length difference from width change?

[BRUINS_FAN_74 19]

I currently use CCM RBZ skates in 8E (pro stock). Would the length change if I tride 8D? I had length issues with Bauer when I tried 8.5EE and 8.5D, the D was too short.

[laserrobottime 149]

Pro stock skates are usually (usually) true to size regardless of width.

[AIREAYE 248]

Length as an absolute measurement will not and should not change. However, some people may feel that they have lost a bit of length because their foot is now sitting in a different position.

[laserrobottime 149]

That's not true. Bauer EE width skates at retail are .2" longer than D of the same size.

[AIREAYE 248]

Proof?

[laserrobottime 149]

http://hockeytutorial.com/skating-tips/ice-hockey-skate-sizing-chart-width-and-length/

Didn't you and I get into this last time the topic came up? I recognize the source is hardly authoritative but it echoes my in-the-field experience.

[BRUINS_FAN_74 19]

Bauer is for sure shorter in length when going D to EE.The distributor here in Australia even confirmed this.

[AIREAYE 248]

Yeah I think we did. I respect the fact that your line of thinking comes from somewhere other than personal experience, but I still disagree with the source.

Your experience doesn't echo my fitting experience so I'll continue to disagree. Doesn't matter to me really, I don't see the point in arguing and neither have I the time haha.

Bruins, you're saying EE is shorter than D?

edit: I fired off a couple emails to my Bauer & Reebok/CCM reps. Let's try and get a clear answer for this

[laserrobottime 149]

Thanks for checking, Aireaye.

[AIREAYE 248]

Reebok/CCM has NO difference in length between widths.

Waiting on the Bauer reply...

[AIREAYE 248]

Bauer has NO difference in length between widths.

I guess that's the end of that debate.

Bruins, you have your official answer.

Feel however, is as I described in my first post.

[laserrobottime 149]

Well, I stand corrected.

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Vet88 674]

Bauer has NO difference in length between widths.

I guess that's the end of that debate.

Bruins, you have your official answer.

Feel however, is as I described in my first post.

I have no idea how they came up with that statement. I to used to think that there is no difference in length but a while ago, on this forum, those more wiser than me pointed out there was.

I was curious to test this myself so I went and had a discussion with our one and only LHS (who are the Bauer distributor in our country). They were surprised by my question and themselves thought there was no difference in length. They let me get every Bauer skate in sizes 6 to 11 with a D and EE and measure them. I pulled the footbeds out and measured those, on average around 2mm difference in length. I used a adjustable measuring rod to measure the inside of the boot, again around 2mm difference in length. Besides any differences between the various models (vapour / supreme / nexus), the same sized Bauer skates in the same model range differ in length between a D and EE.

Unfortunately, been a small shop in a small country, the LHS doesn't have an extensive range (make that almost no range) in any other models - Easton / CCM / Reebok / others. If someone, who owns or works in a LHS or likewise shop, would like to try the same exercise in another brand and chime in it would be appreciated.

[BRUINS_FAN_74 19]

No, the D was short for me than EE.

For me to fit in a D I had to use a size 9, in EE a size 8.5

[t6lock 24]

I was at a Bauer experience a few years ago and told the guy I could wear a 6.5D, but not a 6.0D (tried on previously in stores and had constant pressure on my toes). There were no 6.5s and he ended up giving me a 6.0EE and it DID seem to have more room than the 6.0D.

[AIREAYE 248]

OK, once again, I will repeat.

The absolute lengths, measured using a special metal ruler that can be inserted from heel to toecap, between the widths are the same.

However, since EE skates are obviously wider, they may FEEL longer because your foot can settle a little more. Feel is the kicker, and differs for every person. This does not make it a rule that all EE skates are longer than Ds.

[Vet88 674]

I didn't stick my foot in a single boot I measured so feel had nothing to do with what I was doing. Every Bauer boot, from size 6 to 11 in D and EE measured to a different length.

I'm not the only person who will vouch for this and the post I read that sent me off on my measuring mission was from Chadd or JR (I can't remember which one), who have a fair degree of experience in this area.

[laserrobottime 149]

Isn't Keith Duffy a MSH member? Can we get the straight dope from him? We have reps giving different answers, so the category manager should have some say.

[mickz 107]

Isn't Keith Duffy a MSH member? Can we get the straight dope from him? We have reps giving different answers, so the category manager should have some say.

Technically he is the stick guy now but he will have the answers ;)

[t6lock 24]

I was at a Bauer experience a few years ago and told the guy I could wear a 6.5D, but not a 6.0D (tried on previously in stores and had constant pressure on my toes). There were no 6.5s and he ended up giving me a 6.0EE and it DID seem to have more room than the 6.0D.

I didn't mean for this to come across as a fact, I should have specified that this was my experience, and that the Bauer employee did not actually state that they were bigger.

[AIREAYE 248]

Isn't Keith Duffy a MSH member? Can we get the straight dope from him? We have reps giving different answers, so the category manager should have some say.

So far, the only one who has spoken to their reps in this thread is me, unless I misread something.

If I remember, I'll fire off an email to Keith within the next few days.

My rep is a vet, representing the GTA and (iirc) S. Ontario. They use a special extendible metal ruler that goes from heel to tip of toecap to measure length in mm, rather than a footbed.

[brutal_sar 4]

Just wondering... why would Bauer put a larger size holder on the EE width skates of certain sizes if there was no difference in length between the D and EE?

[McDugan 89]

Dont know if this is why, but I would think having a little more blade on the ice would help provide stability to the wider skate.

[Tom90 0]

I have only compared a size 7.0 EE with a 7.5 D and a 7.5 EE bauer x:60( the old top end skate) and the wider skates were definitely longer so that the 7.0 EE had about the same lenght as the 7.5 D

[Larry54 243]

I don't know if skates follow the same conventions as shoes, but here's a quote from a shoe website. " the grading of shoes is such that when you go up one width, you not only add more girth, you also gain up to a quarter inch more length as well. Thus, a 10 EEE is both a wider and a longer shoe than a 10 D or E." And I've read that elsewhere too, so it's not a peculiarity of that shoe company.