tml_bte89 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I live in Quebec. Here mostly everyone speaks french. We all mostly do get along but there are a lot of french people and english people who hate each other and i don't really get why. You guys probalby heard of the quebec separatists, about ten years ago a poll was done and 51% of quebecers voted on staying as part of Canada and 49% on leaving Canada. It was really close. But things have changed since then and if the poll was done agian it would be around 60-40 or 70-30, but there are still those french people that feel that way. It gets really annoying at times. It sort of gets racist sometimes. Once I went to the store and was speaking english and a group of people were looking at me angerly and were mumbling damn the english in french. I think if they want to form theyre own french speaking country they should leave Canada then. There are lots of them who hate Canada. I heard them repeatly boo the national anthem. That really gets me mad. Can we all just get along? But i'm not gunna change because of them i repeatedly wear my Team Canada jersey to school, proud to be a Canadian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I know it's sort of racist, I don't know why a lot of people in quebec are like this, but it's really stupid. I think the vote would 40-60 and not 60-40, because there are a lot of people who hate USA and the rest of the Canada because they don't speak their langage(language, it's one of the 2) or they hate them because I don't know why, I'm not this kind of person so I can't really know why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GekigangarIII 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 It's not racism... it's elitist snobbery that causes the hatred. It's not that the French want to "leave" Canada, it's that they don't want to be associated with Canada or the US... you know, because they're so much better than the rest of us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beaucoup_fish 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I can't say for sure, but I get the feeling that part of it is the fact that French, although an "official" language of Canada, doesn't get the widespread acknowledgement that English does. Anywhere west of Ottawa/Hull and east of Quebec doesn't have a significant Francophone population, and as a result, I think that it creates a sense of isolation in the French speaking communities in Quebec - it probably already feels just like a separate country to many. There are no French language signs or anything else outside of Ottawa/Quebec that would indicate Canada as a bilingual country and I think that has made many Francophone Canadians angry. On a lighter note, imagine IF Quebec were a separate country today...they'd have pretty good international hockey teams...their goalies would dominate and they'd have guys like Lemieux, St. Louis and Lecavalier - give the "New Canada" a run for the money...in any event, a separation from Canada isn't exactly viable, considering the massive costs and minute intricacies of starting a new country... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejackal 46 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I feel strongly about this, but i'd decline to comment because of the amount of obsene language i would have to use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beaucoup_fish 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Elitist snobbery?! Man, I've been to Paris, and no way are the Quebecois anywhere NEAR as snooty as Parisian French... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler9 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 It's not racism... it's elitist snobbery that causes the hatred. It's not that the French want to "leave" Canada, it's that they don't want to be associated with Canada or the US... you know, because they're so much better than the rest of us I agree. Another thing that doesn't make much sense is they want to separate from Canada but still use our currency ;) . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mseguin 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Ir coems down to history in part. Given the history of Quebec (or New France) its unavoidable that there will always be tension between English and French. I have both French and English ancestry (roughly equal), was born in Ontario but grew up in Quebec most of my life and have also lived in Ontario, and have seen the attitude directed both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I think the majority of people in Quebec realize there wouldn't be much for them if the left Canada. They would have difficulties on their own, they originally had hopes of getting under another (France comes to mind) countries wing and use them for a bit of leverage. However the french they speak is looked up in a very poor manner and most "true french" speaking Nations would want no part of them. Think of the Gyspy English from Snatch, if you're having trouble with that concept. I think the seperatists get alot of press because it boils the blood and its gets talk going. They will only focus on the ones who are unhappy, they won't focus on the ones who are. Think about it, walk into a mall and talk english, I bet 50% of the people won't be upset. English is really an international language. It is taught and spoken almost everywhere. Looks at the members on the board, we have people from all over the world who speak english, but how what are the numbers going back the other way?I think they needed a 60-40 vote at least to even get a thought of seperating. Then there would've been another only Quebec vote and possibly another cross-country vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaming_june 2 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 there was a time in montreal were the canadian beer was baned from pubs because it was named "canadian"... even though the molson was right in town.i don't mean anything by this but.. man.. those frenchies..rem how they booed the US national anthem?or how they booed saku koivu b/c he and riberro had a fight in practice?uh... i mean, i know french ppl from montreal and quebec city who moved to the west coast cus they couldn't take the , as my friend called it "fascism". