2008 NYR Thread

[the1gwiz 0]

BTW, don't think it was mentioned but the most blatent non call of yesterday was Bell's head punches at Avery, early in this vid

"Punches"? I'm not exaggerating when I say I pet my dog like that.

Avery and Tucker should be locked in their own collective personal hell, where every morning Avery annoys Tucker awake with garbage talk, Tucker goes at Avery with his stick, Avery turtles until Tucker leaves him be... then Avery goes at him, gloves on, from behind. And this repeats all day, every day, for all eternity. Very Sartre-esque.

[kosydar 0]

Listening people defending Avery hurts my head more than those "punches" would.

[Chadd 916]

Depends what was said. Tucker's the type he wouldn't stop and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ended Avery's career. It'll be interesting to hear your thoughts once the speculation ends and the actual comments are revealed. He was also wearing a ring in the fight according to speculation.

I'm not really sure why you are surprised he is that effective. When you stoop to Racial comments and similar tactics, it's not surprising you get under people's skin. Afterall he was asked to leave LA after a period. A number of the Rangers players were apperantly against his comments last night as well. Funny to see him go against Sather's wishes last night as well.

I'd have to agree with 96 in that I am sure a lot of this came from TO, and I'd like to add that I am sure his teammates appreciate the fact that he helped us win more than anything else he did.

He is tight with Jagr and Shanny and those are really the only two guys that count because if either of them go south the whole team is screwed. Sure, Shanny said the politically correct thing after the game (he has no choice), but those two in particular hang out in the city a great deal. Pretty much Avery's mentor and I am sure inside he doesn't like all of Avery's comments, but he knows how effective Avery is.

What irks people most is that he can play as well and that must kill people up there. But like Shanny said, him and Tucker have had very similar early careers-which I actually found to be a knock on Tucker since Tucker whines about him so much to the media.

BTW, don't think it was mentioned but the most blatent non call of yesterday was Bell's head punches at Avery, early in this vid

It's funny how you used to rail about Avery when he was with the Kings but now that he's a Ranger (and you deleted all your old posts) he's just a poor, misunderstood guy. You have no credibility anymore.

[Theo 1]

Listening people defending Avery hurts my head more than those "punches" would.

Obviously they are no haymakers, but they are not OK to throw either. It is not acceptable to punch someone, light or hard from behind

Depends what was said. Tucker's the type he wouldn't stop and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ended Avery's career. It'll be interesting to hear your thoughts once the speculation ends and the actual comments are revealed. He was also wearing a ring in the fight according to speculation.

I'm not really sure why you are surprised he is that effective. When you stoop to Racial comments and similar tactics, it's not surprising you get under people's skin. Afterall he was asked to leave LA after a period. A number of the Rangers players were apperantly against his comments last night as well. Funny to see him go against Sather's wishes last night as well.

I'd have to agree with 96 in that I am sure a lot of this came from TO, and I'd like to add that I am sure his teammates appreciate the fact that he helped us win more than anything else he did.

He is tight with Jagr and Shanny and those are really the only two guys that count because if either of them go south the whole team is screwed. Sure, Shanny said the politically correct thing after the game (he has no choice), but those two in particular hang out in the city a great deal. Pretty much Avery's mentor and I am sure inside he doesn't like all of Avery's comments, but he knows how effective Avery is.

What irks people most is that he can play as well and that must kill people up there. But like Shanny said, him and Tucker have had very similar early careers-which I actually found to be a knock on Tucker since Tucker whines about him so much to the media.

BTW, don't think it was mentioned but the most blatent non call of yesterday was Bell's head punches at Avery, early in this vid

It's funny how you used to rail about Avery when he was with the Kings but now that he's a Ranger (and you deleted all your old posts) he's just a poor, misunderstood guy. You have no credibility anymore.

[DarkStar50 679]

Chadd,

Its one thing to watch a player once a month, if that, from the West Coast and then watch the same player in every game for the team you follow. Its easy to hate Avery. Its also easy to appreciate Avery when you watch him night after night be successful at what he does. It takes two to tango. Tucker and Brodeur and the rest can ignore him, can't they? But they don't. They fuel Avery's fire.

