Muscel milk/Protein shakes

[mxihockey 0]

Have any of you tried this? Or something like it? If so did it work at all for you? I'm 5'll and only 143 pounds, I need to gain weight. Ive been doing the gladiator training for hockey from bodybuilding.com, I'm definitely getting stronger but not gaining weight. I'm ready to just about try anything, so Muscel Milk looked like a good idea. Any comments?

[Cavs019 708]

Eat.

[arrows91 0]

mxihockey - hi, im having the same problem as you. i am about 5 10/11 and weigh bout 130lbs! i can eat and eat but just dont gain. i only have access to dumbells and a chin up bar and a few resistants cords! do you have access to a gym? i find it very hard to get motivated in my room!

[forbs02 20]

Have any of you tried this? Or something like it? If so did it work at all for you? I'm 5'll and only 143 pounds, I need to gain weight. Ive been doing the gladiator training for hockey from bodybuilding.com, I'm definitely getting stronger but not gaining weight. I'm ready to just about try anything, so Muscel Milk looked like a good idea. Any comments?

The strength and conditioning coach here has all of his teams drinking Muscle Milk post work-out. He swears by those things. The teams are men's/women's hockey and men's basketball. I also lived off those things after I got my wisdom teeth out :D

[jon93 0]

If your tlking about whey powder, it will definably help you gain weight. I had to drink that stuff three times a day during last season. During that time i gained 30 lbs, and it was mostly muscle. The only problem is you have to work out with it, if you don't you will still gain weight but it will be mostly of fat.

hope that could help you out a little

[arrows91 0]

how hard did you work out to gain 30lbs of muscle?

[jon93 0]

3 times a week, im still growing, im only 15. But the whey powder had alot to do with all the muscle.

[mxihockey 0]

Yea, I have a membership to a gym, I work out 3 to 4 times a week. I eat alot, but still cant gain weight. what are the benefits of whey protein over muscel milk?

[nni 0]

alright, muscle milk is dumb post workout. muscle milk is more of an mpr than a protein powder, it is loaded with fat, they are good fats, but fats are not ideal post workout. straight carbs + protein is ideal for post workout.

to the op, if you want to grow, adding a protein shake in randomly to your diet is just a waste of money. you need to eat, and workout. calculate your metablic rate, ie how many calories you burn during the day at normal activity, not exercise, and then add 500-1000 calories about this. that is your goal. 40% of your calories should come from protein, 40% come from carbs, 20% come from fat.

eat as clean as possible, meaing whole grains, lean meats, good veggies. if you go to mcdonalds for you calories youll get fat, you will gain muscle as well, but too much fat.

your routine is just as important as diet. you young guys just starting out, check out mark ripptoe's routine, this is a nice beginning program. i have linked it before, on this board, i dont have the link handy though.

if you must a protein powder, it should be to compensate your whole food diet, not in place of.

[forbs02 20]

alright, muscle milk is dumb post workout. muscle milk is more of an mpr than a protein powder, it is loaded with fat, they are good fats, but fats are not ideal post workout. straight carbs + protein is ideal for post workout.

to the op, if you want to grow, adding a protein shake in randomly to your diet is just a waste of money. you need to eat, and workout. calculate your metablic rate, ie how many calories you burn during the day at normal activity, not exercise, and then add 500-1000 calories about this. that is your goal. 40% of your calories should come from protein, 40% come from carbs, 20% come from fat.

eat as clean as possible, meaing whole grains, lean meats, good veggies. if you go to mcdonalds for you calories youll get fat, you will gain muscle as well, but too much fat.

your routine is just as important as diet. you young guys just starting out, check out mark ripptoe's routine, this is a nice beginning program. i have linked it before, on this board, i dont have the link handy though.

if you must a protein powder, it should be to compensate your whole food diet, not in place of.

For what its worth, I'm not one to question a strength and conditioning coach with a masters degree and many years of experience. He does do the strength and conditioning for one of the top collegiate hockey programs in the country and if he is suggesting these for post-workout, there is probably a reason for it.

[nni 0]

is he a nutritionist or a supplement expert? he is a strength and conditioning coach. i will be one shortly as well. i also work for a supplement company. fats in your post workout drink are completely useless and in fact go against the whole point of quickly absorbed protein and carbs.

there is no reason for it, other than it tastes good, and it comes in a handy RTD form. i can recommend many other products that would lead to faster recovery and better gains, but i am not a strength and conditioning coach, so i must not know my stuff. :)

[mxihockey 0]

is he a nutritionist or a supplement expert? he is a strength and conditioning coach. i will be one shortly as well. i also work for a supplement company. fats in your post workout drink are completely useless and in fact go against the whole point of quickly absorbed protein and carbs.

there is no reason for it, other than it tastes good, and it comes in a handy RTD form. i can recommend many other products that would lead to faster recovery and better gains, but i am not a strength and conditioning coach, so i must not know my stuff. :)

Could you recommend some better products that would work better for me? Thanks

[nni 0]

how old are you?

like i said in my previous post, your going to gain weight with your diet and your gym routine, not with supplements.

as for post workout / post game nutrition they are similar but slightly different. after a workout, or a game even moreso, your glycogen stores are severaly depleted and one of you goals should be to replenish them. this is where fast acting carbs come into play.

also your activites have damaged your muscle tissues and your body will begin to repair them. this is how muscle grows, in order to repair them your body needs protein., and the faster acting the better.

there is a 15 minute window called the anabolic window where it is optimal to get these nutrients (carbs and protein) into your system and get your body bouncing back as fast as possible. this will not only help you repair faster (ie. less soreness) but also help your grow faster (ie. muscle mass). this is basically giving your body what it needs to grow. you grow on your rests days no in working out. how much you grow depends on many things, two large factors being how much you taxed your muscles in the gym, and how much your body has food/calorie wise. if you arent eating above your maintenance calories you arent going to grow, this is just how the body works.

