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When I get home from overseas doing sharpening training I will send you a video of how many Newton's it takes ZERO . in worn holders. and I have had it happen in ones 3 months old. And was movable out of the jig. Stop the bs that it doesnt happen. I have had it happen in XS holders produced before a certain date( have to look again) but it's the laws of physicis. plastic cant lock in a more substantial material and keep it firm. Especially when on each stop on the ice the blade is under pressure and in some cases vibrates in hard stops. I also have slow motion video where you can see it flex. to the point it effects the stride. ex: A top gthl player in Toronto was about to play in the OHL cup last year at this time. He was in a scoring slump and not skating as well. Mother noticed it. I had mentioned numerous times they were lose but superstitious fidnt want to change. Mom who was an avid player herself made him come in so I could show him how bad they were. His new slates had arrived but didn't want to change to them as his coach Paul Coffey wouldnt allow it. Paul is funny like that. His kid no problem. anyone else on the team unless it's broken fix it dont replace Anyway we changed holders after I showed him and he tried on his new skates he could feel it. Player went in to lead the OHL cup in scoring and was drafted 5th overall. So yes it's a problem. Hope that's real world enough for you. You blow me away thinking we are making this up.

Clamp the steel in the vice then push firmlyish on the side of the skate. You are looking for the holder to move from an upright position and deviate to the side. If it is loose enough you will clearly see the holder go on a lean.

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Got my new Hg98 gloves in! The protection is way better than I thought it would be. Was not sure as I couldn’t find an XP model. Plastic inserts in the whole glove and the Kevlar patch will hopefully make them last longer https://imgur.com/gallery/qaeSL6v

Bit of both and if they don't really notice it they aren't willing to pay for it. Remember that it doesn't suddenly let go, it happens over time and you are adapting to it every time you skate. I'm not saying every edge holder has this issue but it is more significant in edge than any other brand.

No, you don't notice. In general, at least in my experience without a great deal of force and effort, you wont actually notice the blade moving if you are trying to do so by hand. It's not until the boot gets put in the jig to get sharpened that it becomes noticeable, and this requires a sideways mounted jig, a sparx or any other vertical mounted boot holder will tell you sweet fa. As to sample bias? I sharpen skates. I don't have any bias other than the fact it's an edge holder that predominately flops. Everyone needs skates sharpened, regardless of skate brand. I see every type of brand and edge holders are the worst. Admittedly I don't do hundreds of skate a week, I live in a small town where ice sports are a niche market but I'm only echoing what other high volume, quality professional sharpeners have seen every day, @oldtrainerguy28.

Then it sounds like you haven't worked in a shop sharpening skates. It's an issue I see daily, put the steel in the clamp and watch the boot flop. Most players don't care because they don't want to pay for the repairs and for a beer league competition it just doesn't make things that much better. Talk to anyone who cares about their equipment and it's impact on performance (at least in my experience) and then it's a different matter.

I am not so sure about that, there are already way more players using the new CCM XS holder than I would have imagined.

Lightspeed and before were from the "old" Bauer. Not just that, but as stated above, the Edge holder is not efficient and the top level players are going to change to anything that will give them a step up. This is why you're seeing guys moving to different steel, holders, skates, etc. CCM and True now have products that rival the edge in terms of functionality as well as being better in overall quality. This could obviously change as those are still relatively new, but unless Bauer changes the edge holder, it's going to be able to keep up with these new holders. People want choices. They don't want to be railroaded into equipment just because. I'm not sure why Bauer wouldn't have wanted to work WITH Step, especially at the top end of their skate lines. I feel like this was a huge misstep (over the course of many missteps by Bauer) to achieve greater customer return purchases while offering some of the best steel in the market. Bauer is also doing the same thing with the Easton tech they acquired. If you're following anything dealing with the new Flylite taper, they're already having issues with breakage on these sticks and many of the pro's that are "using" them are actually using something else with the flylite graphics, usually ADV vapors. We as consumers need to voice our concerns so they start actually providing decent products again.

Howdy, I'm comparing clones, not direct Bauer stuff, but I just switched from p28 to p92... The p28 (TC4 in my case) lie is the same as the p92 (Sherwood PP96 and TC2) from the heel until just a bit past the mid blade. Then on the p28 the rocker continues upward (putting the toe higher) as compared to the p92. Its early days yet, but so far I'm finding the p92 to be more forgiving of not having the puck in the exact right position on the blade. Mark