Flyers Thread

[EBondo 233]

What are the chances Chicago resigns him though?

[Chadd 916]

What are the chances Chicago resigns him though?

Huet has a four year deal, they can't pay both of them the big bucks.

[EBondo 233]

That's the way I'd like to see the Flyers go; signing a goalie. I'm not sure how much of a fan I am of trading away possibly Briere, Lupul, and JVR all in one off-season

Either way, it's going to be an interesting off-season for the Flyers.

[sickwilly 37]

Are the Flyer looking to sign any goalers from Europe (other than Emery)? Didn't they ink one a month or two ago? Anyone know anything about him (I forgot his name).

I really like Biron, but I don't think he can carry the Flyers to the cup. I agree with the post(s) about them needing to bite the bullet and get a top-notch goaler.

I read something recently(and can't find the link) about a number of teams being interested in signing a Swedish goaltender for the upcoming season. Anyone know more about who this goalie is, and if the Flyers are in the mix?

[S.Gagne12 1]

Hi,

i think you´re talking about the Swedish netminder Gustavson from 2009 IIHF WCC.

I don´t noticed anything about the Flyers beeing interested in him but i think he would not be ready for the Big League.

How much Cap space have the Flyers to sign a Goalie?

Thanks Guys

Bye

[EBondo 233]

Gustavson is supposedly being highly pursued by the Leafs last I heard.

As for the Flyers cap space, it all depends what they want to do in the off-season to worry about cap room. As of right now, they're very close.

They have no goaltender with NHL experience. Biron, Nitty, AND Scott Munroe are all UFA come June 1st. Knuble is also a UFA, and although I believe the Flyers should heavily consider resigning him to at least a two year deal at maybe 3 mil a year, I'm not sure they will. Knuble brings a sense of leadership to the locker room of an otherwise young team. He's gritty, and gets down low for those dirty goals we all know Crosby to get. I do believe attempting to re-sign Knuble should be on the top of the Flyers list.

Whatever they decide to do at the goaltender position, I think will shed more light on what else they plan on doing.

[sickwilly 37]

Thanks, I think Gustavson is the one I was thinking about.

Agreed that we really ought to try to get Knuble back. Think money's tight, though. Anyone want Briere? Great on the PP, when he's in shape... but I think Giroux is ready to step up and do what we hoped Briere would do.

I'd love to see them get something for Lupul and/or Jones. Both decent, but they could make a decent offer to a goalie like Khabby with the cap space those two take up (if I'm not mistaken). I think it would make a greater difference in the win-loss column.

[EBondo 233]

Jones was terrible all season. He never fully recovered from his hip surgery, and that hurt him and the team. Every time he was on the ice I was worried, and I think with him gone the team would be better. Problem is, I don't think we could get much from him. Maybe packaging him in a deal with Lupul, I don't know.

Thirty teams in the NHL want Briere. Problem is, those thirty teams who want Briere, do not want Briere's huge contract.

The asking price for Lupul could be pretty high given what he's been able to do while in Philly. But I think us Flyer fans are all in agreement when we say Claude Giroux is the next big thing in hockey. I can't wait to see what he can do in five years. It's gonna be exciting as hell I know that much.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

Hey you Flyer fans,

Now the Canucks have been dumped out of the playoffs the rumour mill is churning with some Nucks fans wanting rid of Luongo.

Philly needs a tendy and has assets/contracts to move that could likely come the other way. Obviously the Nucks wouldn't want to trade in their own conference/division and with a player of Luongo's calibre coming, good calibre players would have to go the other way.

Would you guys as fans welcome a player like that to the fold?

One guy I work with thought: Luongo for Hartnell, Biron, Coburn and a pick.

[EBondo 233]

In that case, you're not going to give up Biron, you're just going to trade his rights to Vancouver. Any team can still sign him.

Luongo/Kesler for Lupul, rights to Biron, Parent or Jones and a pick. I like it.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

That is too much going your way. # 1 All star goalies are always overpaid for.

It would be Luongo for a package. And you're right, I just noticed the Flyers have zero tenders under contract for next year with 3.5 or so million in cap space left.

you guys are in tough cap wise.

[EBondo 233]

Definitely, it should be an interesting off-season. We'll see. I hope we at least get a good goalie not named Ray Emery.

