Fascinated by the 09 CCM U+ Pro Ice Hockey Skates

[duch 0]

Why not? Whatever you fancy. If it works for you go for it. I personally have never had any problems with the Razor Bladz but if you like the LS2 have them mounted before you bring em home from the LHS.

[Vathsdrop 0]

Best pair i had were some supra 709 (when they 1st came out)... they were the lightest skate at that time.. everything was there : fucking style (full black with black tuuk plus holder), light, durable, fit, feel, well crafted...

I wish i can try their new G series etc (very popular in Europe)... but i'm a bit afraid the cobra holder

About the U+, of course the best skate will be the one that fit you the best...

But this year if I have to give a price for the best skate it would be definitely CCM... one95 (downgrade from the one95), vapor x60 (repainted XXXX).

CCM is only brand that had the guts to pull out something new and rocks!!

Tone of people here use them and they have no problems at all... don't know if it's like some brand though, usually u US guys got all the shit, they save some features and some higher building standarts for europe ...

When i saw at pure hockey a one95 (made in canada) that look less well made than a one75 (made in china)...and they sell that 600dollars

Best skate for me now is the U+ 09 there's no question about that...it has everything needed at a reasonnable price for once :)

[chippa13 1844]

But this year if I have to give a price for the best skate it would be definitely CCM... one95 (downgrade from the one95), vapor x60 (repainted XXXX).

CCM is only brand that had the guts to pull out something new and rocks!!

When i saw at pure hockey a one95 (made in canada) that look less well made than a one75 (made in china)...and they sell that 600dollars

Best skate for me now is the U+ 09 there's no question about that...it has everything needed at a reasonnable price for once :)

Sounds like someone is trying to hard to convince himself.

How is a skate a downgrade from itself? The 60 is not a repainted XXXX, either. But then, what should I expect from someone who shops at Pure Hockey?

[Ahriman 1]

While I hesitate to defend a fanboi, it's probably a simple lapse in which he meant to write "downgrade from One90" but any suggestion that the X:60 is a repaint hasn't tried one.

[Vathsdrop 0]

the trouble, is that you guys got completely brain washed by all the advertisings/marketings of your company... fortunalety the main thing is here, the guys who spent 600$ on a pair of skate is HAPPY in the end (nice treat for himself).

After I think u guys should really discover the world if u are convinced that paying those bad boy 600$ is completely normal...

I'm not talking shit about bauer, to me too it was probably one of the best skate manufacturer. (Graf remaining the top 1 to me).

But come on, the one95 looks like a step backward... it's not as daring as the one95 was...

In the end obviously it's not a bad skate.

The X60, what you got, completely useless Xrib shit (still dont understand if it's just for the ugly design or something else), all the others new/useless "features" well emphasized by the communication department of the company...that u seem to swallow big time!

Seeing how some masturbe on the new liner ...

Actually it's so pathetic, as they probably didnt know how to sell a repainted xxxx, all they found was the ridiculous hid and seek game before the official release... like if the skate was developped by the NASA, afraid of the KGB spies they were ... soon they gonna make you believe it's the last generation of bioweapon...

I'm just saying that, objectively they are selling some skates with nothing new, no innovation, no shit,... so all those one95, x60,.. were probably way less expansive for them to pull out than a truely revolutionary skate as the one90 was... they start on a one90 basis/old vapor X generation (no huge costs for research, development and co)... at least they could have done an effort on the price..

But..

no wait selling a high end BAUER skate at a reasonnable price doesnt sound right..

So instead we should increase it.. so the dumd ass will think

EXPENSIVE = GOOD, BRIGHT SIDE OF THE FORCE, NEW, extra centimeters for my penis...

All good for them they are selling a skate that cost less to produce at a higher price B) (we all that putting the skate deep in the ass)... only thing is that the vaseline is not provided with those skates.

Don't let them think you are mugs!!

So yeah CCM that come with a good skate at a reasonnable price deserve all my admiration..

[chippa13 1844]

the trouble, is that you guys got completely brain washed by all the advertisings/marketings of your company... fortunalety the main thing is here, the guys who spent 600$ on a pair of skate is HAPPY in the end (nice treat for himself).

