sopranos

[brent 1]

I think it was a great ending. There are only two possibilities, he is killed or he goes to jail. I've come up with several possible theories, and Meadow throws them all off.

If we saw Tony shot, or the feds taking him away, that would have been the short and sweet way to wrap the show up. With this ending, people will be talking for a looong time. :)

[Vapor 0]

I live right by Holstens and I have gone there since I was this tall. My mom knows the owner very well and this is what she told me earlier:

The owner asked David Chase and co. to reshoot the final scene of the show because it was too bloody and he didn't want his shop to get that kind of reputation. Does this mean tony was killed in the original version? Maybe somebody else was killed in Holstens? I doubt David Chase would change his vision because of a shop owner...

Take from this what you want...

[RadioGaGa 162]

I live right by Holstens and I have gone there since I was this tall. My mom knows the owner very well and this is what she told me earlier:

The owner asked David Chase and co. to reshoot the final scene of the show because it was too bloody and he didn't want his shop to get that kind of reputation. Does this mean tony was killed in the original version? Maybe somebody else was killed in Holstens? I doubt David Chase would change his vision because of a shop owner...

Take from this what you want...

I wonder if that "alternate ending" will be on the DVD's.

I watched the final 3 shows on recorded DVD. When it stopped abruptly...I thought there was something wrong with the disk. *L* Then I noticed the display was still counting...then I thought maybe it was Meadow that gets shot. You see her running in...Tony looks up (like he had everytime time he heard the door open) and then it goes black.

But the more I think about it, the "You never see it when it happens" theory makes a lot of sense.

[willc7786 0]

If Chase really wanted a bloody ending, and the owner made a stink after the shoot, Chase would have just filmed it at another location. No offense, but I doubt that the ending was changed due to the shop owner.

I've got to say, even though the ending was what it was, that final scene was simply brilliantly done. I watched it last night, and even knowing what happened, it still got my heart racing watching that scene.

[Vapor 0]

If Chase really wanted a bloody ending, and the owner made a stink after the shoot, Chase would have just filmed it at another location. No offense, but I doubt that the ending was changed due to the shop owner.

I've got to say, even though the ending was what it was, that final scene was simply brilliantly done. I watched it last night, and even knowing what happened, it still got my heart racing watching that scene.

Yeah I totally agree with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QqmAsTPGiA

watch it while you can, it prob will be taken down

[RadioGaGa 162]

Chase created great tension in that scene...every time you hear the bell and the door opens...you think "this is the guy that will shoot him"...then it cuts to Meadow...okay...somethings gonna happen to her...

Back to the diner. Same tension.

Brilliant.

Okay...I have an idea for the movie...

Opening scene of the movie is that closing scene...right to the black. Then the opening credits {"Woke Up this Morning"...blah blah blah)...then flashback to the day Phil is killed.

We get to see everything that lead from Phil's death to this scene in Holstens. Then FINALLY at the end of the movie...we see the entire scene again...and find out what happened.

[Dman33 0]

the guy at the coutner was not Nikk Leotardo. In the credits, he's mentioned as the "guy in the members only jacket", this was his first time in the show, and he is actually the owner of some pizza place in northern jersey. Also, the rest of th guys in the background at holsten's had nothing to do with any previous episode, at least that's what I read in an interview.

There's a million different ways to look at this ending, and every way could be correct. Chase couldn't please everyone, so he pleased no one in a sense. I was little pissed at first, but after thinking about it, I thought it was a pretty good ending. what do you guys think?

[M-Cohen 0]

Radio, I think you have a brilliant idea for the film. That is, if they have it and for some reason are perusing MSH.

[RadioGaGa 162]

...Chase couldn't please everyone, so he pleased no one in a sense.

Chase pleased HIMSELF! He ended HIS series the way HE wanted too. In the end that's all he could do.

btw...I read that too about it not being Nikki etc...

[#96 0]

I live right by Holstens and I have gone there since I was this tall. My mom knows the owner very well and this is what she told me earlier:

The owner asked David Chase and co. to reshoot the final scene of the show because it was too bloody and he didn't want his shop to get that kind of reputation. Does this mean tony was killed in the original version? Maybe somebody else was killed in Holstens? I doubt David Chase would change his vision because of a shop owner...

Take from this what you want...

Vap, you live near Bloomfield? My X lives in the apartments off the Parkway. I've never been to Holsten's though.

I doubt the scene was reshot, they'd just shoot somewhere else if Chase "Had to have" his scene like other directors cry about. Besides, it didn't have to be bloody. Phil's death wasn't bloody whatsoever, gruesome, but not bloody. They could have just done it like that.

All speculation. I think it's funny that Chase has been quoted as saying something like, "We didn't make an ending to upset people. I wanted to do it a certain way, and that's what we did to do it. Everything is in there for people see. Nothing secret." I DON'T THINK SO! I'm more confused about this ending than I should be, and this guy is saying it's all clear!? No wonder he's hiding in France while this all goes down. Figures, France.

[Vapor 0]

I used to live in Nutley, and Im back in town every weekend for hockey. Yeah, Im just going by what my mother said that she heard. I really doubt chase would change his vision for something like this.

Final Scene

save target as.

