Mission S500

[beaucoup_fish 0]

Ok, so here's the dilly:

I thought I needed a size 10, but got a 9D because that's what felt good in the store. My toes fit snug (not uncomfortable) agains the toe cap as is. I haven't broken them in yet, but keep in mind that I bought these at 1AM in the store - so, far from the ideal time of 3-4PM when your feet are biggest. I was also wearing them around the house and after about 20 minutes, my right foot was numb (I wasn't moving my feet, just sitting there playing NHL 2005) - too tight or too small?

What I'm worried about is that when my foot heats up during a game and swells, the skate will become uncomfortable and painful. Should I go half a size up?

For reference, the TUUKs on my Supremes are 280, but the Pitch holders on my S500s are 272...

EDIT: shoe size is 9.5-10 depending on maker. I wear a 9D in my supremes.

[djinferno 2]

same type issue here, i just got a new pair from JUSTIN (Mission guy)

the skates feel great but from the ones i tried in the store (when i lived in Canada) to the ones he sent me, it seems like there a half size bigger.....

now i havent heat molded them yet and they feel a half size to big, he sent me a 8EE (as i requested) and i feel i would need a 7.5EE gadging from the pair he sent me....

Now my problem seems to be minor since i havent skated with em yet but i'm in Georgia right now and from calling the phone numbers i got of the mission website for official dealers, no one carries the S500 so trading em or trying an other pair to compare seems imposible.....

skate sizing is a mess, i also think that web-buying skates (new products) is a sure miss, you almost surely have to pay twice for em to get what you want....

Can someone here tell me where i can purchase S500 missions in georgia....

[PiKappaPhi 0]

sorry inferno, nowhere in savannah, macon, or augusta has them. I am not so sure about atlanta though. There is a great proshop in Woodstock Ga, but I can't remember the name, they might carry them.

[Jim A 4]

I believe it has been pretty constant with Mission that a lot of people feel a larger size fits..then when the skate breaks in, especially in the heel area, and your foot slides back..it becomes way to big..since it was big to begin with..

for me, i like a snug fit..but everytime i buy a pair of skates..and they feel as if they may be a touch too small..they fit perfectly after a skate or 2..

[djinferno 2]

hopefully, i'll find a place where i can try a 7.5EE.....

I hate getting new skates

[djinferno 2]

I believe it has been pretty constant with Mission that a lot of people feel a larger size fits..then when the skate breaks in, especially in the heel area, and your foot slides back..it becomes way to big..since it was big to begin with..

for me, i like a snug fit..but everytime i buy a pair of skates..and they feel as if they may be a touch too small..they fit perfectly after a skate or 2..

i like em snug too, only skate that fits me like i like em are my Mission RPM Rollers

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

I have a pair.

If you want them, PM me.

You'll have to pay shipping both ways however

[2048 0]

I believe it has been pretty constant with Mission that a lot of people feel a larger size fits..then when the skate breaks in, especially in the heel area, and your foot slides back..it becomes way to big..since it was big to begin with..

for me, i like a snug fit..but everytime i buy a pair of skates..and they feel as if they may be a touch too small..they fit perfectly after a skate or 2..

Same thing happened with my S500s and RLs. I bought 8Ds and at first they hurt, but now they're perfect.

[mipcel 0]

These skates are Crap! If you looking for hockey skates you won't find anything good made in China.

[Chadd 916]

These skates are Crap! If you looking for hockey skates you won't find anything good made in China.

Having actually used the skates I have to disagree with you. A skate can be made well anywhere in the world, it's just a matter of setting high QA standards. Graf is the only company that doesn't make a skate in china and not all of theirs are great.

[thejackal 46]

you won't find anything good made in China.

Think again, biatch!

:lol:

[Jim A 4]

So much high end stuff is made in China nowadays...unfortunately its typically better quality, more easily changed,etc than here in the States...

[beaucoup_fish 0]

Very true...and if you don't think that Chinese labour is capable of making quality product, consider this: BMW and Mercedez Benz have opened plants in China. Also, just about everyone makes everything in China, Thailand, Taiwan or the Philippines now. All major skate makers have their products made overseas, except, like Chadd said, Graf Canada - whose quality has gone to shit anyway. 90% of the shit everyone owns is probably made in China or has had components assembled in China.

[djinferno 2]

Very true...and if you don't think that Chinese labour is capable of making quality product, consider this: BMW and Mercedez Benz have opened plants in China. Also, just about everyone makes everything in China, Thailand, Taiwan or the Philippines now. All major skate makers have their products made overseas, except, like Chadd said, Graf Canada - whose quality has gone to shit anyway. 90% of the shit everyone owns is probably made in China or has had components assembled in China.

you guys are talking some real racist shit around here... bottom line is most people from there are hard workers from wat i know...

[Chadd 916]

you guys are talking some real racist shit around here... bottom line is most people from there are hard workers from wat i know...