[Chadd 916]

Chadd,

Its one thing to watch a player once a month, if that, from the West Coast and then watch the same player in every game for the team you follow. Its easy to hate Avery. Its also easy to appreciate Avery when you watch him night after night be successful at what he does. It takes two to tango. Tucker and Brodeur and the rest can ignore him, can't they? But they don't. They fuel Avery's fire.

All I say is that the guy doesn't have any class and he's an asshole. He can play, but that doesn't change the other two. I've never been a fan of guys like him and I never will be.

[kosydar 0]

Its only a matter of time before the brass in NY gets sick of Avery's antics and he moves on to another team. It'll be interesting to see how you Rangers fans feel about him then.

[#96 0]

Its only a matter of time before the brass in NY gets sick of Avery's antics and he moves on to another team. It'll be interesting to see how you Rangers fans feel about him then.

I won't even dignify your underlining of Rangers Fans with a response.

Eazy - I didn't specifically point you out. But I guess when I used "you" it came across like that. I meant Toronto fans and the media as a collective, but you are a fan so I guess you are included. It just seems like a lot of speculation with no real proof. And the accusations are pretty steep. It's kinda like you guys are saying Aves is guilty before proven innocent, and that's not how we do things in the States...usually. If he did say something, then by all means, he deserves an ass whoopin.

As far as Avery, he's time bomb. I know that, and I fully expect him to explode sometime. I just hope he explodes after we've had a successful season. Until then, I'm just along for the ride.

And yes, I would take him before Jags. Haha!

[Eazy_b97 1]

Chadd,

Its one thing to watch a player once a month, if that, from the West Coast and then watch the same player in every game for the team you follow. Its easy to hate Avery. Its also easy to appreciate Avery when you watch him night after night be successful at what he does. It takes two to tango. Tucker and Brodeur and the rest can ignore him, can't they? But they don't. They fuel Avery's fire.

You need to seperate the player and the actions. What he does for the team doesn't change the fact he's a douche bag who continually crosses the line with racist remarks and other derogatory comments. Doesn't matter who is out there, they are some things you do and don't say.

Its only a matter of time before the brass in NY gets sick of Avery's antics and he moves on to another team. It'll be interesting to see how you Rangers fans feel about him then.

I won't even dignify your underlining of Rangers Fans with a response.

Eazy - I didn't specifically point you out. But I guess when I used "you" it came across like that. I meant Toronto fans and the media as a collective, but you are a fan so I guess you are included. It just seems like a lot of speculation with no real proof. And the accusations are pretty steep. It's kinda like you guys are saying Aves is guilty before proven innocent, and that's not how we do things in the States...usually. If he did say something, then by all means, he deserves an ass whoopin.

At this point it's speculation since it's in the league's hands. Tucker opted not to say what was said to the Camera's. He had the chance, but didn't rat Avery out for what was said.

Theo - Avery was "muzzled" by Slats. He told him not to do anything before the game since it was the "Hall of Fame game" and he didn't listen. Then after the game he didn't say anything, if he had not crossed the line, why wouldn't he have just said "oh, I said this..."? I've heard he was told not to speak between periods as well. I'm not saying he isn't a good hockey player, or isn't effective. I'm saying he crosses the line way too much.

[DarkStar50 679]

There is no separation between the player and the actions. The actions are what make up the player. If Avery is a DB(your term) or Gandhi, doesn't make a difference when he is getting paid for results on the ice. I don't care to label Sean Avery. He what he is and he is also not the first hockey player to ever do this.

[jay 1]

I'm glad the rangers are winning but I'd be infinitely happier if they were doing it without the sideshow garbage.

I think Kosy has it right... it's only a matter of time. I was sick of him long before he became a Ranger, I wonder how long it will be before his current teammates get sick of him too.

The officiating wasn't that bad IMO... the only blatant non-call I remember was where Gomez took the retaliation penalty. Of course I'm not watching the game trying to find instances where the Rangers should have been penalized either.

[kosydar 0]

Couple of interesting articles, but because they're from Canadian newspapers they must be completely biased.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../TPStory/Sports

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/20...649453-sun.html

[Theo 1]

Pretty interested in hearing what you guys think about this:

"Back to today's Rangers, here is an object lesson in Hypocrisy 101: Toronto defenseman Wade Belak, who is such a mighty player that he was a healthy scratch Saturday night, says that someone is going to kill Sean Avery because of what he says to players on the ice, mainly about their families (read about it here). However unsportsmanlike Avery may be with his yapping (even his pal Brendan Shanahan doesn't like it), he keeps it private, never divulging to the press what he says or what is said back to him. But Belak thinks it's OK to proclaim publicly that someone should kill Avery. Right. Will the post-Steve Moore NHL do anything about that? Don't hold your breath."