[donkey87 0]

That is too much going your way. # 1 All star goalies are always overpaid for.

It would be Luongo for a package. And you're right, I just noticed the Flyers have zero tenders under contract for next year with 3.5 or so million in cap space left.

you guys are in tough cap wise.

Teams do not always overpay for All Star goalies. Think of the trades that sent Luongo to Vancouver, Vokoun to Florida, and Roloson to Edmonton. I don't think any of those teams overpaid for the goalie that they acquired. If Luongo is traded it will be because he asked for a trade or because he and the Canucks cannot agree on a new contract. Neither situation allows Vancouver to negotiate a trade from a position of strength.

[Chadd 916]

In that case, you're not going to give up Biron, you're just going to trade his rights to Vancouver. Any team can still sign him.

Luongo/Kesler for Lupul, rights to Biron, Parent or Jones and a pick. I like it.

Vancouver is going to need some depth up front if Sundin and the Sedins walk away as free agents. If they move Luongo, they will need to fill some of that depth with quality forwards.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

That is too much going your way. # 1 All star goalies are always overpaid for.

It would be Luongo for a package. And you're right, I just noticed the Flyers have zero tenders under contract for next year with 3.5 or so million in cap space left.

you guys are in tough cap wise.

Teams do not always overpay for All Star goalies. Think of the trades that sent Luongo to Vancouver, Vokoun to Florida, and Roloson to Edmonton. I don't think any of those teams overpaid for the goalie that they acquired. If Luongo is traded it will be because he asked for a trade or because he and the Canucks cannot agree on a new contract. Neither situation allows Vancouver to negotiate a trade from a position of strength.

Roloson and Vokoun are hardly all stars. Luongo was a sweetheart deal because keenan has an erection for Bertuzzi and everyone should be aware of the situation surrounding keenan, ownership and the Luongo camps' salary and contract at the time.

Also, it is a well reported fact that the Canucks are in the running to land Gustavsson. Why would Mike Gillis make a run at him if he had no worries with Schneider and Luongo in Vancouver?

Philly has 3.5 million in cap space if the cap remains where it is. They have 11 NHL Forwards, 7 NHL D Men, and 0 Goalies. They desperately need cap space.

If the Nucks sent Luongo and a pick to Phiily for Briere, Hartnell, and Coburn it would be a 6.50 mill hit for a 12 mill hit, the Nucks have the room, if the Sedins walk. The Flyers would get their tender and 5+mill to spend on 2 forwards for the 2nd/3rd line to replace the gaps left by Hartnell and Briere. Sbisa could jump into the 6 hole on the Blueline fulltime.

In that case, you're not going to give up Biron, you're just going to trade his rights to Vancouver. Any team can still sign him.

Luongo/Kesler for Lupul, rights to Biron, Parent or Jones and a pick. I like it.

Vancouver is going to need some depth up front if Sundin and the Sedins walk away as free agents. If they move Luongo, they will need to fill some of that depth with quality forwards.

currently the nucks have 6 forwards signed for next year: Johnson, Hordichuk, Demitra, Raymond, Burrows, and Kesler. They have Cody Hodgson ready to play next year at 875k. They have 4 D Men in salo, mitchell, bieksa, and Edler. O'Brien is an rfa and Ohlund is a UFA. Luongo and Schneider have NHL Contracts in Net.

Therefore 56.7 - 32 mill = 24.7 Mill in cap space.

Signing two of Hossa, Cammalerri, Kozlov, Gaborik, Cole, etc shouldn't be an issue for them if the Twins walk.

[Chadd 916]

Signing two of Hossa, Cammalerri, Kozlov, Gaborik, Cole, etc shouldn't be an issue for them if the Twins walk.

1. I don't think they would get two of those guys as UFAs

2. I never said they wouldn't have cap space, simply that they will need to replace top talent in any deal for Luongo. I didn't say that they seem to have plenty of depth on defense, but I think we can all see that.

[shooter27 116]

I don't think the Flyers are going to bring in Luongo unless they can unload Briere in the deal. Something along the lines of Luongo for Briere, Biron, Hartnell seems like a solid deal to me, maybe throw in a pick or two into the mix. If you've got to substitute Lupul in there for Hartnell I guess I could live with that as well, I'm much higher on Lupul than Hartnell. I'm not in love with the idea of trading Coburn, because I think he can develop into a top 3 d-man and I'm not very comfortable with Jones or Parent playing a higher role than a #4 guy. If dumping Coburn frees up enough cap space for them to make a run a Bouwmeester, then you do what you've got to do, but if not its a high price in my opinion. I haven't really looked at the cap numbers so I don't know if that salary really does clear up that space, but I do like the idea of trying to get Luongo.

