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[Hawes_4 0]

You mention only trying on NBH Supremes. Have you tried the Vapor line at all?

On a side note, I think those baby toes gotta go. Bring out the hedge clippers. jk guy.

[eric42434224 1]

You mention only trying on NBH Supremes. Have you tried the Vapor line at all?

On a side note, I think those baby toes gotta go. Bring out the hedge clippers. jk guy.

Yes, tried on the Vapors even before trying on the Supremes. Not wide enough, and I was told the supremes ran wider anyway, which it seems like they did.

And it is the BIG toes that are the problem. ;)

[Chadd 916]

Find someone that stocks Kors and try them on. The Shift 2 has more volume than anything I've seen.

I havent seen a KOR in my life, in any LHS or on any player I have seen here at my rinks...or rest assured I would try it on.

And I cant do the internet try on - return -try on - return thing either.

Fing A. I have already found the great fitting skate...the s15...and nothing else on any shelf in the 4 LHS within an hour even comes close.

I appreciate your suggestion, but no one has them here.

You have a fit problem. You need to do whatever it takes to find a boot that fits. Given your discomfort with the toecaps from most manufacturers, getting customs from them isn't going to make that go away. Your only option is Easton or another boot that is going to take a little more work to find on your part.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

What width are the Eastons?

[Hawes_4 0]

You mention only trying on NBH Supremes. Have you tried the Vapor line at all?

On a side note, I think those baby toes gotta go. Bring out the hedge clippers. jk guy.

Yes, tried on the Vapors even before trying on the Supremes. Not wide enough, and I was told the supremes ran wider anyway, which it seems like they did.

And it is the BIG toes that are the problem. ;)

Hmmm, you might have a problem walking after cutting those ones off.

But as TBL said, the flexlites are probably a good bet. I know you don't have access to try them on. But even before the Flexlites, the Nike V10 and V12's, those had some pretty big toe caps on the EE's if I remember correctly.

[TBLfan 25]

Also, being that he's a wider foot he might have been mis-sized and the toes arent brushing the cap. I know if I have a slightly larger boot the seam hurts my toes when I move them around... which is all fixed by putting on the right sized boot.

[eric42434224 1]

What width are the Eastons?

They are the R, which I guess is regular. But the LHS guy told me that those were the wider model and the D was the narrower.

But they say 8.5R, and my 1500's say 9R, but they are more snug widthwise than the s15's

Also, being that he's a wider foot he might have been mis-sized and the toes arent brushing the cap. I know if I have a slightly larger boot the seam hurts my toes when I move them around... which is all fixed by putting on the right sized boot.

No, I was fitted correctly. I touched the toecap, and as I laced and flexed forward, the toe just comes off the cap. They were 8EE in the bauers, and 8.5R in the eastons.

Find someone that stocks Kors and try them on. The Shift 2 has more volume than anything I've seen.

I havent seen a KOR in my life, in any LHS or on any player I have seen here at my rinks...or rest assured I would try it on.

And I cant do the internet try on - return -try on - return thing either.

Fing A. I have already found the great fitting skate...the s15...and nothing else on any shelf in the 4 LHS within an hour even comes close.

I appreciate your suggestion, but no one has them here.

You have a fit problem. You need to do whatever it takes to find a boot that fits. Given your discomfort with the toecaps from most manufacturers, getting customs from them isn't going to make that go away. Your only option is Easton or another boot that is going to take a little more work to find on your part.

Seriously, I have tried on every boot at my disposal, for 2 solid months, at all 4 LHS's within an hour, and 2 on the west coast of florida on a trip. The ONLY boot that I have issues with the toecap are the bauers....all the others either arent wide enough or just dont fit even close to the s15's. The problem with the Eastons is the synergy line still doesnt fit as well as the s15 (dont have access to any other models).

So we are back to square one...I need to find the boot that FITS THE BEST....only problem is that the one that fits the best falls apart in 2-3 months and costs $529.

And again, I want to tank ALL who are trying to help me with this problem. Much appreciated.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Anyway, I can't tell you anything unless I see your foot.

The seam issue could be solved with an oversized cap, or just might go away with a bake.

[eric42434224 1]

Anyway, I can't tell you anything unless I see your foot.

The seam issue could be solved with an oversized cap, or just might go away with a bake.

When you say see my foot, does that mean pictures, or in person?

Also, I baked the Supreme 50's twice, and it didnt have any affect on the toecap area. I even had the LHS try to puch the area out....no success.

I realize that the baking would likely do more in the 95's, but I couldnt pay $600 to find out the toecap didnt change, and the spot was still there.