After I think u guys should really discover the world if u are convinced that paying those bad boy 600$ is completely normal...

I'm not talking shit about bauer, to me too it was probably one of the best skate manufacturer. (Graf remaining the top 1 to me).

But come on, the one95 looks like a step backward... it's not as daring as the one95 was...

In the end obviously it's not a bad skate.

The X60, what you got, completely useless Xrib shit (still dont understand if it's just for the ugly design or something else), all the others new/useless "features" well emphasized by the communication department of the company...that u seem to swallow big time!

Seeing how some masturbe on the new liner ...

Actually it's so pathetic, as they probably didnt know how to sell a repainted xxxx, all they found was the ridiculous hid and seek game before the official release... like if the skate was developped by the NASA, afraid of the KGB spies they were ... soon they gonna make you believe it's the last generation of bioweapon...

I'm just saying that, objectively they are selling some skates with nothing new, no innovation, no shit,... so all those one95, x60,.. were probably way less expansive for them to pull out than a truely revolutionary skate as the one90 was... they start on a one90 basis/old vapor X generation (no huge costs for research, development and co)... at least they could have done an effort on the price..

But..

no wait selling a high end BAUER skate at a reasonnable price doesnt sound right..

So instead we should increase it.. so the dumd ass will think

EXPENSIVE = GOOD, BRIGHT SIDE OF THE FORCE, NEW, extra centimeters for my penis...

All good for them they are selling a skate that cost less to produce at a higher price B) (we all that putting the skate deep in the ass)... only thing is that the vaseline is not provided with those skates.

Don't let them think you are mugs!!

So yeah CCM that come with a good skate at a reasonnable price deserve all my admiration..

Yeah, not talking shit at all.

The countdown to the "Sorry, guys, my [brother/buddy] got a hold of my account" post begins in .........3.........2.........1.......

[Leafsrule16 5]

the trouble, is that you guys got completely brain washed by all the advertisings/marketings of your company... fortunalety the main thing is here, the guys who spent 600$ on a pair of skate is HAPPY in the end (nice treat for himself).

After I think u guys should really discover the world if u are convinced that paying those bad boy 600$ is completely normal...

I'm not talking shit about bauer, to me too it was probably one of the best skate manufacturer. (Graf remaining the top 1 to me).

But come on, the one95 looks like a step backward... it's not as daring as the one95 was...

In the end obviously it's not a bad skate.

The X60, what you got, completely useless Xrib shit (still dont understand if it's just for the ugly design or something else), all the others new/useless "features" well emphasized by the communication department of the company...that u seem to swallow big time!

Seeing how some masturbe on the new liner ...

Actually it's so pathetic, as they probably didnt know how to sell a repainted xxxx, all they found was the ridiculous hid and seek game before the official release... like if the skate was developped by the NASA, afraid of the KGB spies they were ... soon they gonna make you believe it's the last generation of bioweapon...

I'm just saying that, objectively they are selling some skates with nothing new, no innovation, no shit,... so all those one95, x60,.. were probably way less expansive for them to pull out than a truely revolutionary skate as the one90 was... they start on a one90 basis/old vapor X generation (no huge costs for research, development and co)... at least they could have done an effort on the price..

But..

no wait selling a high end BAUER skate at a reasonnable price doesnt sound right..

So instead we should increase it.. so the dumd ass will think

EXPENSIVE = GOOD, BRIGHT SIDE OF THE FORCE, NEW, extra centimeters for my penis...

All good for them they are selling a skate that cost less to produce at a higher price B) (we all that putting the skate deep in the ass)... only thing is that the vaseline is not provided with those skates.

Don't let them think you are mugs!!

So yeah CCM that come with a good skate at a reasonnable price deserve all my admiration..

Yeah, not talking shit at all.

The countdown to the "Sorry, guys, my [brother/buddy] got a hold of my account" post begins in .........3.........2.........1.......

Yes, but really do they need anything overly new and exciting? Bauer doesnt need change, they've hammered there skates down to a pretty reliable and well performing art, why change it? Look what happened when ccm tried to innovate, they screwed up. It happens all the time, the original vapor xx's the biggest innovation in the last 10 years also happened to be one of the biggest failures durability wise. Now that bauer has everything figured out, why massive changes? Sure there turning out essentially the same product and yes the x-60 is a xxxx improvement, the one95 is a one90 improvement but why would that matter? Bauer puts out good dependable skates with great performance, not unproven crap that had to be replaced half way though the model run. Innovation doesn't always mean improvement.

