J Clips on Helmet

[gmill 0]

Hey guys,

Are the J clips really needed to have a cage your bucket? No check league but still fun competative. What are consequences for not using them? Furthermore, can you put a Med cage on a Large Helmet?

Thanks

[Chadd 916]

No J clip means a better chance of getting a concussion if you get hit on the chin. It also increases the chances of a cut shin or neck, depending on how low the cage hangs. There's really no benefit to not having them and the only down side is the extra buck or two it costs to replace them.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

J clips are never used when testing a helmet. They are on the helmet to keep the cage from side to side movement. Any up ward impact should be taken by the chin cup being tightly done up to your shin however that kind of hit should be illegal anyway but if you were to get one the J clips would do nothing to prevent any further injury as per testing done.

And yes a med cage fits on a large helmet...always fit the correct size of cage for your face.

[bigdmac 12]

I find you usually go down one size with the cage from the helmet. It could just be my face, but most of the guys on my team with a cage have it set up like that.

[wrangler 157]

The cage manufacturer should have some info on which size cages will fit on which size helmets. I've seen charts supplied with some cages.

As to the J-clips, it seems they'd add some resistance, and absorb some impact energy.

[rachael7 1]

The J-clips may or may not help with concussions - I'll defer to the experts on that. But they do add to comfort in that a light tap to the cage won't get transferred as much into your chin. No reason not to use them, so put them on per the manufacturers' recommendations.

[RWP3 0]

Initially, I think the J-clip helped disipate the impact energy to the chin, but it also kept alot of us from properly fitting the chin cup to our chin. I go with the notion that it is better to have a proper fitted chin in chin cup (without the J-clip) while wearing a mouthpiece than having the mask dangle a 1/2 in or more from the face. With that extra dangle you now get the extra impact of the chin cup on the chin in addition to that wonderful elbow you just received.

[gmill 0]

With the J clip in place I feel like my chin cup is not in the proper position. If I remove the J clip I can can get the additional room to brin the bottom of the cage to my chin. I have the J clips thier highest postion if that makes sence. I have a new RBK 6K helmet and I purchased the 11K cage which is very nice by the way, love the flat bar.

That is why I am cotemplating on removing J clips, furthermore, on Cascade M11 web site they mention that J clips are optionla under the question and answer topic.

[AIREAYE 248]

With the J clip in place I feel like my chin cup is not in the proper position. If I remove the J clip I can can get the additional room to brin the bottom of the cage to my chin. I have the J clips thier highest postion if that makes sence. I have a new RBK 6K helmet and I purchased the 11K cage which is very nice by the way, love the flat bar.

That is why I am cotemplating on removing J clips, furthermore, on Cascade M11 web site they mention that J clips are optionla under the question and answer topic.

It sounds like you got an incorrectly sized cage. Try a size smaller and see if that helps.

[wrangler 157]

Sounds like it requires crunching numbers, with assumptions on the distance between the cup and the chin, and the magnitude of the impact and acceleration, to reach a conclusion on whether the J-clips would help.

[Chadd 916]

I have to agree with it sounding like an incorrectly sized cage.

[mnwild9 0]

I have played with clips on and off my helmet and have had the same hits and nothing is different when getting a concussion. Now I go without them cause how I wear my cage. I wear a jofa cage and they fit different on my helmet

[wetwilly17 6]

there is an old thread on here that already discusses this issue in good detail. if you purchase a bauer cage, it will say in their own literature that the j clips are not required and are used only for comfort in order to keep the chin cup off the chin. read the little booklets that come with your cage.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

there is an old thread on here that already discusses this issue in good detail. if you purchase a bauer cage, it will say in their own literature that the j clips are not required and are used only for comfort in order to keep the chin cup off the chin. read the little booklets that come with your cage.

That is most likely older information as all manufactures now would agree that they would like the chin cup as tight as possible.

As for the J clips again they are not needed as per CSA and HECC but according to the package for the cage they are required? Still waiting on an answer how that works from the last meeting.

That being said as long as the cage fits firmly on the chin that is your best bet. Any "dangle" is not safe and cause secondary impact in which is a contributor to concussions.

[s4gobabygo 0]

j clips are highly debatable, even among experts. the 2 main camps are:

pro: they will help to redirect a small amount of energy around the head to the helmet in the case of a frontal or upward impact.

con: if the helmet is even somewhat incorrectly fit, or if the cage is not sized and fit correctly, and j clips are used, that impact is more likely to partially or even completely dislodge the helmet, which can be very dangerous.

in an ideal world, all our helmets and cages would fit perfectly, and we'd all have j clips.