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Do you know how much more they will be then the off the shelf super tacks ? I wish there was a phone app that could take pics and formulate a 3 d imagine from that

Check out that goalie mask one of my best friends air brushed. When I saw these skates my first thought was a cobra head on the tongue

Sounds fascinating. I have to find information that is visual . Graph or out line format or listen about it.

Why tuuk blades?

How did you end up doing it ? Looks good. But if you went to go take a leak in the locker room I would put bells on your laces 😆

Colins, I'm happy you love your machine . And I want the machine and the company to thrive . I'm a fan of the machine . My points I have been doing a poor job of conveying are (1) I don't want the company to get smothered with warranty claims from customer abuse (2) to the people buying it use it as it was designed a family home sharpener (3) if you are buying a Sparx because you don't think you will be able to do the job on a manual machine, stop thinking that . It' not that hard .anyone can do it . I have only good expectations for this machine . I actually reached out to the CEO and threw out a sales strategy that will increase market penetration by at least 40% . And another model idea that saves even more time . Real talk: lots of people are dis honest : we know there will be machines being abused.: from over use,from someone with I don't care not my $$$ attitude , from a team of players doing there skates every day . We know machines are going to be purchased in a way that is going to be used as a family sharpener ,then use for teams or divisions ,uve an entire YH organization . And if the machine breaks because of these things it won' be revealed to the company this is how it was used. Some people are going to get one over on them . (4) not enough time has passed to prove longevity.. My opinion is if the machine is used for what it is intended for it will last along time.

Yeah agreed. To respond to you on my point was trying to make is . If customer x sees one machine is $ and the other is $$ . If the home model is purchased and used to do heavy volume , the company may see warranty claims that should be considered customer abuse. And void the warranty.. I'm looking out for Sparx.

Agreed.

Are both models the same price stewie?

Black stone sells a stand alone wheel dresser that can work on other machines with tables. So being they sell there device to dress wheels on other brands; I bet they would be willing to create a wheel to fit sparks so they create another revenue source. It is a no brainer if that many people want it for a Sparx machine. It's a win. Win for both companies. My machine doesn't have a table to mount the black stone spinner assembly. I would have to make a mount. I have never skated on the fbv nor have I machined it in a skate. I would like to see how that hollow feels .

No you can't have your skates ruined. Im saying if the person is good and he or she is gradually losing business to home machines being use for convenience only. Not because the guy at the shop sucks. If the person is bad at grinding skates, probably bad at the other aspects. That person deserves to go under . Because it's not hard to do a nice job. It's so easy. It should never be messed up . And I realize you can't police why some one buys it . I get that .And if shops are doing hack work they shouldn't stay doing it . And to advocate for sparks, I think it's a good product and does what it' designed to do well I watched it work. What worries me for the company is taking machines back that were abused. I know if that was in my school locker room every player would have fresh edges every time we went on the ice . 17 pair every day for 3 months season 1750 sharpening and if the have a lower level team say that's 1500 one school 3,250 sharpening a season. You use it do you think it will survive that ?

Changing blade holders the rivit arbor is 600 labor to change holders 100 margins on the holder and steels 20% . Laces ,tape,sticks, skate,pads brobably average 30% to 40%margins. The sharpening is gravy after the 170 pair , put a pair of laces and three rolls of tape with a sharpening 40 in the register in 10 minutes . In my area there is 4 times the hockey played now then from when I was a kid . There is one lhs in about 400 square feet , barely hanging on . Then there is the giant . When I was a kid there were two lhs that had inventory one had two sharpening machines, had a 1500 square foot sho. Another one about the same ,less inventory about same size . They did well . Now there gone .

Another thing I'm trying to say is if we want the lhs to be there for proper skate fitting, changing a holder ,all the other stuff that you absolutely need them for ,you gotta give them business or they won't be there much longer .

Bottle: shin guard tape . I would ask an official first. I said if you saw a cage 1 Or dupliskate. ..would you hand your skates over ..... I imagine the fbv is going to be available. What's the fbv like ? Ok is this thread a group of hockey people talking about pros and cons of a product? Or is it about juicing the product ? Every fn con I have spoken of,most in defense of the companies financial interests ; is being defended or responded to in a smart axx snarky way. I'm not being that way to the inclusive you . I hope sparx has a small processor in the machine to count how many passes the machine did over a period of time so they can tell the machine was doing work it wasn't designed to do .

