Calls in Minor Hockey

[chippa13 1844]

My general rule of thumb: Would I be pissed if that call were made against me and would I be pissed if it happened to me and it wasn't?

[jdaves 0]

again, i agree, but there is still a line.

for example: break-away, defensive player catches up, wacks the PUCK away, attacking skater trips over defensive players stick.

the right call, or the way i have been taught is to survey the situation. was there an attempt to trip after the puck had been cleared away? if not, play continues. if so, a minor for tripping is assessed.

9/10 times in a minor hockey game, an officials right arm will go up, cross over the head, and point to centre ice. wrong call.

i know for umpiring, i have been given a book, called "You Make The Call" it depicts situations as this, only relatting to baseball. i think Hockey Canada and USA Hockey or how ever it is referred to in the U.S.A needs to come out with a resource such as this, because this book alone has helped me understand the game, from 2 different points of view; what i thought was correct, and, what is correct. there are MANY MANY MANY situations as the one i just mentioned that can occour in a hockey game at any given time. imput?

[chippa13 1844]

As I understand, the rule now in USA Hockey is that if you leave your feet and the guy goes down then it is a penalty, regardless of getting the puck first or intent.

[jdaves 0]

I am going to double check with Hockey Canada to verify!

[Chadd 916]

i know for umpiring, i have been given a book, called "You Make The Call" it depicts situations as this, only relatting to baseball. i think Hockey Canada and USA Hockey or how ever it is referred to in the U.S.A needs to come out with a resource such as this, because this book alone has helped me understand the game, from 2 different points of view; what i thought was correct, and, what is correct. there are MANY MANY MANY situations as the one i just mentioned that can occour in a hockey game at any given time. imput?

USA Hockey has the "situations and interpretations" book, that has been combined into the rule book given to officials. I always thought that the S&I book was more informational than the rule book itself. Now that they are combined, more people should be reading it. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case in my area.

[chk hrd 164]

again, i agree, but there is still a line.

for example: break-away, defensive player catches up, wacks the PUCK away, attacking skater trips over defensive players stick.

In USA hockey it is a tripping penalty regardless if the puck was touched first

[jdaves 0]

correct me if i am wrong, but is it not if that the player self inflicts the trip (ie. skates over the players stick on purpose to try and create a power play) a dive is too be called as opposed to the "accused tripper" getting a trip. I have always based my call on if it were a i guess you could a "pre-meditated act"

i dont feel a player should sit for 2 minutes, when they did not cause the trip, even if a player skates over it.

[furlanitalia 1]

correct me if i am wrong, but is it not if that the player self inflicts the trip (ie. skates over the players stick on purpose to try and create a power play) a dive is too be called as opposed to the "accused tripper" getting a trip. I have always based my call on if it were a i guess you could a "pre-meditated act"

i dont feel a player should sit for 2 minutes, when they did not cause the trip, even if a player skates over it.

I think it depends on the situation. If a guy is coming down 1-on-1 and the defenceman goes for the poke check and the forward steps on his stick and falls down, I'm most likely going to call it a trip. Was it an accident? Yes, but it is the player's responsibility to keep control of their stick. Same as a high stick on a follow through.

Now if a player tries to hop over a stick or step over it off a face off (where the stick was stationary and under control) I most likely won't call it as the player who went down was simply trying to get over/around it. And unless he tries to draw a penalty I'm not going to call a dive either.

[Chadd 916]

i dont feel a player should sit for 2 minutes, when they did not cause the trip, even if a player skates over it.

Your feelings are irrelevant, only the rules matter once you put on the stripes. It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with a rule, they all get called the same way.

[jdaves 0]

Now if a player tries to hop over a stick or step over it off a face off (where the stick was stationary and under control) I most likely won't call it as the player who went down was simply trying to get over/around it. And unless he tries to draw a penalty I'm not going to call a dive either.

That is what i am getting at!

[furlanitalia 1]

That is what i am getting at!

Yah but you said if a player steps on a stick you don't feel its a trip. It all depends on the situation: did you keep control of you stick and the player fell over it, or was your stick out of control and the player tripped over it? Same with high sticking. If your follow through is high and clips a player above the shoulders it's a penalty. The moment your stick comes up be it intentional or accidental it's a penalty. It is your job to keep control of your stick and body.

I feel like this post should be in the "Why do guys with Half Shields get mad when..."

[Chadd 916]

Yah but you said if a player steps on a stick you don't feel its a trip. It all depends on the situation: did you keep control of you stick and the player fell over it, or was your stick out of control and the player tripped over it?

Or did you put the stick into his feet or skating lane giving him no option but to step on the stick? Unless the puck is there, your stick has no business being in a guys feet.

[zebra_steve 11]

If there is absolutely no question that he went for and got the puck with a poke check (and did not leave his feet) it's not a penalty...

Rule 639 Tripping

(a) A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on any player

who shall place his stick, foot, arm, hand or elbow, or

extends the leg (Leg Checking) from the front or from behind,

in such a manner that it shall cause his opponent to trip or

fall.

(Note 1) If, in the opinion of the Referee, a player is

unquestionably hook-checking or poke checking the puck

and obtains possession of it, thereby tripping the puck

carrier, no penalty shall be imposed.

(Note 2) Accidental trips that occur simultaneously with or

after a stoppage of play will not be penalized.

Any player who deliberately leaves his feet and contacts

an opponent with any part of his body thereby causing the

opponent to trip or fall shall be assessed a minor penalty

(Clipping).

(Note 3) This rule does not apply to a player who has

dropped to his knee(s) to block a shot.

[jdaves 0]

that clears that up

[zebra_steve 11]

Dave,

That's how it "should be called" in USA Hockey sanctioned games.... Look it up in your own rules book to see if there is similar language in Canada..

[jdaves 0]

stupid different rule books!