People everywhere can be hardworking. My only complaint is that it helps a nation that also employs prison populations for production and abuses the rights of their own citizens.

I am not implying that any hockey company uses forced labor, I'm sure none of them would stand for that type of behavior.

[beaucoup_fish 0]

you guys are talking some real racist shit around here... bottom line is most people from there are hard workers from wat i know...

People everywhere can be hardworking. My only complaint is that it helps a nation that also employs prison populations for production and abuses the rights of their own citizens.

I am not implying that any hockey company uses forced labor, I'm sure none of them would stand for that type of behavior.

Dunno about that Chadd...most of you probably know about Nike's past atrocities with regards to foreign labour...granted they have been better since the public backlash...getting heavy into some social debate about China's human rights record here Chadd, something that's probably best avoided on this board. Doesn't the U.S. employ prison workers to manufacture some things? License plates come to mind, but that was probably just that Simpsons episode that has corrupted my mind with ignorance on the issue.

DJinferno, how is anything of what I said racist?! I just indicated that Chinese folks are very capable of making a quality product and that most consumer products are now made overseas, much of it in China. I am, btw, Chinese.

[Chadd 916]

I agree with you about Nike, they have a terrible record in regards to that. As do all of the major shoe manufacturers. No proof that it has happened in their hockey products though.

I don't see why there can't be discussion on a topic that is relevant when discussing the country of origin for most hockey products. There are hundreds of articles concerning the actions of the Chinese government that can be found online.

As for prison labor, they are paid in the US and often it is job retraining. Something that will give the inmates a chance to earn a legitimate living once they are released into the general population.

[beaucoup_fish 0]

I was unaware that U.S. inmates were paid. Better system. Well, I'm not saying it's not a relevant issue of today, it's just that it really is one big, red SENSITIVE button (that I don't feel has much to do with how skates are manufactured). However, I agree that their human rights record has been terrible in the past, but it's really isolated to a few major incidents (namely Tibet and Tiananmen) which didn't even have to do with labour. It would be unfair to accuse the Chinese government of treating manufacturing labourers poorly, when in fact, it is largely the responsibility of those Multi-National companies running the factories to practice socially responsible business.

[mipcel 0]

Chadd's on crack! It’s cheaper to have it made in China so the hockey companies can make more money!

[beaucoup_fish 0]

I'm sure Chadd knows that it's cheaper to make things in China, but the point he and I were both making is that things made in China/Thailand/Taiwan/Philippines don't necessarily imply that the quality is inferior because it was made by foreign labourers.

The manufacturers are definitely lining their pockets by using overseas factories though...

[Justin 1933 134]

These skates are Crap! If you looking for hockey skates you won't find anything good made in China.

I love the smell of ignorance in the morning...

[MDE3 0]

I have been involved with selling (mainland) Chinese made products in a different industry, and I can say that over the last 20+ years their quality has certainly been improving pretty dramatically. For those of you too young to remember, the same arguments were used against Japanese products 30 - 40 years ago....

In my own personal experience, I have seen many cases where "new" product quality control is still pretty weak, as their industry does not yet have enough manufacturing/user history to recognise potential problems in advance and before the products hit the streets. Products that have been out for a few years, are generally pretty good.

Unfortuately some of the incredible savings in these products had not only to do with using less expensive labor, but also to do with a manipulation of currency...in a manner that defied certain World trade accords...I am now speaking of goods made in mainland China....

I have detailed personal experience with this, so this is not some sort of vague rant. The Chinese government was for a time unable to convert much of their currency on the world market, and for quite a while were desperate for $US...so they took steps which circumvented certain trade laws, in order to sell their products on the world market. Due to the sensitivity of this information I will not devulge the exact mechanism of how this was managed. Suffice it to say that what they were doing was selling a product that cost them about $65,000 in hard foreign currency to manufacture, and selling that equipment for as little as $30,000 USD in the market place...and yet internally they were still making money.....

And yes prison labor has long been used here in the USA to supply cheap labor for manufacturers...I believe the "rates of pay" may be somewhat "token" though under the guise of deducting the cost of "retraining" these workers from their salaries. We as a nation tend to get a little too righteous at times about the behaviour of others....when their behaviour does not suit us...

[beaucoup_fish 0]

We as a nation tend to get a little too righteous at times about the behaviour of others....when their behaviour does not suit us...

Hear hear! Well said.

[mipcel 0]

So why don't they make skates for the pros in China instead of North America?

[beaucoup_fish 0]

I believe it is a customization issue mostly. The skates that are made overseas are all exactly the same. They adhere to one standard - it's mass manufacturing.

The pros all require different specs for their skates and so it is far easier to have someone in North America do the work on a pro skate than to send specs overseas. That and the factories in China are probably not equipped to make skates in small batches - as is required for custom stuff.