[chk hrd 164]

So yeah CCM that come with a good skate at a reasonnable price deserve all my admiration..

Almost $600.00 for the U+ Pros is reasonably priced??? I would hate to see what expensive is.

[TBLfan 25]

The one90 later got updated as the one75. The one95 was a further advancement of that technology, while the one75 was an updated replacement for the one90 skate. So there are two thermoformable skates in the Supreme line, one being at the $400 pricepoint. Then you have a X:60 skate that has the nicest liner I have seen in a skate, along with advanced internal foams... but simply because they look similar to the XXXX and XXX design it HAS to be the same skate, just redressed. Following the X:60 is the X:50 in the line, which is pretty close to the Vapor XXXX but at a lower pricepoint. Yeah, what a rip off... how dare they take old high-end skates and add them into the product line at a lower pricepoint, for shame.

CCM skates, there's the pinnacle of innovation right there. Tacks, Externos, Vectors, U+... Such incredible advancements before the U+, they put t'blades on Vectors, NOW THAT'S INNOVATION! ...THEN who would have thought there might be some issues with a first run of new technology in how many years for CCM skates? ...Even then the U+ was 2+ years behind Kor and 2 years behind NBH.

[Vathsdrop 0]

The one90 later got updated as the one75. The one95 was a further advancement of that technology, while the one75 was an updated replacement for the one90 skate. So there are two thermoformable skates in the Supreme line, one being at the $400 pricepoint. Then you have a X:60 skate that has the nicest liner I have seen in a skate, along with advanced internal foams... but simply because they look similar to the XXXX and XXX design it HAS to be the same skate, just redressed. Following the X:60 is the X:50 in the line, which is pretty close to the Vapor XXXX but at a lower pricepoint. Yeah, what a rip off... how dare they take old high-end skates and add them into the product line at a lower pricepoint, for shame.

CCM skates, there's the pinnacle of innovation right there. Tacks, Externos, Vectors, U+... Such incredible advancements before the U+, they put t'blades on Vectors, NOW THAT'S INNOVATION! ...THEN who would have thought there might be some issues with a first run of new technology in how many years for CCM skates? ...Even then the U+ was 2+ years behind Kor and 2 years behind NBH.

Dont believe that, compare a one90 to a one75 same with XXXX/X50, people thought already like that with the XXV being the same than old XXX/XX... you'll see from those comparisons that only one pair really look like a high end skate...

Dont know about you, but in all case I rather prefer the old top of the line...

Don't know why people are saying that , probably to feel more confident in saying that the new top of the line skate is WAY better than the one from the previous year line..

And a one75 or x50 cost at least 400dollars, 450 for the x50... a U+ 09 clocks under 300dollars (it's lighter and better crafted than a one95,still havent got my hand on the x60 :( )...

Of course, i'm sure that for none of us on this forum a x60/one95 over a x50/one75 would make any difference on our skills :P

That's why i'm always saying that for non professional player, there's no point (except the show off thread) in going for high skates...the model just below will do just as fine...

Anyway U+ 09 for less than 300dollars is quite something i havent see for a while..

To me the gear that deserve to break your wallet is definitely the stick. Because indeed, first this the one thing that has hugely evolved lately and second there's indeed a true difference between the high end model and the lower ones ;)

My shots have change a lot, but I don't think i'll skate faster with x60 than with some old graf 709 ...

[sebseb 0]

The one90 later got updated as the one75. The one95 was a further advancement of that technology, while the one75 was an updated replacement for the one90 skate. So there are two thermoformable skates in the Supreme line, one being at the $400 pricepoint. Then you have a X:60 skate that has the nicest liner I have seen in a skate, along with advanced internal foams... but simply because they look similar to the XXXX and XXX design it HAS to be the same skate, just redressed. Following the X:60 is the X:50 in the line, which is pretty close to the Vapor XXXX but at a lower pricepoint. Yeah, what a rip off... how dare they take old high-end skates and add them into the product line at a lower pricepoint, for shame.