[#96 0]

Couple of interesting articles, but because they're from Canadian newspapers they must be completely biased.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../TPStory/Sports

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/20...649453-sun.html

Well, of course ;)

[kosydar 0]

There is no separation between the player and the actions. The actions are what make up the player. If Avery is a DB(your term) or Gandhi, doesn't make a difference when he is getting paid for results on the ice. I don't care to label Sean Avery. He what he is and he is also not the first hockey player to ever do this.

I'm sorry but that is such a cop out. If the Rangers weren't winning, and Avery wasn't producing, how would you guys feel? Its like you guys have an inability to separate between good and bad behavior so long as the Rangers win. If you were coaching the Rangers, let alone a kids team and one of your players did that, would you honestly tell me you thought it was acceptable? If Avery had no goals this season and the Rangers were winless, would you still not separate him from his actions?

Pretty interested in hearing what you guys think about this:

"Back to today's Rangers, here is an object lesson in Hypocrisy 101: Toronto defenseman Wade Belak, who is such a mighty player that he was a healthy scratch Saturday night, says that someone is going to kill Sean Avery because of what he says to players on the ice, mainly about their families (read about it here). However unsportsmanlike Avery may be with his yapping (even his pal Brendan Shanahan doesn't like it), he keeps it private, never divulging to the press what he says or what is said back to him. But Belak thinks it's OK to proclaim publicly that someone should kill Avery. Right. Will the post-Steve Moore NHL do anything about that? Don't hold your breath."

Read the article I posted. Thats just bad journalism from your quote. Unless I completely misread the article, the only thing Belak said should happen is the league punish him for the pregame crap. He said someone is going to kill him, and yes there is a difference between the two.

[Theo 1]

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/NHL/article/275614

[Theo 1]

I'm sorry but that is such a cop out. If the Rangers weren't winning, and Avery wasn't producing, how would you guys feel? Its like you guys have an inability to separate between good and bad behavior so long as the Rangers win. If you were coaching the Rangers, let alone a kids team and one of your players did that, would you honestly tell me you thought it was acceptable? If Avery had no goals this season and the Rangers were winless, would you still not separate him from his actions?

If if if...That is not the case though. The Rangers are a better team in the lineup with Avery thus far and he has produced. If my aunt...

Winning is kind of the bottom line, Brian. If the Leafs won the other day TO guys wouldn't be crying about Avery for 3 days. But they did not win and now they have to latch on to something to get their attention away from the loss.

[Chadd 916]

Pretty interested in hearing what you guys think about this:

"Back to today's Rangers, here is an object lesson in Hypocrisy 101: Toronto defenseman Wade Belak, who is such a mighty player that he was a healthy scratch Saturday night, says that someone is going to kill Sean Avery because of what he says to players on the ice, mainly about their families (read about it here). However unsportsmanlike Avery may be with his yapping (even his pal Brendan Shanahan doesn't like it), he keeps it private, never divulging to the press what he says or what is said back to him. But Belak thinks it's OK to proclaim publicly that someone should kill Avery. Right. Will the post-Steve Moore NHL do anything about that? Don't hold your breath."

Read the article I posted. Thats just bad journalism from your quote. Unless I completely misread the article, the only thing Belak said should happen is the league punish him for the pregame crap. He said someone is going to kill him, and yes there is a difference between the two.

I agree with Belak; if Avery keeps doing what he's doing, something bad is going to happen. Belak wasn't hoping or wishing, just stating that he thought it was inevitable.

Something like this is going to happen again and not many people outside of New York are going to feel bad about it. You make your living pissing people off and eventually you get yours. Karma is a bitch.

[DarkStar50 679]

There is no separation between the player and the actions. The actions are what make up the player. If Avery is a DB(your term) or Gandhi, doesn't make a difference when he is getting paid for results on the ice. I don't care to label Sean Avery. He what he is and he is also not the first hockey player to ever do this.