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejackal 46 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 f-ing french faggots...oops, silly me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beaucoup_fish 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 f-ing french faggots...oops, silly me Don't think that was necessary, considering that there are a significant number of French players on this board...look out...you're rapidly dropping to Vapor status. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 how they booed saku koivu b/c he and riberro had a fight in practice? The thing you don't understand in this incident is that Ribeiro is 10 times more popular in quebec than Koivu, so it's why they booed Koivu instead of Ribeiro.For the US national anthem, that was pretty stupid.Think about it, walk into a mall and talk english, I bet 50% of the people won't be upset.I bet 90% won't be upset if it's not more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The thing you don't understand in this incident is that Ribeiro is 10 times more popular in quebec than Koivu, so it's why they booed Koivu instead of Ribeiro.For the US national anthem, that was pretty stupid.I think that was the point. Koivu is a much better player(and person by most accounts) but since Ribeiro is from Quebec, he is more popular there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Kovy - that was exactly my point, the people who are in favour of seperating get the attention rather than the people who have no problems being part of Canada.Chadd is bang on. Kovy your right they booed Koivu because he is less popular, but Ribeiro is more popular because of his french heritage. Hell you guys (majority of French Hab fans) chose a guys who's produced for 1 regular season over someone who beat cancer, and has led your team for the past decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGaGa 162 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Kovy your right they booed Koivu because he is less popular...Hell you guys (majority of French Hab fans) chose a guys who's produced for 1 regular season over someone who beat cancer, and has led your team for the past decade. Keep in mind those are the same fans that gave Koivu the longest Standing "O" in Forum/Bell Centre history when he returned for the first time after his Cancer treatments were done.Montreal fans love Koivu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Some do, but more seem to prefer Ribeiro since their little spat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The one major thing I've noticed about Montreal fans is the jumping they do. They hop from scene to scene whatever they can use as leverage they will. Koivu beats Cancer, he's our idol. Koivu leading the league in scoring until he hurts his knee, he's the next Gretzky. I know my vision is a little off being a Leafs fan, but it just seems the loyalty is not there. I mean with all of their history there was talk of them going under a few years back, and they stopped selling out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_The_Man_16 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Also being a Toronto fan, we do the same thing. Some people expected Antropov to score 80 pts last season. Obviously everyone else know that wasen't going to happen. We in Toronto (IMO) overrate Sundin and Mogilny quite a bit too. Still it's all what the media says, people are like sheep, one person says something, and alot follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Also being a Toronto fan, we do the same thing. Some people expected Antropov to score 80 pts last season. Obviously everyone else know that wasen't going to happen. We in Toronto (IMO) overrate Sundin and Mogilny quite a bit too. Still it's all what the media says, people are like sheep, one person says something, and alot follow. Anyone who thought Antropov was going to score 80 is an idiot. I'd be willing to bet that Sundin is one of the more under-rated players in the league by people outside of Toronto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I agree that Toronto fans expect and overrate players. That was not my point in that post, it was the amount of jumping they seem to do. From my experiences the Leafs have had tremendous fan support through thick and thin. I know we've had our Tickets for over 25 years and the threat of dropping them has always been there because we know their would be no way to get them back. There is obviously the classic Leafs which will always be a hero to the fans, much like Montreal's, but I cannot remember a (practically) rookie Leaf getting a vote over someone who has been the heart of the team for over 10 years, but now I think we may be alittle off track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mseguin 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Any team's fans is gonna cheer for the hometown boy over the "foreign" guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Any team's fans is gonna cheer for the hometown boy over the "foreign" guy. To a degree yes, but someone who plays with little heart and is unproven over their Captain? I am not a fan of Koivu, I think he is overrated, but my personal feelings cannot dispute that he is a good player and the heart of the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The "one of us" sentiment seems to be the most important part of the equation in Quebec. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDE3 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Never forget that in it's glory years, "les Glorieux" ...the Habs..had the exclusive rights to all the talent from Quebec...not a bad farm system.....I believe Canada is still the largest contributor (as a country) of players to the NHL, but has anybody checked recently on what percentage of those Canadians are from Quebec..I would venture to bet close to half...So when you say the allegiance in Montreal is to "one of us" you are correct....but there is a lot of history beyond just a sense of "provincial nationalism". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