CCM skates, there's the pinnacle of innovation right there. Tacks, Externos, Vectors, U+... Such incredible advancements before the U+, they put t'blades on Vectors, NOW THAT'S INNOVATION! ...THEN who would have thought there might be some issues with a first run of new technology in how many years for CCM skates? ...Even then the U+ was 2+ years behind Kor and 2 years behind NBH.

What are the things that make the xxxx and the x50 pretty close?, because other than the tongue and holder, I only see different liner, foam, footbed and so on... I am really interested in buying a pair of x50 so ny info is apreciated.

As for Vathsdrop read this thread http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...9829&st=150 , people still complain about the U+. I still say you can't go wrong with Bauer, you pay a price and you know you get a high quality performance skate without any issues and this is one thing you can't say about many brands, just look at CCM and Easton, they come up with a new thing that turns out to be a real pain for the people who buy their skates. Every skate Bauer makes is an evolution of the previous model, they have the recipe for a great skate, they don't need to risk it, and about the one95... the one90 was a revolution in terms anatomical correct fitting of the boot, the one95 took it a step further with the ALIVE material the skate is made of and made it possible for everyone to get a custom fit, as for the vapor series, I see it as their old school ice skate with high end features. At the end of the day, when it comes to spending a large amount of cash, on anything, I play it safe and go for the brand with the best product on a constant basis. And I'm going to say it again, the 70% of the NHL players I'm sure know what they're doing. Just my 2 cents. Cheers

[K9 Unit 1]

add some mission dudes working for bauer and you gonna be in for one hell of a skate in the near future

[TBLfan 25]

What are the things that make the xxxx and the x50 pretty close?, because other than the tongue and holder, I only see different liner, foam, footbed and so on... I am really interested in buying a pair of x50 so ny info is apreciated.

The X:50 obviously has new features, just like the one75 being upgraded from the one90. They addressed issues with the skate as well as modified it to fit the new line. It is a comparable skate, it's not the same skate.

And a one75 or x50 cost at least 400dollars, 450 for the x50... a U+ 09 clocks under 300dollars (it's lighter and better crafted than a one95,still havent got my hand on the x60 :( )...

Never touched the skates but you still make a pretty bold statement on the quality of the entirety of the Nike/Bauer and Bauer skate lines. I don't know how someone that hasn't touched the skates, let alone use them can know the design and features are "useless."

The X60, what you got, completely useless Xrib shit (still dont understand if it's just for the ugly design or something else), all the others new/useless "features" well emphasized by the communication department of the company...that u seem to swallow big time!

Seeing how some masturbe on the new liner ...

Actually it's so pathetic, as they probably didnt know how to sell a repainted xxxx, all they found was the ridiculous hid and seek game before the official release... like if the skate was developped by the NASA, afraid of the KGB spies they were ... soon they gonna make you believe it's the last generation of bioweapon...

I'm just saying that, objectively they are selling some skates with nothing new, no innovation, no shit,... so all those one95, x60,.. were probably way less expansive for them to pull out than a truely revolutionary skate as the one90 was... they start on a one90 basis/old vapor X generation (no huge costs for research, development and co)... at least they could have done an effort on the price..

But..

no wait selling a high end BAUER skate at a reasonnable price doesnt sound right..

So instead we should increase it.. so the dumd ass will think

EXPENSIVE = GOOD, BRIGHT SIDE OF THE FORCE, NEW, extra centimeters for my penis...

All good for them they are selling a skate that cost less to produce at a higher price B) (we all that putting the skate deep in the ass)... only thing is that the vaseline is not provided with those skates.

Don't let them think you are mugs!!

So yeah CCM that come with a good skate at a reasonnable price deserve all my admiration..

I don't know where you get that the skates are better crafted. I have heard very little issues with the one95 skates and the skates have been out for over a year. Less than a year and last years CCM line is being torn apart by reviews of denting and shredding sidewalls. I've had my one95s for nearly a year and they are going plenty strong. I can't tell you one person that can say that about the U+. We'll see how this new line of CCM skates hold up, after all they've only been out for a short time... not to mention their marketshare is soo low, you'd be hard pressed to find a reasonable sample of users wearing them in the first place.