[forbs02 20]

is he a nutritionist or a supplement expert? he is a strength and conditioning coach. i will be one shortly as well. i also work for a supplement company. fats in your post workout drink are completely useless and in fact go against the whole point of quickly absorbed protein and carbs.

there is no reason for it, other than it tastes good, and it comes in a handy RTD form. i can recommend many other products that would lead to faster recovery and better gains, but i am not a strength and conditioning coach, so i must not know my stuff. :)

Since he's a strength and conditioning coach I'm guessing that he has no knowledge of nutrition nor does he have any resources at his disposal. I'm also guessing the staff of 8 here at a Big 10 school is absolutely clueless and ignorant regarding supplements and recovery. I'm sure there are other products that would lead to faster recovery, but sometimes hands are tied by the ncaa regarding what can be provided to athletes. If it wasn't a useful product, the coaches would not supply it to a team.

[mxihockey 0]

how old are you?

like i said in my previous post, your going to gain weight with your diet and your gym routine, not with supplements.

as for post workout / post game nutrition they are similar but slightly different. after a workout, or a game even moreso, your glycogen stores are severaly depleted and one of you goals should be to replenish them. this is where fast acting carbs come into play.

also your activites have damaged your muscle tissues and your body will begin to repair them. this is how muscle grows, in order to repair them your body needs protein., and the faster acting the better.

there is a 15 minute window called the anabolic window where it is optimal to get these nutrients (carbs and protein) into your system and get your body bouncing back as fast as possible. this will not only help you repair faster (ie. less soreness) but also help your grow faster (ie. muscle mass). this is basically giving your body what it needs to grow. you grow on your rests days no in working out. how much you grow depends on many things, two large factors being how much you taxed your muscles in the gym, and how much your body has food/calorie wise. if you arent eating above your maintenance calories you arent going to grow, this is just how the body works.

I will be 15 next week, Could you suggest some food to eat after I work out that would be healthy but have lots of carbs and protein? I think some of my weight gaining trouble has to do with not having a good diet, not so much eating bad food, but not the right food to help me gain weight. Thanks in advance

[nni 0]

i see your sarcasm, but the reality of it is that most people dont concern themselves with supplements. in my experience supplements seems to be one of the universally confused issues for most health professionals. i cant tell you how many professionals i have spoken to that have zero usable knowledge concerning supplements, or downright misinformation. of cytosports products, i would recomend cytogainer over muscle milk for post workout if i were in his situation. fat really doesnt have a place in the post workout environment. and the carb content is entirely too low. if you dont believe me, and i understand if my e-persona isnt as trustworthy as a noted coach, do some research of your own. all of the studies concerning the post workout window are more or less about fast carbs and fast proteins and little else. muscle milk simply doesnt fit this mold, so the research would back me.

honestly i go by the research, im not pushing the products that i am associated with, i am simply helping out. all of the information is out there, you can either believe it from a guy with credentials in exercising, or go read what the actual studies have yielded. (www.pubmed.gov is a good place to start).

i went to a major division 1 university, and this is well before i got involved with supplements, but looking back at what they had, it was not optimal, and more a result of licensing. so again, being a strength and conditioning coach, or a nutritionist doesnt mean you know anything about supplements, just means you know what you studied, now i know that from personal experience. this doesnt mean they wont know, im just saying it doesnt make them an expert.

but ask the coach, why you would want a slow absorbing protein post workout with fats and such few carbs. i would love to see the answer.

how old are you?

like i said in my previous post, your going to gain weight with your diet and your gym routine, not with supplements.

as for post workout / post game nutrition they are similar but slightly different. after a workout, or a game even moreso, your glycogen stores are severaly depleted and one of you goals should be to replenish them. this is where fast acting carbs come into play.

also your activites have damaged your muscle tissues and your body will begin to repair them. this is how muscle grows, in order to repair them your body needs protein., and the faster acting the better.

there is a 15 minute window called the anabolic window where it is optimal to get these nutrients (carbs and protein) into your system and get your body bouncing back as fast as possible. this will not only help you repair faster (ie. less soreness) but also help your grow faster (ie. muscle mass). this is basically giving your body what it needs to grow. you grow on your rests days no in working out. how much you grow depends on many things, two large factors being how much you taxed your muscles in the gym, and how much your body has food/calorie wise. if you arent eating above your maintenance calories you arent going to grow, this is just how the body works.

I will be 15 next week, Could you suggest some food to eat after I work out that would be healthy but have lots of carbs and protein? I think some of my weight gaining trouble has to do with not having a good diet, not so much eating bad food, but not the right food to help me gain weight. Thanks in advance

ok at 15 you are too young for supplements, its ok though, you really dont need them. my biggest piece of advise is take this time when your body is in its prime to grow to read. read about proper workouts, read about proper nutrition and nutrient timing. if you can get a good handle on this then you will be extremely happy with the results, and you can mess with supplements later on in your early twenties when your body is finished growing.

eat clean, whole grains, lean meats etc. get protein with every meal. post workout, i would suggest something as simple as chocolate milk, or if you parents will let you get a protein powder, gatorade powder (you can get it at target) and whey protein. but chocolate milk (skim) has fast acting carbs, and a blend of proteins. its not ideal, but it is better than nothing. after a game i dont know if you want this, but it would still work.

[Chadd 916]

Searching would have provided a wealth of information.

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...lite=%2Bprotein