Barack and Vanilla Ice

[Chadd 916]

I try and stay away from politics because these topics never end well, but this is damn funny.

[usahockey22 0]

Nice video, that's pretty hilarious, Barack and Vanilla Ice....didn't vanilla ice also lie about his ghetto upbringing and getting stabbed as a youth? maybe some similarities there as well...

For the "plagiarizing", I personally don't see it as a big issue. People borrow lines in speeches all the time, although it would be better if he had initially given the other guy credit (if he didn't get his permission).

Both of the democrats are too left/socialist for me anyway, and Mccain seems ready to start World War 3. I was just glad to see Ron Paul actually getting his message through somewhat, and getting some real support.

[Chadd 916]

The same strategy guy was behind the other guys campaign/tactics. He's just running the same campaign on a national level that they ran on a state level.

[GekigangarIII 0]

The same strategy guy was behind the other guys campaign/tactics. He's just running the same campaign on a national level that they ran on a state level.

It really is funny though. Man, politicians today have to absolutely hate the internet. 20 years ago nobody would have ever put something like this together so quickly. The microscope is quite a bit different now a days.

[usahockey22 0]

The same strategy guy was behind the other guys campaign/tactics. He's just running the same campaign on a national level that they ran on a state level.

Ahh, I didn't read that. Barack really has the charismatic, eloquent speeches down pat- especially compared to Hillary and Mccain. Will be interesting to see if his performance can match his rhetoric.

[TheBert 0]

Great video. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deval_Patric...ma_to_0219.html

he Democratic governor also said it was not necessary for Obama to credit Patrick for drawing from his words.

"It's not like he's writing a law review article or a book or something like that," he argued. "He should have credited me with the use of two words, meaning those words, 'just words.'"

[Chadd 916]

Great video. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deval_Patric...ma_to_0219.html

he Democratic governor also said it was not necessary for Obama to credit Patrick for drawing from his words.

"It's not like he's writing a law review article or a book or something like that," he argued. "He should have credited me with the use of two words, meaning those words, 'just words.'"

I love the look/pause when they ask if it would have been OK for Hillary to use the same speech.

[Oberon 0]

If Hillary is going to use someone else's material, I want to hear her say "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

[DCott 0]

I just can't believe that it took people this long to realize that Barack Obama and Deval Patrick are the same person.

[Doctor Hook 0]

Wonder if he'll cop D-love's $10k drapes as well.

[mack 44]

[Trippingblue 1]

Barack Obama addressed this issue during the Texas debates...Hilary's camp is clutching at straws. The Republicans know that not even Ron Paul will be able to beat Obama if he gets the nomination. The only way to keep the GOP in the White House would be if Hilary gets the nod, and even then victory would be a long shot.

--nick--

[cxo 0]

Cozy up to the idea that no matter who gets elected into office, it will be business as usual. The most important races during an election are always overshadowed by the presidential race, and as such we suffer from it. Grab that blanket and start a bonfire.

[mack 44]

It'll be interesting if Clinton gets the nom that Obama goes third party and gets Bloomberg as VP. Hell, it's not like Clinton's a democrat anyway.

[Chadd 916]

It'll be interesting if Clinton gets the nom that Obama goes third party and gets Bloomberg as VP. Hell, it's not like Clinton's a democrat anyway.

I don't think Nader is going to get enough votes to screw things up again, I'd love to see a three way with Obama, Clinton and McCain. Oh wait, that has to be the worst mental image ever. ugh. I meant to say that would be an interesting election.

[mack 44]

The outcome I'd fear is Obama and Clinton sucking up enough votes that McCain ends up winning. I think I'd be on my way back home if that happens.

[usahockey22 0]

The outcome I'd fear is Obama and Clinton sucking up enough votes that McCain ends up winning. I think I'd be on my way back home if that happens.

I'd not worry about packing up right now. McCain doesn't have a chance in hell of winning with his views on foreign policy, given the current climate. Next year we'll be swearing in the first black president...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QullehqLQ78 (some explicit language)

[Abilectic 0]

Bye Bye Hillary!

"see you next Tuesday"

[kosydar 0]

The outcome I'd fear is Obama and Clinton sucking up enough votes that McCain ends up winning. I think I'd be on my way back home if that happens.

I'd not worry about packing up right now. McCain doesn't have a chance in hell of winning with his views on foreign policy, given the current climate. Next year we'll be swearing in the first black president...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QullehqLQ78 (some explicit language)

Normally I'd agree that a Republican has no legitimate shot at winning, but McCain's status as the GOP maverick will help him out a lot. People don't associate McCain with Bush (which if they did, it'd be an absolute slaughter). Obama has run a good campaign so far, but unless he does a complete overhaul, he'll get destroyed in the main election. Saying you're running a campaign for change is nice (although overplayed), but eventually you're going to have to start telling people what and how you're going to change.

[Chadd 916]

The outcome I'd fear is Obama and Clinton sucking up enough votes that McCain ends up winning. I think I'd be on my way back home if that happens.