If there was a way to fix my issue without custom, I would do it in a heartbeat.....but why should I settle for anything less than the best possible fit, or at least as good as the s15?

[TBLfan 25]

Maybe we should bake your foot and see if that helps.

[Blueandgold26 1]

haha

[eric42434224 1]

Maybe we should bake your foot and see if that helps.

LOL. Trust me, I am almost at the point of trying that.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Anyway, I can't tell you anything unless I see your foot.

The seam issue could be solved with an oversized cap, or just might go away with a bake.

When you say see my foot, does that mean pictures, or in person?

Also, I baked the Supreme 50's twice, and it didnt have any affect on the toecap area. I even had the LHS try to puch the area out....no success.

I realize that the baking would likely do more in the 95's, but I couldnt pay $600 to find out the toecap didnt change, and the spot was still there.

If there was a way to fix my issue without custom, I would do it in a heartbeat.....but why should I settle for anything less than the best possible fit, or at least as good as the s15?

I cannot give an educated opinion unless if it is in person.

I can probably convince the LHS here to bake them for you without having to purchase.

[eric42434224 1]

Anyway, I can't tell you anything unless I see your foot.

The seam issue could be solved with an oversized cap, or just might go away with a bake.

When you say see my foot, does that mean pictures, or in person?

Also, I baked the Supreme 50's twice, and it didnt have any affect on the toecap area. I even had the LHS try to puch the area out....no success.

I realize that the baking would likely do more in the 95's, but I couldnt pay $600 to find out the toecap didnt change, and the spot was still there.

If there was a way to fix my issue without custom, I would do it in a heartbeat.....but why should I settle for anything less than the best possible fit, or at least as good as the s15?

I cannot give an educated opinion unless if it is in person.

I can probably convince the LHS here to bake them for you without having to purchase.

That would be great, but if the problem is the toecap, wouldnt baking them be futile?

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Not necessarily, and once again, one of those things that I cannot see unless I see you.

Oh, and yes, full payment up front for customs.

[eric42434224 1]

Not necessarily, and once again, one of those things that I cannot see unless I see you.

Oh, and yes, full payment up front for customs.

Upfront payment isnt the problem.

Maybe I am missing something here. While I understand that everyone wants me to be able to find a retail skate that fits, that may not be possible, or at the very least, practical. So if the extra $125 I pay for customs will take care of any fitting issues, why wouldnt I do it? I am not sure what valid reason there is for not getting customs if you cant find a skate that fits you GREAT.

Maybe I am overestimating the benefits of the custom fit......will the truly fit the best? Better than the s15's I love? Especially since I cant pass the pencil test on them?

Believe me....if there was a skate on the rack anwhere within 2 hours that fit like my s15, I would be trying them on. But there arent.

Why not skip all the Bu!!shit and get perfectly fitted skates once and for all....and not compromise on any of the other features?

Seriously, I am not understanding the resistance to custom skates. I feel like I am missing something.

[Anonymous028 0]

Maybe try the new easton SE16's?

They aren't quite as light as the S15's but they are more durable, and cost a little bit less.

[TBLfan 25]

Not necessarily, and once again, one of those things that I cannot see unless I see you.

Oh, and yes, full payment up front for customs.

Upfront payment isnt the problem.

Maybe I am missing something here. While I understand that everyone wants me to be able to find a retail skate that fits, that may not be possible, or at the very least, practical. So if the extra $125 I pay for customs will take care of any fitting issues, why wouldnt I do it? I am not sure what valid reason there is for not getting customs if you cant find a skate that fits you GREAT.

Maybe I am overestimating the benefits of the custom fit......will the truly fit the best? Better than the s15's I love? Especially since I cant pass the pencil test on them?

Believe me....if there was a skate on the rack anwhere within 2 hours that fit like my s15, I would be trying them on. But there arent.

Why not skip all the Bu!!shit and get perfectly fitted skates once and for all....and not compromise on any of the other features?

Seriously, I am not understanding the resistance to custom skates. I feel like I am missing something.

You are. I can get custom one90s but they arent going to fit. They aren't building a skate around your foot, it's not perfect.

Plus you have to add wait time and cost and more time to travel and time for JR, who isn't making money off of this.

[eric42434224 1]

Maybe try the new easton SE16's?

They aren't quite as light as the S15's but they are more durable, and cost a little bit less.

No LHS has them, but arent they just the new 1500....which I just got las night.

If customs werent an option, this is the skate I would have to use. Not close to enough depth, but closest fit to S15 I can find.