[GSHL99 0]

The ending scene was designed with a looming movie deal in mind. If the series was wrapped up in any real way, Tony dead or otherwise, a movie would have been unlikely.

[Vapor 0]

chase has said many times he will not do a movie, but who know what will happen 5 years down the line. I dont see why everybody thinks that the series HAS TO end with him dying... why?

[RadioGaGa 162]

I dont see why everybody thinks that the series HAS TO end with him dying... why?

Because Tony's death would be the ultimate closure to the series.

Say what you want about the ending (or non ending)...At least he didn't Newhart it....have Anthony Soprano wake up realizing this was all a dream and is real life was more like when he was in Vegas in his dreams after he was shot by Jr. *L*

[willc7786 0]

Hey Vapor, my windows media player says it can't support that file type... how come?

[RadioGaGa 162]

Hey Vapor, my windows media player says it can't support that file type... how come?

It's an mp4 file. Try downloading VLC Media Player (there are almost no files that can't play).

Not sure if there is an update for MP that plays mp4.

[Vapor 0]

iTunes or VLC will play it.

[Vapor 0]

another rumor my mother told me after tallking to somebody who was a "friend" of david chase. She said that she was told that another scene was shot where Tony was shot coming out of the bing and was killed. I assume this could have just been used as an alternate so nobody on the inside knew what was coming...

[mack 44]

I just skimmed a blurb about Steve Perry okaying his song for the final scene only if he knew what was in store beforehand. From the quotes they had, it sounds like he wasn't going to okay it if it was "the song Tony gets whacked to." I like the ending for its openess if nothing else.

[nyhockey6 1]

another rumor my mother told me after tallking to somebody who was a "friend" of david chase. She said that she was told that another scene was shot where Tony was shot coming out of the bing and was killed. I assume this could have just been used as an alternate so nobody on the inside knew what was coming...

I heard almost the same thing but it was Walnuts who got whacked at the Bing when he went to the meeting that no one showed up at. Apparently he was to walk out of it and get killed.

I also had a friend tell me to watch the final scene again, he said as the bell ring and Tony looks up he makes a move for with his arm like he's going for a gun. There will be speculation about the ending of the show forever. It's just like LOST, everyone has their own ideas on how things are.

[mrusse01 0]

I just watched the finale last night and I thought it was really well done. The Sopranos was always too complex of a show to end with Tony either dead or in jail, and I'm glad Chase didn't go with a typical ending like that.

I personally do not think Tony died in the final scene, but rather it was meant to show that even with Tony seemingly on top of the NY/NJ mob scene he can't even enjoy dinner with his family without having to constantly look over his shoulder. On the other hand, maybe he was just waiting for his family, so it wouldn't be that strange to look at the door everytime someone came in.

I really don't think he was killed though. First of all, if the guy in the members only jacket was going to whack Tony, why would he need to go to the bathroom first? In Godfather Michael had to go get the gun from behind the toilet because he had been patted down beforehand (correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went) but that doesn't make sense here. This supposed killer could have just walked in with the gun, shot Tony, dropped the gun and left. Just like every other hit on the show. I think people are just being fooled by Chase here in an apparent nod to the Godfather, but when you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Also, if Tony was really nervous about that guy coming back out to kill him, you think he would just sit there and do nothing about it? He had been especially paranoid the last couple of episodes, so again, doesn't make sense.

Also, the two black guys at the front of the diner are just another red herring; does it make sense for whomever is trying to take out Tony to hire two guys from outside 'the family' to do the job? On a boss?!? Wouldn't happen.

So unless you subscribe to the theory that someone random, un-seen killer emerges and caps Tony, I really don't think it makes any sense for him to have been killed in that final scene.

In an interview with the NJ Star-Ledger recently Chase didn't rule out the possibility of a movie, saying something like 'I'd never say never', and apparently Steve Van Zandt (silvio) also said something along the lines of he didn't think we'd seen the end of Sopranos yet. While I don't think it'll happen, I admit it would be cool to have sort of a prequel type movie where they go back and make their way to the final scene in the diner again and we get to see what really happened.

[LegoDoom 0]

I also had a friend tell me to watch the final scene again, he said as the bell ring and Tony looks up he makes a move for with his arm like he's going for a gun. There will be speculation about the ending of the show forever. It's just like LOST, everyone has their own ideas on how things are.

With his right arm? His left arm was going towards the jukebox.

So unless you subscribe to the theory that someone random, un-seen killer emerges and caps Tony, I really don't think it makes any sense for him to have been killed in that final scene.

Cause only connected guys wanted to kill Tony

[RadioGaGa 162]

I heard yesterday that Gandolfini was very upset with the way it ended and didn't attend the closing wrap/viewing party with the cast?

Any truth?

[mrusse01 0]

So unless you subscribe to the theory that someone random, un-seen killer emerges and caps Tony, I really don't think it makes any sense for him to have been killed in that final scene.

Cause only connected guys wanted to kill Tony

No, what I meant was unless there is some killer that comes from off-screen, that we the viewer have not seen previously in the scene. Sure, there are tons of people who could want to kill Tony, but I think it would be pretty dumb if we at least didn't catch a glimpse of them beforehand.

[LegoDoom 0]

Ok, but it's been well established that when you get popped, you don't know when or by who. So wouldn't it make sense that you didn't see the guy?