I can't believe this is getting so much attention, because really its not that big of a deal. If that would have happen midway throught the period no one would give a shit and say he was just dumping the puck inn. The only reason is because it was Niedermeyer. If Alfie would have shot it down he could of hit the other player or Giguerre and it would stir up the same reaction as it would have been considered a late shot.

Like people he did nothing wrong. Where did Niedermeyer get the shot ? It wasn't even close to his face or upper body, so he got hit with a shot boo hoo ask Volchenkov how he feels about that.

Hey I hope Aneheim targets Alfie and take some dumb roughing penalties.

I really love how all the Aneheim players are so mad about Alfie, yet they back up mr pronger, makes them look a little silly.

To all the people bashing Alfie please, you probably haven't watched more then 15 sens games to this day. The guy gets bashed for all the wrong reason, mainly because hes playing on such a high profile team. To question his leadership and calling him classes is playin stupid and ignorant, the quy is a workhorse and hes a good leader. I think people expect him to lead Ottawa to the cup each year, sad thing is when he does the rest of the guys seem to take a week off.

the reason its atracting attention isnt because it was a late shot, the fact is it was clear he changed his shot and took aim at a player which is a stupid iresponsible play and a professional should know better!!!

And if he would have shot it straigh and hit the other guy what would you say then ? What if he adjusted the shot because the other guy was there ? Really think about that. If Alfie wanted to hurt him he damn well would aim for the face and cranck it a little harder.

Like I know no ones mind is going to be changed on this, but I just think its a little ridiculous when I hear people say Prongers elbow was ok n this is gettin blown up like this.

[mack 44]

Thing is an overwhelming majority of people have said that Pronger's elbow wasn't okay. Compared to Neil's I'd say it's "okay" but that's only relative. It's also not as pre-meditated like Alfredsson capping a puck at someone, too.

[mattopiela 0]

It's the intent of it that's the problem, not the actual effect it has on a player. Out of the three bitchy moves pulled in the Finals (Neil, Pronger, Alfredsson) the two from Ottawa have had intent behind it yet aren't suspended. It's shameful.

And you seem to forget the elbow that was layed out on Comrie.

The problem is you and I don't know the intent of those actions, only the players do, and really unlike Pronger, Neil and Alfie didn't hurt anyone.

[mack 44]

Of course we don't know what's literally going on in their heads, but look at the tape of the three that are mentioned/talked about. Alfredsson balked, changed up his angle and shot it. Seems pretty obvious to me and I don't buy his crappy excuse. Neil came in raging with his elbow and it ended up being over his shoulder. Pronger got McAmmond with the forearm/elbow then pulled back. His seems more instinctive than the others, not that it justifies it at all but it does paint a prettier picture than knowingly tossing an elbow at someone.

[mattopiela 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9jvHxHWIY&NR=1

Oka watch it, and watch it couple of times and you will see he skates out looks at the clock fakes the shot to kill time, the puck stumbles a bit he readjusts it and shoots it hard down the duck zone. Also look at where the two ducks guys are standing; one in the middle and the other covers the other side where the shot vent so really he had no choice, also he was being chased.

And to those who say he backed down, please, he was ready to go he even said lets go, but the refs had them apart. And watch what Neidermyer does in the scrum first he crosschecks Fisher from behind and then almost crosscheck Volckenkov accross the face and Mr Innocent eh.

[mack 44]

I honestly can't see how the puck was 'dragging' or whatever to the fact that'd be an excuse as to what he did. it's over, they have no cup and this was their best shot so it's fine with me that he'll get away with a douche move.

[mattopiela 0]

I honestly can't see how the puck was 'dragging' or whatever to the fact that'd be an excuse as to what he did. it's over, they have no cup and this was their best shot so it's fine with me that he'll get away with a douche move.

I am not going to say its over till its over. If they win in Anaheim, assuming they play for more than a period it could get interesting, because now its 1-1-1 format.

[DarkStar50 679]

I'll say it: its over.

[D aka speck 0]

How about an overhead view.

Looks to me like he looked up, saw Niedermeyer then rocketed a shot off. It also appers in this vid that he had a straight shot on net. That late in the period is there any reason not to challenge Guigerre?

[DarkStar50 679]

The plane ride to Cali for the Sens will have sucked whatever little life they had right out of them. 5 or 6 hours stuck on a plane thinking about where you are headed. Its getting late early for the Senators, thank you Yogi.

[mattopiela 0]

The plane ride to Cali for the Sens will have sucked whatever little life they had right out of them. 5 or 6 hours stuck on a plane thinking about where you are headed. Its getting late early for the Senators, thank you Yogi.

Well thats the attitude of a quiter. I am sure they know they still have a chance, maybe slim but they still do. We will just have to wait and see till tomorrow.

I know a lot of people already written the sens off but I know they still got a good fight left in them. Maybe once they see the cup in the arena it will make em get'er done. They got an impressive win then they were down 2-0 this isn't any different.

[mack 44]

How would they know how to have an attitude of a winner though? How many rings on their team collectively? Sure, only one person on the Ducks has one but he has 3 of them and a little thing called leadership behind him.