Easton sticks true lie

[icewalker_bg 126]

Hello fellow msh'ers, i have recently purchased a easton se16 sakic 85 lie 5.5 . i really like the stick because of eastons flex rating where you need to cut it to get to its true flex, and which is good for me because i cut them. Now i have a little dillema, i noticed an unusual wear only at the beginning of the heel. compared it with my ccm u+ and the lie seems higher, id say 5.5 or even 6 maybe.

i play with 5 usually. my u+ 102-2 is a lie 5.5 uncut, but when cut is seems like a 5 and i get an even wear on the blade. i believe the easton is more like a 6-6.5 lie when uncut and 5.5 lie when cut to its marked flex, so they expect you to cut it too for the lie? is that possible?

both sticks are cut to the same height, which is appr. 2.5" less, and when put one next to the other the se16 seems indeed a higher lie towards the front of the blade

[Half 2]

It doesn't change the lie of the blade, that's a static angle between the shaft and the blade. Changing the length of the stick may change the lie that you need. There are three factors that all work together to get it all right.

1. Hand position

2. Stick Length

3. Lie

If you change one, you may well have to change at least one of the other two. For example; If you go from a 5 to 5.5 lie, you will need to either make the stick shorter or carry your hands higher in order to have the blade flat on the ice.

[icewalker_bg 126]

i dont believe that that answer my question in any way, my question is very specific to eastons lie, not how to get adjusted to lies and so on

[Half 2]

i dont believe that that answer my question in any way, my question is very specific to eastons lie, not how to get adjusted to lies and so on

Alrighty then. Most places use Easton as the standard for measuring lies. As far as I know the lie is measured at stock length. To spout off more quotes from people that know better than I

It will vary from pattern to pattern because all patterns have a rocker of some sort and each slightly different rocker + lie will result in a different answer. A 4 lie Draper might equal a 5.5 lie sakic but maybe a 6 lie Zetterberg, etc...

[flaming_june 2]

It kind of does since you seem to have a misunderstanding of the lie. No I don't believe easton has a higher lie and lower listed lie than other companies, from experience.

[icewalker_bg 126]

perfect, i have thought of the possibility of the curve change might play into something even they are similar. but i still think that since easton requires you to cut the stick to get to the advertised flex, they require it too for the lie, so an advertised 5.5lie is really a 6 lie (i know it doesnt change in numbers, im just explaining how it feels in my hands, im aware now that even if you cut it a 5.5lie doesnt become a 5) when uncut, at least thats my logic

[steelnation248 102]

perfect, i have thought of the possibility of the curve change might play into something even they are similar. but i still think that since easton requires you to cut the stick to get to the advertised flex, they require it too for the lie, so an advertised 5.5lie is really a 6 lie (i know it doesnt change in numbers, im just explaining how it feels in my hands, im aware now that even if you cut it a 5.5lie doesnt become a 5) when uncut, at least thats my logic

Since everyone holds a stick differently, a 5.5 will play differently from person to person. Some people keep the blade in closer when they shoot / stick handle and some hold it further away from the body. You just have to experiment with each pattern to find a happy medium between height, lie, rocker, and how you hold the stick. This true if they are clone curves or completely different patterns.

[wrangler 157]

perfect, i have thought of the possibility of the curve change might play into something even they are similar. but i still think that since easton requires you to cut the stick to get to the advertised flex, they require it too for the lie, so an advertised 5.5lie is really a 6 lie (i know it doesnt change in numbers, im just explaining how it feels in my hands, im aware now that even if you cut it a 5.5lie doesnt become a 5) when uncut, at least thats my logic

The stick doesn't require cutting to get to a particular lie. As stated earlier, cutting the stick doesn't change its lie. The lie of the stick will work fine for many different players, though some will cut it, some won't, and others will add extensions. If a given lie doesn't suit you at your chosen stick length, you need a different lie. It's not about the lie number, it's about what combination of lie and length suits you.

[icewalker_bg 126]

perfect

[mtc 0]

if u cut it, the wear will move a bit more towards the toe. It doesn't literally change the "lie" cuz the lie is the angle from the blade and shaft but it does change the angle of the blade and the ground. So cutting your stick does have similar effects as a different "lie"

[icewalker_bg 126]

exaclty, thats what i meant in the first place, i just didnt write properly. to change the lie youll have to move the blade up and down lol

[Chadd 916]

The stick doesn't require cutting to get to a particular lie. As stated earlier, cutting the stick doesn't change its lie. The lie of the stick will work fine for many different players, though some will cut it, some won't, and others will add extensions. If a given lie doesn't suit you at your chosen stick length, you need a different lie. It's not about the lie number, it's about what combination of lie and length suits you.

