Hey Guys, I was the member who PM'd syinx. Syinx, thank you for such a great reply ! Very appreciated. So here is my dilemma: I have tried all of the "traditional skates" over the past 2 years; Bauer NXG's, Reebok 11 and 20k's, RBZ's, etc... in search of the perfect skates. I though I had it with the 11k's = no pain and great performance. Then I tried the Makos. Wow. The performance was incredible. Like going from a honda accord to a Ferrari. The only problem is that they started to cause great pain to my feet. (let me first state that I have completely flat feet). I was able to punch out a few hot spots, but the main problem is heel pain in the form of haglund bumps. (Bauer bumps, heel spurs, whatever). I couldn't give up the performance of the makos, so I put bunga gel pads on each foot. Felt good while skating, but the pain would come after the game, And even worse the day after. The makos were literally destroying my feet, even with thick gel pads. I was getting red swollen bumps on each heel. My thought was that the makos are so forward pitched and my feet so flat, that it was the holder making my feet uneven in the skates. So when skating, on the balls of my feet, my heel is raised and rubbing the back of the boot. ( my own hypothesis, I could be wrong). I had to recently go back to my trusted 11k's ( bought a new pair for $200 from ebay). No pain whatsoever but limited performance vs what I know I can do in the Makos. So I found VH skates in my quest to merge Mako performance with no pain comfort. The problem is, how do I know that I will not get the same heel pain/Spurs that I get from the makos ? I love the forward pitch, but I can't risk spending $1000 and have the same problem as the makos. Can anyone shed some light as to why I am getting heel spurs from the makos ? They fit perfectly length wise, I mean my toes are right up against the cap (perfect for me). If I put a CXN holder on the VH, wouldn't I have the same pain as the makos (if my hypothesis above is correct) ? My 11k's have e-pros, which I thought were forward pitched, but I have zero pain. I've searched the posts, but I've never read of anyone with makos having heel pain/spurs problems with them. Any insight you guys might have is greatly appreciated. I think I may e-mail VH direct with the info above and see what Scott thinks. Thanks Chris