I also love how you rag on Bauer's pricing for what you call "no innovation" yet you think that Graf is the "best skate manufacturer." So I guess their prices are justified despite the lack of innovation there.

I don't even know why I'm bothering. This thread is like listening to the homeless guy at the airport that wants me to by his manifesto.

[duch 0]

It seems Graf has jumped on the lightness bandwagon as well with their G Series skates. They have begun to sacrifice some of their durability to regain some market share with the other major manufacturers. So I guess it doesn't really matter that much because your still shelling out six hundred bucks plus for a top end skate no matter what make your buying nowadays. I guess the trick is to find the manufacturer that is making the most durable skate so you can get the most for your money. Right now that seems to be either Graf or Bauer according to the previous posters.

[Vathsdrop 0]

Graf skates are overpriced in US, plus they are not made in switzerland..

In europe it's way cheeper and they are manufactured in switzerland ;)

Most of the time in shop you'll get additionnal rebates on 7xx graf series.

Most expansive brand here is by far Easton, the worst thing is that in some country there's no warranty on sticks, that's probaably why no one will put 300euros on a S17

[starsfan71 9]

Graf skates are overpriced in US, plus they are not made in switzerland..

In europe it's way cheeper and they are manufactured in switzerland ;)

Most of the time in shop you'll get additionnal rebates on 7xx graf series.

Most expansive brand here is by far Easton, the worst thing is that in some country there's no warranty on sticks, that's probaably why no one will put 300euros on a S17

Please just stop posting this crap TBLFAN is completley right about the one75 being and upgrade to one90. I have a pair and like them but also have a pair of Grafs and like them even more. So please try and see this as no biased.

[Bender 0]

Most expansive brand here is by far Easton, the worst thing is that in some country there's no warranty on sticks, that's probaably why no one will put 300euros on a S17

How much can be said for CCM's sticks though?

[Vathsdrop 0]

The trouble is that you just can't bash your own tuff..

I have some tacks 952 (2001-2 or so), they are absolute crap, there's no questions about that and i'm fine with it B)

Because some power member (JR) said one75 is an upgrade of one90...

You should try to get your own opinion and not just blindly believe what's written here or on the bauer website

You sound like completely brain washed people... just repeating the same thing that we saw on every kiddo hockey forum.

It's been 20years (i'm 23 now) i'm playing ice hockey, so it's probably not some youngters or some late onset skaters who will teach me what a good skate is...

Not to mention that those brands manage to make you buy their 600$ skates (100$ for a new liner -> Wouuuuu ) or 200$ stick (when we know that there's tones of brands but only 3 factories in the world...) with no problem at all... no one seem to wonder WTF is that so expansive every year for the same shit ???

(It's exactly the same with Porsche actually, they sell a GT2 60000$ more than a Turbo to get less)

Some people are paid a lot by your favourite brands to put in your brains all those ideas without actually any foundation...

[TBLfan 25]

I find it funny that you are trying to call people(that use or have at least handled the product) out on "blindly believing what is written here" yet you are STILL making assumptions about these skates you "haven't gotten your hand on yet."

[starsfan71 9]

The trouble is that you just can't bash your own tuff..

I have some tacks 952 (2001-2 or so), they are absolute crap, there's no questions about that and i'm fine with it B)

Because some power member (JR) said one75 is an upgrade of one90...

You should try to get your own opinion and not just blindly believe what's written here or on the bauer website

You sound like completely brain washed people... just repeating the same thing that we saw on every kiddo hockey forum.

It's been 20years (i'm 23 now) i'm playing ice hockey, so it's probably not some youngters or some late onset skaters who will teach me what a good skate is...

Not to mention that those brands manage to make you buy their 600$ skates (100$ for a new liner -> Wouuuuu ) or 200$ stick (when we know that there's tones of brands but only 3 factories in the world...) with no problem at all... no one seem to wonder WTF is that so expansive every year for the same shit ???

(It's exactly the same with Porsche actually, they sell a GT2 60000$ more than a Turbo to get less)

Some people are paid a lot by your favourite brands to put in your brains all those ideas without actually any foundation...

First off I don't like the one75's because of reading stuff on these boards. I like them because they are light comfortable and the stock steel and holders are perfect IMHO. You are basiaclly being a hypocrite by saying people can't bash their own stuff or what they like.