No that's not wtf I'm saying . They are in two separate worlds . I'm saying manual sharpeners are not the magic most think. I'm saying is if the automatic machine is used beyond doing the families skates the machine won't hold up to it .Like a team 16 pair twice a week problems are going to accur . I'm saying if this is the plan you would be better off with a manual machine. And sparx will be better off because they won't be stuck doing warranty work on machines that were essentially abused

Slice a plastic soda bottle and cut it slice it and put it on the posts

You may have a point with dialect.

You are welcome, see the wheels on the automatic machines are metal with abrasive on it . When these wheels need to be replaced it is because the abrasive is all gone. So this is indicative that each time that wheel is used it is losing the abrasive material. So after it does 30 sharpenings it has less abrasive material. The manual wheel is replaced when the diameter is at the discard size. The abrasive surface is still as affective as it was when it was installed. I am hearing alot of people wanting the automatic home machines because they can't get a good job done or travel to get a good job done or convenience. This thought is not for everyone: if there is a need in the area maybe someone should fill it . The mess ,it's not with a vacuum cleaner connected. Also the small pro machines are portable; do the skates at the rink , maybe make a couple bucks. Or a team or an organization can buy a machine . No I have never used or handled the fire machine. I did look it over ,and can see how it's done and see the potential points of having issues. This coming from an engineering, technical sort of mind. I made my first sharpener after bringing home a free skate holder from the rink and scavenging things from neighborhood trash as a kid . Also the automatic machine for home hasn't been in service long enough to prove standing up to time . Another question: if your skates are starting to get dull but useable and your team has a game two towns over and you see a lhs on the way to the rink so you think I should get them sharpened. You walk in and you see one of the commercial auto sharpeners on the counter ; would you hand your skates over or skate on what you have ? The cagone, dupliskate, etc . I think most would use the skates as they are (?)

Sure : when you manually sharpen a skate ,the operator can feel the blade on the wheel. The sensation of what you are going over, like the difference between running your hand over skin that's perfect or skin that has been weathered . This gives you the message to the brain how to react to that . You can feel a blad that has a slight valley in one section. You can feel how different areas of the blade are cutting. That metal looks the same ,but there are slight variants in the make up you can compensate for; and it' just intuitive to do. Then there the hollow with a manual machine you can put any hollow from 5/16 to 13/16" . Then there are the wheels, you have an abundance of grit,hardness, the make up of the wheel meaning ceramic % . The speed going over the wheel you have complet control over. With experience then you can modify a blade as you would like .The other is the surface of the wheel .You can have the same wheel surface until the wheel is to small in diameter. The auto sharpener essentially looses abrasiveness as it does multiple sharpening ,the 20th skate is being done with a different wheel surface then the 1st pair . The manual machine you redress the wheel and as far as it' compound it's fresh . These things make a huge difference. And most of the mechanics of doing the job are going to be intuitive from feeling the skate go over the wheel.

And what folks are seeking or expecting. is professional grade results

Well I imagine that they aren't taking cash out of pocket to demonstrate these products.. And they may even be getting paid to show the product. The guy that did this video all the video I see he does is about product reviews or pitching. The hockey movement person or people. Jeremy brings alot of teaching along with the product introduction. And he gives a true opinion of the products .And the guy has skills ,has wheels and hands . He can actually test the performance of a premium skate . I. Like how he goes to camps and clinics and shows power skating. The power skating people inviting him are a bit circus like with the hydra blading, jumping over the stick as skating, demontrating movement at speed. To teach it ,the best way is to do it slow break it down into steps. And it can't be taught in groups more then three ,because corrections need to be made as the movement is being done . Jeremy puts out a vibe of cincerity. As far as automatic sharpening machines, I don't get the appeal . You can do a better job with a manual machine, lower operation costs. And if you are mechanically inclined enough to change a toilet seat you have the capacity to learn how to do a decent job playing around with a pair of cheapo skates a few evenings.

There is a citrus based finish remover . I tried it on a piece of furniture and it was not strong enough for that but it may be perfect for that. Another thing that could work is a scotch brite pad .

Jason you know what would be cool is trying the wrapp that's used on custom cars . You could do all kinds of stuff . You could have your number pop from a contrasting color .

Is the fbv here to stay or a gimmick? I never skated on it. When I played I skated on 3/4" hollow . Now as a gimp 5/8"

Yes the top one is what I stumbled on .