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Just the fact of the area of applied pressure being smaller makes its effect more damaging, from a simple physics explanation...essentially, yeah, it's like a battering ram.
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Nice Jensen. What's the blade geometry like?
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Is it possibly more damaging due to the raised portion concentrating the pressure into a smaller point? Almost acting like a nail, even through that pressure. Plus, I can see that plastic not absorbing as much of the impulse as the softer body of the boot next to it.
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Very true. I forget that sometimes
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But the same foot doesn't fit the same size skate going from brand to brand or line to line--to me, if it's going to count, those ifs have to be whacked. When you look at the Bauer skates without the extremely light elements like the Supreme tongue or the old vapor tongue, the higher-tech liners, fusion steel, etc., then they're not all that much lighter than the Mako or the RBZ. I'm not disagreeing with your point, Bauer does make the lightest skates, but it's also misleading in my mind because you're comparing apples to swiss cheese then (without addressing those ifs). If Easton made a XLite Mako, with 30% lighter steel, an integrated tendon guard (exploding even), etc., then the gap wouldn't be so big in that direction. Also, a size-8 RBZ doesn't compare with a size-8 Supreme or Vapor, if I'm following what I've read on here. So even just to weigh the sizes out of the box appropriately, it would be better to weigh all of the sizes and plot them per line so you could do a better (more toward a normalized) comparison.
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I just took those weights from Hockey Monkey, where they didn't have the Mako II weight when I checked, but what surprises me about the whole weight interest is there is no effort to compare the skates as apples to apples: we should be looking at the boots minus the weight of the steel to nullify the influence of scalloped or alumi-fused steel, and we should also subtract the weights of the holders, since those can be swapped at will as well.
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Bauer NXG 708 (fusion steel) Bauer MX3 720 (fusion steel) Bauer APX2 766 (fusion steel) Bauer one.9 784 Bauer 190 794 Bauer Nexus 1000 810 (fusion steel) Bauer X100 812 Easton Mako 816 Bauer X7.0 820 Bauer X90 824 CCM RBZ 830 Easton RS 844 (scalloped steel) CCM CL 858 (scalloped steel) Graf G75 862 RBK 20K 864 (scalloped steel) Easton EQ50 866 (scalloped steel) Graf G75 872 RBK Ribcor 896 I have to run off to dinner, otherwise I could add the original prices to, but the Makos fare decently well, especially considering they have removable tendon guards. Integrating into the boot should save some weight against that redundancy, I would guess. Also, if I'm not confused about it, skates that fit large, like the RBZ where an 8 (Hockey Monkey's measuring size) would fit a bigger foot, would be skewed negatively by that method. Similarly, Graf, which fit small, would be skewed positively.
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It's just that, the Mako's are not really that "heavy" are they? They're not the lightest out there, but they're close. They'd also feel a lot lighter if Easton had a similar product to Bauer's fusion steel, right? Which skate do you prefer due to its lightness (if we just focus on that characteristic)? If you want a stiffer and lighter Mako, maybe VH would do the trick, but I'm just guessing, I don't have anything to go off of there.
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One thing I love about MSH is how it's helped me cut through this kind of question. Once I found a stick that worked for me, I still had little idea why it worked, until finding this forum which helped clarify how the different pieces contributed to the greater whole, and of course, by extension, allowed for each of those components to be analyzed and modified, optimized individually. MSH is where I go to find a scientific approach to feeling good on the ice, and if icewalker_bg feels better out there, it may be due to some other reason, which, once isolated, can be leveraged for even better feeling later. As he put it, you make a few small adjustments here and there and pretty soon, you're significantly better off. If your equipment is that much better suited to your unique proportions, you'll excel beyond your previous best. That's my paean to MSH.
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Are you really quicker? Blind taste test: have you timed your skating through set courses and compared? What skates are you comparing to your Makos that you feel quicker in? It could be something other than the weight. It also could be the weight, but have you ruled out other things?
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Nah, not a glitch, you can see the date, April 2 2014--it was to photomatch with the MIA gloves that Penguin Fan 96 picked up, seen just above the photo of Demitra with the ONE60. And yeah, Demitra used wood for a long time, so Bauer did the best they could I guess, dressing his sticks as something people might recognize when they were shopping.
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Huh, interesting. The LS2's I skated on only had a decent amount of steel on one foot, so I never really got a good feel for the holder.
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Good to know. I've used LS2 and it's been fine. How do you mean the towers would compress, you could feel them loading like springs or something?
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Just because they're sticking out, but I can see in my head how a VH boot would be trimmer around its base, so that may be why they look so huge; also, as you mentioned, no negative space in these. I mean how high the boot is lifted by the holder itself--compared to older Tuuk Custom+, EPro, etc. I thought Edge and SpeedBlade were both higher holders than previous, ie, LS2. It just looks like the boot is off the ground higher, almost to the point of a lot of roller chassis+wheels.
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Sweet. Didn't even notice the tongues until you called them out. They look quite nice. Huge holders, but I would do the exact same. This is the first time it's occurring to me with these taller holders and steel, but how high are boots being lifted, front and back, compared to before and compared to roller setups? Have you gotten to try them out yet? And are those waxed laces, Graf? Ok, enough with the 20-questions, I'm removing myself before my envy gets too much more embarrassing
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Cool! How are the AX1's, specifically in the fit between the backhand and the thumb. It looks like some negative space has been removed there compared to the Franchise fit. And what pattern on the stick, W28?
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But, Gretzky...
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But you've got to see the other side, hilarious:
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But he wore Reebok in his early AHL days and for his NHL coffee, so I think he's just saying that generally. Could still be DASC, but it wasn't, strictly speaking, that he started wearing them exactly when he went pro.
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Haha, I thought maybe it was a joke about hockey player articulacy :)
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I was looking for that info last week, I dug up somewhere on here that, summary: the Mission skate bake oven was set to 175-degrees Fahrenheit or roughly 80-degrees Celsius, convection (hot air), which makes the oven's temperature uniform inside.
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Another Panther, Brandon Pirri.
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I agree, it's always a bit odd looking at your gear after playing and seeing where you get nicked up.
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Did you get sliced by a skate up there? It looks like the leather and stitching got cut.
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Mark Stuart says his are built in (one or both of the videos previously in the thread) It doesn't appear to make the skate look that different. Thinking the shot blockers are literally built in, hidden underneath the otherwise normal surface of the boot.