I'd not worry about packing up right now. McCain doesn't have a chance in hell of winning with his views on foreign policy, given the current climate. Next year we'll be swearing in the first black president...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QullehqLQ78 (some explicit language)

Normally I'd agree that a Republican has no legitimate shot at winning, but McCain's status as the GOP maverick will help him out a lot. People don't associate McCain with Bush (which if they did, it'd be an absolute slaughter). Obama has run a good campaign so far, but unless he does a complete overhaul, he'll get destroyed in the main election. Saying you're running a campaign for change is nice (although overplayed), but eventually you're going to have to start telling people what and how you're going to change.

If McCain runs with something like this in the general election, he could win.

Change is nice, but I want to make progress. You can only make progress in this country by compromising and I'm the only one who has shown that he can reach across the aisle and compromise with the other party.

Obviously there's no way he can run on anything like that in the primary, but that would appear to be something that Obama can't effectively counter.

[usahockey22 0]

One thing that the Democrats pulled off well is actually convincing everyone that they are the party for change..and of course "change" turns into "progress", which has lots of people, especially the many young voters, flocking to the democratic party.

The Republicans on the other hand have been bickering and nit-picking each other's policies and personalities throughout this whole thing (who's more "liberal", who's more like Reagan, etc), and did a pretty good job dividing their party. I think McCain did better than most people expected, but Romney and Huckabee's support, and even the support for Ron Paul, shows that the party is divided and looking for someone to really lead. I don't know if McCain will fit this ticket...most of the independents and I'm betting many republicans will go democrat this time around.

[kosydar 0]

The Republicans on the other hand have been bickering and nit-picking each other's policies and personalities throughout this whole thing (who's more "liberal", who's more like Reagan, etc), and did a pretty good job dividing their party.

The Republicans have been divided for quite some time, it didn't start with this election. The very different candidates are a result of this division, not the cause. Both parties right now have big factions which are trying to take control, although its safe to say its a bigger problem in the GOP.

I think McCain did better than most people expected, but Romney and Huckabee's support, and even the support for Ron Paul, shows that the party is divided and looking for someone to really lead. I don't know if McCain will fit this ticket...most of the independents and I'm betting many republicans will go democrat this time around.

Why do you think that many Republicans will vote Democratic? Is it because McCain isn't conservative enough? That would make zero sense. Is it because thats what you're hoping happens? Democrats will vote Democratic, Republicans will vote Republican. McCain's big appeal is that he does very, very well with independent voters. Its not a fair thing to say that most independents will vote Democratic when neither one of the candidates has had the support from independents as McCain has (although I'd imagine Obama would do better). Not trying to be a dick because I think we can all benefit from a good political debate, but passing off what you hope will happen as what will undoubtedly happen is never a good idea.

[cxo 0]

I can't get over the rumors that Romney is going to be McCain's running partner. I can't imagine any scenario, where McCain and his campaign would be able to rationalize that. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks it's crazy, but judging by how Romney did on his own, I can't see this providing any type of boost for McCain at all.

[mack 44]

Because then at least the nutbag would have a sane partner.

[usahockey22 0]

The Republicans have been divided for quite some time, it didn't start with this election. The very different candidates are a result of this division, not the cause. Both parties right now have big factions which are trying to take control, although its safe to say its a bigger problem in the GOP.

Of course they have been divided, but usually one of the goals of the primary is to at least attempt to bring the factions together to back one candidate...what took place during these primaries helped to do the opposite.

Why do you think that many Republicans will vote Democratic? Is it because McCain isn't conservative enough? That would make zero sense. Is it because thats what you're hoping happens? Democrats will vote Democratic, Republicans will vote Republican. McCain's big appeal is that he does very, very well with independent voters. Its not a fair thing to say that most independents will vote Democratic when neither one of the candidates has had the support from independents as McCain has (although I'd imagine Obama would do better). Not trying to be a dick because I think we can all benefit from a good political debate, but passing off what you hope will happen as what will undoubtedly happen is never a good idea.

It's most certainly not what I hope will happen. I dislike Hillary, Barack, and McCain equally, though for different reasons. I really don't care what happens at this point, because I don't like any of the candidates.

The main reason I believe that many voters will go Democrat is because of the numbers we have seen with this unpopular war. The war in Iraq is even more unpopular than the Vietnam War was, according to many estimates. Many people, democrats and republicans and independents have decided that they want out of Iraq. Sure wasn't the big issue in the primaries, but for the general I'm thinking it will be. The democrats have played up McCain's "staying in Iraq for the next 100 years" to perfection (and yes, I know what he actually meant was simply that we would have some troops occupying Iraq, as we do in many other locations). Barack can always fall back on the fact that he voted against the war to begin with, and McCain has a record of being very pro-war.

Like I said, I'm not hoping for the democrats at all. I know the Iraq war has been pretty absent from primary debates, but I think now it will turn into a key issue. With its incredibly low support, you are looking at basically a contest between anti-war and pro-war candidates. I don't see how McCain will win unless he changes his tune on this issue.

You really think the majority will vote for this?