Absolutely correct.

CCM and Easton also traditionally measured lies differently, a 5.5 from CCM should feel like a lower lie than an Easton 5.5

[AIREAYE 248]

That's why I really hate trying to figure out what to say to a customer who wants to know about lie. They're probably going to cut it, the lies vary by each company, they might want an extension on it etcetc. Resort to eyeballing it...unless anyone has a better idea?

[Chadd 916]

unless anyone has a better idea?

I'm working on it.

[wrangler 157]

Something I'd like, as a customer, would be a small platform to stand on, about the difference between shoe (or sock) and skate height, next to a stickhandling surface. I could always slide my grip down, if necessary, to simulate a cut stick; a slip-on extension for trial purposes might help, as well. That way I could try different combinations of lie and length.

Maybe some shops have these; I haven't seen it.

[Chadd 916]

Something I'd like, as a customer, would be a small platform to stand on, about the difference between shoe (or sock) and skate height, next to a stickhandling surface. I could always slide my grip down, if necessary, to simulate a cut stick; a slip-on extension for trial purposes might help, as well. That way I could try different combinations of lie and length.

Maybe some shops have these; I haven't seen it.

Black Beauty used to have a small riser that went with their display stand. It helped when you used that in conjunction with their lie detector to help find the right stick. If only the detector had been accurate.

[AIREAYE 248]

Something I'd like, as a customer, would be a small platform to stand on, about the difference between shoe (or sock) and skate height, next to a stickhandling surface. I could always slide my grip down, if necessary, to simulate a cut stick; a slip-on extension for trial purposes might help, as well. That way I could try different combinations of lie and length.

Maybe some shops have these; I haven't seen it.

We have that, it's part of the Rapidshot setup and another tool in addition to eyeballing lies haha

[wrangler 157]

Black Beauty used to have a small riser that went with their display stand. It helped when you used that in conjunction with their lie detector to help find the right stick. If only the detector had been accurate.

Never thought of trying a polygraph. But, seriously, it sounds like the way manufacturers assign lie numbers, it's more of an art than a science. What I've gathered from info here is that you just have to try the stick and see if it works for you.

We have that, it's part of the Rapidshot setup and another tool in addition to eyeballing lies haha

I haven't been to all the shops in the Chicago area, but I've been to several, including some big ones, and haven't seen that here.

[Chadd 916]

Never thought of trying a polygraph. But, seriously, it sounds like the way manufacturers assign lie numbers, it's more of an art than a science. What I've gathered from info here is that you just have to try the stick and see if it works for you.

I've been working on a rig for summer jam to hold the sticks steady in front of and on top of a grid so you can compare them in the pattern DB. I didn't want to tell anyone in case I couldn't pull it off, but I have a few days off and I might as well put some pressure on myself to make it happen.

[wrangler 157]

I've been working on a rig for summer jam to hold the sticks steady in front of and on top of a grid so you can compare them in the pattern DB. I didn't want to tell anyone in case I couldn't pull it off, but I have a few days off and I might as well put some pressure on myself to make it happen.

Looks like you just did. Doesn't look like I'll be there, but I'm hoping to make the winter get-together.

[sharks25 9]

Well I thought that I might as well just bump this thread up Instead of starting a new one.

I have a dolo with the draper curve and just ordered an ST with the Sakic curve. Will the lie on these sticks be the same?

[Chadd 916]

Well I thought that I might as well just bump this thread up Instead of starting a new one.

I have a dolo with the draper curve and just ordered an ST with the Sakic curve. Will the lie on these sticks be the same?

What version of the Draper? 4, 5, 6?

[sharks25 9]

I believe 5. Are they normally 5 unless you specify otherwise?

[Gefiltefish 9]

Yes, Draper is normally a Warrior L5 unless you specifically ordered it as L4 or L6.

I owned all three lies of the Draper at the same time, as well as an Easton Sakic. I found the L5 played closest to the Easton.

I ended up liking the L4 better though. I bought all three to play with stick lengths and what not. I played with them all at the same length and also used different lengths (L4 ending up 1 inch longer than the L6 and .5 inch longer than the L5).