I'm sorry but that is such a cop out. If the Rangers weren't winning, and Avery wasn't producing, how would you guys feel? Its like you guys have an inability to separate between good and bad behavior so long as the Rangers win. If you were coaching the Rangers, let alone a kids team and one of your players did that, would you honestly tell me you thought it was acceptable? If Avery had no goals this season and the Rangers were winless, would you still not separate him from his actions?

I never accepted Avery's behavior as good/bad. Avery is Avery, the same way Claude Lemiuex, Ken Linseman, and even Bobby Clarke played the same role in their careers through similar methods. The Rangers know what they are getting with Avery. This isn't some new revalation to the Rangers that he is a loose cannon. Its high risk, high reward. The Rangers are taking the chance, win or lose. There is a huge difference between coaching the Rangers and coaching youth hockey. When you are coaching kids, one of the responsibilities is to let each player know what actions are ok and what are not. When you are coaching the Rangers, you are coaching paid players. The coach's ability to keep players, like Avery or Lemiuex or Linseman in check, is not so easy. However, when Avery's actions have a negative impact on the team, the coach will know what to do. Scratch him from the line-up.

[#96 0]

Pretty interested in hearing what you guys think about this:

"Back to today's Rangers, here is an object lesson in Hypocrisy 101: Toronto defenseman Wade Belak, who is such a mighty player that he was a healthy scratch Saturday night, says that someone is going to kill Sean Avery because of what he says to players on the ice, mainly about their families (read about it here). However unsportsmanlike Avery may be with his yapping (even his pal Brendan Shanahan doesn't like it), he keeps it private, never divulging to the press what he says or what is said back to him. But Belak thinks it's OK to proclaim publicly that someone should kill Avery. Right. Will the post-Steve Moore NHL do anything about that? Don't hold your breath."

Read the article I posted. Thats just bad journalism from your quote. Unless I completely misread the article, the only thing Belak said should happen is the league punish him for the pregame crap. He said someone is going to kill him, and yes there is a difference between the two.

I agree with Belak; if Avery keeps doing what he's doing, something bad is going to happen. Belak wasn't hoping or wishing, just stating that he thought it was inevitable.

Something like this is going to happen again and not many people outside of New York are going to feel bad about it. You make your living pissing people off and eventually you get yours. Karma is a bitch.

I love when people use that video for anti-Avery spooge.

Hordichuk hit him from behind and then basically jumped him. I'd like to see what you would do if a guy hit you from behind and started hitting you right away. Look at Steve Moore. He got jumped from behind and nobody is calling him a wimp.

Tough guys, let me tell ya.

[the1gwiz 0]

#96 is right, that clip might not be the best indicator for the anti-Avery movement.

So how about these?

And my personal favorite, the post-horn gloves-on cheap shots on Doan.

[#96 0]

#96 is right, that clip might not be the best indicator for the anti-Avery movement.

So how about these?

And my personal favorite, the post-horn gloves-on cheap shots on Doan.

Yeah, the spearing video is a little more conclusive in my book than the other one. Not that we need much conclusive evidence for Avery, but let's at least try to get it right when we do. He is God afterall.

[boomer 0]

i havent really heard much about m.staal this year. he doing any good?

[jay 1]

I'm sorry but this is totally ridiculous...

Belak rejects the notion making the rounds that there is no difference between Tucker and Avery.

"Darcy's an agitator but he doesn't say the type of personal stuff about your family that Avery does," Belak said. "It's ridiculous. If (Avery) ever starts chirping about my family like that, he'll get a stick over the head."

If Belak can't handle a your momma joke or some heavy ribbing about his ugly ass wife and kids and is willing to risk a year long suspension from the league after he clubs Avery over the head—he's a complete moron. Seriously... what a whiny little grade schooler. Now I can officially lump this guy in with Luongo as a player with infinitely more ability then brains.

[Chadd 916]

I love when people use that video for anti-Avery spooge.

Hordichuk hit him from behind and then basically jumped him. I'd like to see what you would do if a guy hit you from behind and started hitting you right away. Look at Steve Moore. He got jumped from behind and nobody is calling him a wimp.

Tough guys, let me tell ya.

The point was that someone decided that didn't like his hit on Kariya and jumped him. At some point, the same thing is going to happen again and very few people will feel sorry for Sean. It's just a matter of time.