Second off if I can't bash my stuff then why do I complain that the heel is a tad too skinny in my one75's and that my easton shoulder pads are just too bulky at the top but too weak at the bottom. What I am trying to say is that you are "brainwashing" people towards CCM and then saying bauer is some huge brain washing corporatiion.

Sorry for the angry post.

[ridindirty 11]

(It's exactly the same with Porsche actually, they sell a GT2 60000$ more than a Turbo to get less)

:lol:

I see your point but that argument is pretty dumb. I'm assuming you understand why they take the AWD system away for the GT2?

[Leafsrule16 5]

The one90 later got updated as the one75. The one95 was a further advancement of that technology, while the one75 was an updated replacement for the one90 skate. So there are two thermoformable skates in the Supreme line, one being at the $400 pricepoint. Then you have a X:60 skate that has the nicest liner I have seen in a skate, along with advanced internal foams... but simply because they look similar to the XXXX and XXX design it HAS to be the same skate, just redressed. Following the X:60 is the X:50 in the line, which is pretty close to the Vapor XXXX but at a lower pricepoint. Yeah, what a rip off... how dare they take old high-end skates and add them into the product line at a lower pricepoint, for shame.

CCM skates, there's the pinnacle of innovation right there. Tacks, Externos, Vectors, U+... Such incredible advancements before the U+, they put t'blades on Vectors, NOW THAT'S INNOVATION! ...THEN who would have thought there might be some issues with a first run of new technology in how many years for CCM skates? ...Even then the U+ was 2+ years behind Kor and 2 years behind NBH.

Dont believe that, compare a one90 to a one75 same with XXXX/X50, people thought already like that with the XXV being the same than old XXX/XX... you'll see from those comparisons that only one pair really look like a high end skate...

Dont know about you, but in all case I rather prefer the old top of the line...

Don't know why people are saying that , probably to feel more confident in saying that the new top of the line skate is WAY better than the one from the previous year line..

And a one75 or x50 cost at least 400dollars, 450 for the x50... a U+ 09 clocks under 300dollars (it's lighter and better crafted than a one95,still havent got my hand on the x60 :( )...

Of course, i'm sure that for none of us on this forum a x60/one95 over a x50/one75 would make any difference on our skills :P

That's why i'm always saying that for non professional player, there's no point (except the show off thread) in going for high skates...the model just below will do just as fine...

Anyway U+ 09 for less than 300dollars is quite something i havent see for a while..

To me the gear that deserve to break your wallet is definitely the stick. Because indeed, first this the one thing that has hugely evolved lately and second there's indeed a true difference between the high end model and the lower ones ;)

My shots have change a lot, but I don't think i'll skate faster with x60 than with some old graf 709 ...

I partially agree with what you said there, what ive been doing lately is buying last years top of the line models, save quite a bit of money and you know what your getting versus buying something that just came out. I had a few bad luck experiences with : vapor xx, vapor xxx and i almost bought u+'s untill i heard about there flaws. You can usually pick up a top end pair of skates from last year for $400ish which isnt too bad, gives me room to buy a few ops's each season.

But on the graf sidenote, i woudlnt be so sure of that. Going from graf g9's to vapor xxx's i realized a big difference in my speed, just because the grafs were so heavy i had to work harder to skate.

[Gr8erade 1]

I find it funny that you are trying to call people(that use or have at least handled the product) out on "blindly believing what is written here" yet you are STILL making assumptions about these skates you "haven't gotten your hand on yet."

Yeah, as the guy who started the thread, I've noticed that there's not a lot of people who have actually used the skates I asked about yet.....

[larrivee 3]

I tried a retail pair on yesterday, seemed a little deeper than last years U+, still a very wide heel.

[Ahriman 1]

Because some power member (JR) said one75 is an upgrade of one90...

You should try to get your own opinion and not just blindly believe what's written here or on the bauer website

You sound like completely brain washed people... just repeating the same thing that we saw on every kiddo hockey forum.

I just had a Bauer Rep in my store. He said the One75 is an improved One90. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that he, and thus JR, are correct. I'm sure I can get his contact information if you would like to correct him.