The one thing I've heard floating around that I think is an absolutely horrible idea is trading Gagne instead of Briere. While I think they could probably get more for Gagne or give up less in a package including Gagne, I'd hate to lose him. He's got 40 goal talent and he can play both ends of the rink with great speed, I'd hate to see them lose that.

[sickwilly 37]

I really, really like the sound of trying to pick up Luongo... if he is indeed available. Sure we'd have to give up a package, I think Hartnell and Lupul are guys that are useful, but could also be replaced. I agree with the post about not wanting to give up Gagne. Then again, we'd have to give up something good for one of the top goalies in the league. Giroux was (IMO) the best Flyer on the ice for part of the playoffs and the end of the season. I think he's ready for an increased role.

Anyone have any opinions on how ready JVR is/isn't?

[BackinAction 0]

If they move any forwards, i think Lupul is a more likely candidate than Hartnell since he doesn't have a "no trade clause." I think it would be hard enough to get one player to waive (Briere) and virtually impossible to get two to waive. Ideally I'd love to see Briere moved but doubt it will happen because of his NTC and the size of his contract. Lupul and Jones are likely candidates. I'd dump Carcillo in a minute for a bag of pucks. As for goalie, Luongo, Khabibulin will be out of our price range unless Briere goes so we are left with resigning Marty or looking at Emery, Anderson, Clemmenson etc... Depending on price, I'd resign Marty and they'd still need to find a suitable backup. Adding the right d-men will be crucial in order to improve this team.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

The Flyers need to make a trade to free up space or buy out contracts anyways...

3 mill and change in cap room and needing to add 2 tenders and at least 1 forward...

Your team won't make the playoffs if you sign 1 forward for league minimum and then spend 2.5 mill on two tenders.

The same old top Heavy Flyers with no goaltending will right back.

Have a look.

[Chadd 916]

The Flyers need to make a trade to free up space or buy out contracts anyways...

3 mill and change in cap room and needing to add 2 tenders and at least 1 forward...

Your team won't make the playoffs if you sign 1 forward for league minimum and then spend 2.5 mill on two tenders.

The same old top Heavy Flyers with no goaltending will right back.

Have a look.

In terms of raw numbers, they don't need to add a forward. Nodl and Powe can move into full time roles and Gratton can fill a fourth line role if needed. They need to move some salary in order to bring back Knuble, something I think they should do. He is one of the few older guys they have and seems like a perfect fit with the kids.

[shooter27 116]

I also wouldn't call this team "the same old top-heavy Flyers". Granted, they need a goalie and some defensive help still, but those "same old" teams you're referring to were basically one-line, maybe 4 forward teams. This team has 8 (if you include Knuble) guys that have 30+ goal talent and all but one (Giroux) of them have scored at least 25 at some point recently. That is much much deeper than most of those old teams.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

That's what I mean by top heavy. Flyers have zero goaltending, 2 awesome D prospects in Parent and Coburn, and an embarrassing wealth of forwards in Hartnell, Briere, Gagne, Richards, Carter, Giroux, Knuble(Who needs to be re signed) etc etc etc.

The Flyers are in the opposite boat as the Canucks, who are very deep in Goal and on the bluline, and need help balancing the team due to the forwards.

Look at the teams left in the PO's as of today. All VERY balanced.

Boston

Carolina

Pittsburgh

Chicago

Detroit

Anaheim

[shooter27 116]

I would consider a team that had 6 guys score 25+ goals, and two others that will be 30 goal scorers very soon (Briere and Giroux) extremely balanced.

I hear your point, but I don't think balanced is the right word for what you're describing. When I think balanced, I think of having a wide range of guys that can be counted on to score at any time, which this team has. Maybe defensive depth is a better term for what you're talking about. Essentially, we're disagreeing over the semantics of the word balanced.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

Gotcha, I meant as in money spent throughout the positions... not too heavy in just one area and leaving one or two areas lacking in either skill or money spent (often hand in hand)