[Anonymous028 0]

It is the updated version of the 1500, but i find the feel of the skate to be almost identical to the S15 and it is more durable in the 3 months i have been skating in them.

[eric42434224 1]

Not necessarily, and once again, one of those things that I cannot see unless I see you.

Oh, and yes, full payment up front for customs.

Upfront payment isnt the problem.

Maybe I am missing something here. While I understand that everyone wants me to be able to find a retail skate that fits, that may not be possible, or at the very least, practical. So if the extra $125 I pay for customs will take care of any fitting issues, why wouldnt I do it? I am not sure what valid reason there is for not getting customs if you cant find a skate that fits you GREAT.

Maybe I am overestimating the benefits of the custom fit......will the truly fit the best? Better than the s15's I love? Especially since I cant pass the pencil test on them?

Believe me....if there was a skate on the rack anwhere within 2 hours that fit like my s15, I would be trying them on. But there arent.

Why not skip all the Bu!!shit and get perfectly fitted skates once and for all....and not compromise on any of the other features?

Seriously, I am not understanding the resistance to custom skates. I feel like I am missing something.

You are. I can get custom one90s but they arent going to fit. They aren't building a skate around your foot, it's not perfect.

Plus you have to add wait time and cost and more time to travel and time for JR, who isn't making money off of this.

OK, I though that they would take measurements, and yes, build the skate around those dimensions. Why else take outlines and measurements?

Now I am really confused.

And the extra wait time is fine as I have my 1500s to tide me over, and I have spent way more time trying to find the best fitting skate than the time it takes to go to Orlando )plus I have a client near there I can go see). I would even compensate JR for his time.

And wouldnt JR pick the best skate for my foot....especially one that is already the closest to a good fit, and just tweak it so it is perfect? Mybe that isnt the one90 for you, but if the tocap and a bit of width makes the one 95 perfect for me, wouldnt it work?

BUT....if I have a misconception as to the level of personalization and true custom fit of a custom skate, then it may not be worth it.

It is the updated version of the 1500, but i find the feel of the skate to be almost identical to the S15 and it is more durable in the 3 months i have been skating in them.

If I cant do custom, and I dont see any changes in the s15 durability, that may be my next skate. But that still doesnt solve the depth issue. But I guess that is one of the things I will just have to live with.

[TBLfan 25]

Your foot is 3 dimensional, a tracing is not. Make sense?

Like I said, look at Forsberg. Hes had molds of his feet taken by every manufacturer and had skates made based on those molds and still isnt happy with his skates.

[Goonsquad 209]

Seems like an odd way of getting a custom skate job done..

[eric42434224 1]

Your foot is 3 dimensional, a tracing is not. Make sense?

Like I said, look at Forsberg. Hes had molds of his feet taken by every manufacturer and had skates made based on those molds and still isnt happy with his skates.

But Forsberg is not the norm. I thought he has some foot issues. I dont. I LOVE the fit of the s15 (except the depth) and would be perfectly happy with them until the day I die....if they didnt fall apart.

My issues with other skates are mainly with the lateral/horizontal dimensions, which it seems where a tracing would help. And JR could pick a boot with the proper depth after seeing my foot. And he could pcik a boot with the correct stiffness/flex/etc. after seeing me, and informing him of my playing and skating style.

But you are right. I realize I am dealing with people that have much more knowledge and experience in hockey, skates, and customs, and it sounds like I truly do not understand the proceess nor have realistic expectations.

It just sucks that the only skate I can find that fits (excluding depth) isnt really a realistic option. I truly respect the knowledge and experience of many menbers of this board, and if it is the general consensus is that I must be relegated to compromising with retail skates that just dont fit quite right, I guess that is where I will have to stay.

It is a bummer though, and it does affect me on the ice.

TBL, and JR...thanks so much for the time you spent on this subject, and for helping me in particular.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Tracings plus measurements gives them the closest to a 3-D last if castings aren't uses.

All of the custom skates that I have done for people have been because they needed something that they couldn't with stock skates (and no, it isn't TONGUES.)

I try my best to figure out what stock skate will work, and figure out the problem. If the problem cannot be fixed, then we explore custom ONLY if it can be fixed then.

Regardless, you know where I'm at. I'd have to find out ahead of time if we can do the fitting.

Your foot is 3 dimensional, a tracing is not. Make sense?

Like I said, look at Forsberg. Hes had molds of his feet taken by every manufacturer and had skates made based on those molds and still isnt happy with his skates.

Forsberg's issues have nothing to do with the boot per se - it is what happens when his foot is in the boot.