Charles Manson 2007 Parole Hearing

[Fredrik 0]

Why do this? I'm sure he'll never get out of prison anyhow. The question is if he's not to sick to serve time in a prison. Shouldn't he be locked up in a mental hospital for the rest of his life?

Wasn't he sentenced to death in California for the 1969 Hollywood killings? Was this before they restored the death penalty in the state of California?

[Monty22 833]

Chucky was sentenced to death by a jury of his peers. California decided it was mean to kill people, so anyone on death row at the time gets life in prison. Too bad it was Cali and not Texas, he would have had a date with Old Sparky decades ago. I have a friend who works as a consultant to different prisons. She met Manson, and had to interview him. Apparently he's still nuttier than squirrel shit.

[hockeysew 0]

Chucky was sentenced to death by a jury of his peers. California decided it was mean to kill people, so anyone on death row at the time gets life in prison. Too bad it was Cali and not Texas, he would have had a date with Old Sparky decades ago. I have a friend who works as a consultant to different prisons. She met Manson, and had to interview him. Apparently he's still nuttier than squirrel shit.

This guy is the epitome of psychotic.

Just watch his body language and it says the story.

Remember the thread on Atheist's here not too long ago?

Someone brought up the fact of Evil.

Here you have the definition.

[Fredrik 0]

More victims to be found at the Barker Ranch?

[RadioGaGa 162]

I want to know how the Parole Committee keeps a straight face every time these hearings come up.

[Monty22 833]

I'm sure the hearings go great until he starts talking.

[Lord ZipLock 0]

He stands no chance of being paroled...

thus this hearing is a waste.

[Monty22 833]

He stands no chance of being paroled...

thus this hearing is a waste.

It's California- never say never....

[team50 20]

I guess while he is alive it's all about his rights to a hearing if he requests it no matter how faint the hope of release. I write parole reports for a living and its frustrating when you know there is no chance of release and you are just wasting paper.

[Monty22 833]

I guess while he is alive it's all about his rights to a hearing if he requests it no matter how faint the hope of release. I write parole reports for a living and its frustrating when you know there is no chance of release and you are just wasting paper.

This is one of the biggest problems with our legal system.

[team50 20]

Ours to...although more is done for victims today than in the past, but still sentencing here is light.

[Tailboard Jockey 25]

I don't think he actually killed anybody, he just got his followers to do it for him.

Anyway, I'm sure it's hard to get parole when you have a fucking swastika cut into your forehead.

[team50 20]

It's always interesting to hear inmates explanations of those things or why they have tattoos on their face. "No sir, these three tear drops don't represent the people I've killed, they're just there for decoration."

[JJ Thompson94 0]

I guess while he is alive it's all about his rights to a hearing if he requests it no matter how faint the hope of release. I write parole reports for a living and its frustrating when you know there is no chance of release and you are just wasting paper.

This is one of the biggest problems with our legal system.

????? Yes the fact that every person has rights is a problem with the legal system. Lets just start locking up people without trials. It will make it just that much easier to lock up all the jews, blacks and hispanics that are "ruining this country".

You'd have to just as crazy as manson to think he should be paroled, but does this MAN have rights. Yes, yes he does have rights and if he has the right to be paroled he deserves to get a shot. I don't think he should ever be paroled because the main reason is that he isn't "reabilitated" (don't even get me started on prision) and he does not deserve freedom, but let the man try for parole.

"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular." - Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

[team50 20]

You're absolutely right--no matter how heinous the offence or the offender, their rights have to be protected. The reports are still done and the parole officials still convene for offenders like Manson, but the decisions are made much quicker in cases like his.

The on-going debate though is when the balance is tipped and the rights of the offender outweighs the rights of the victim. Offenders regularly use and abuse the legal system to re-victimize.

[Fredrik 0]

"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular." - Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.

Hmm, exactly ;)

[Monty22 833]

I guess while he is alive it's all about his rights to a hearing if he requests it no matter how faint the hope of release. I write parole reports for a living and its frustrating when you know there is no chance of release and you are just wasting paper.

This is one of the biggest problems with our legal system.

????? Yes the fact that every person has rights is a problem with the legal system. Lets just start locking up people without trials. It will make it just that much easier to lock up all the jews, blacks and hispanics that are "ruining this country".

You'd have to just as crazy as manson to think he should be paroled, but does this MAN have rights. Yes, yes he does have rights and if he has the right to be paroled he deserves to get a shot. I don't think he should ever be paroled because the main reason is that he isn't "reabilitated" (don't even get me started on prision) and he does not deserve freedom, but let the man try for parole.

"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular." - Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

I was more so trying to making the point that he should have been put down long ago, as a jury of his peers had decided decades ago. The appeal process is a joke, and seems to favor the criminals over the rights of victims to justice.

[chippa13 1844]

Here is where the argument gets muddy, would you want to be that 1 guy in 100 who goes to the chair as an innocent man?

[Monty22 833]

I don't think anyone "wants" to go to the chair..

I'm fine with reasonable appeals, but it shouldn't take decades for the process to play out.

[Penguinsfanatic 0]

If they let me control the death penalty I would have the population of the US prison system down by a whole bunch. I wouldn't care to flip the switch, I would just have them lined up like they were getting hair cuts.

[jmiro 55]

Well the reason this thread was brought back up was because more bodies are possibly linked to him. If they can prove it he gets another trial. In one hand that is great if they can identify the victims families. On the other hand you waste more tax money sending him back to trial for adding sentences to his already life sentence. He is already real close to eighty. Whats the point? I realize he has rights, but come on.

[TheBert 0]

If they let me control the death penalty I would have the population of the US prison system down by a whole bunch. I wouldn't care to flip the switch, I would just have them lined up like they were getting hair cuts.

I'm starting to understand your attitude towards kids at hockey games.

[team50 20]

Unfortunately, statistics consistently show that capital punishment does not deter crime. Most major crimes like murder, save some exceptional and sensational cases portrayed in the media, are impulsive and based on emotions. So, the thought that you might be executed as a consequence is a distant or non-existent thought at the time of the offence.

[jmiro 55]

Capital punishment also doesnt cost any less. It is more of a burden on US citizen (tax wise) to kill him. Not all sentences are meant to be a deterent. Other things such as restitution and incapacitation play a role in the function of a sentence. I would say capital punishment serves as both. Let me say that i really could care less either way.

[team50 20]

I hear you. Its complex. How though does executing someone offer a victim's family restitution?

Sometimes executing people it too humane. I can tell you that Paul Bernardo is being punished more than could imagine. That's a good use of my tax money.