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Sakic or Forsberg

By ponty, in NHL Discussions

Given the new world in the NHL if you could only keep one who would it be?  

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chippa13    1844

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Forsberg is every bit as clutch as Sakic. In 1,155 games, Sakic has 75 game winners (6.49% game winners per game) and Forsberg has 38 in 580 (6.55%).

Then let's look at playoff performance.

Sakic 153 games, 78-91-169 +6

Forsberg 133 games, 57-97-154 +47

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Eazy_b97    1

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Sakic elevates the team to a different level. I'd love to see the number of games each has missed in playoffs and the teams record.

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chippa13    1844

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Sakic handed the cup to Mr. Ray Bourque.

Thats more than enough for me! :D

Still have mixed feelings on that one. But I was at Govt Center for the rally he had with the Cup.

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ponty    0

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Any guy who wants to come back and play an NHL game days after a spleen surgery is clutch. Clutch is not the question here.

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Chadd    916

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Forsberg has missed about 15 playoff games since he and Sakic started playing together. Joe missed one that Forsberg played in as far as I can tell.

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Modo22    0

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Forsberg IS clutch!!! Anyone who says he is not the one to look to for the game winner is wrong! And he does go 100% to be in that ideal position. I actually think he tries too much sometimes and that causes the injury.

Any guy who wants to come back and play an NHL game days after a spleen surgery is clutch. Clutch is not the question here.
Good Call! It wasn't days, but close enough. Clutch is not the question.

And if one does look at records with and without Forsberg you will see Forsberg is a huge contributor to the win column. It is actually kind of a one sided stat. Now is that stat weighted because Forsberg plays less games, probably, but their record is much better with him in the line up.

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Eazy_b97    1

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Forsberg IS clutch!!! Anyone who says he is not the one to look to for the game winner is wrong! And he does go 100% to be in that ideal position. I actually think he tries too much sometimes and that causes the injury.
Any guy who wants to come back and play an NHL game days after a spleen surgery is clutch. Clutch is not the question here.
Good Call! It wasn't days, but close enough. Clutch is not the question.

And if one does look at records with and without Forsberg you will see Forsberg is a huge contributor to the win column. It is actually kind of a one sided stat. Now is that stat weighted because Forsberg plays less games, probably, but their record is much better with him in the line up.

Much better than without Sakic? I don't care about # of wins, show me the percentages because then its even. I could be wrong, and I am by no means saying Foppa is anything than a top flight hockey player, but he is not the Avs goto guy, and from everything I've heard and seen, he is not Sweedens.

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Chadd    916

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Forsberg IS clutch!!! Anyone who says he is not the one to look to for the game winner is wrong! And he does go 100% to be in that ideal position. I actually think he tries too much sometimes and that causes the injury.
Any guy who wants to come back and play an NHL game days after a spleen surgery is clutch. Clutch is not the question here.
Good Call! It wasn't days, but close enough. Clutch is not the question.

And if one does look at records with and without Forsberg you will see Forsberg is a huge contributor to the win column. It is actually kind of a one sided stat. Now is that stat weighted because Forsberg plays less games, probably, but their record is much better with him in the line up.

Of course the record is better with him in the lineup than having him miss the games. The question is the win% when he is out and when Joe is out to see if there is a large difference.

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Modo22    0

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I will try to look into that %. Unless someone beats me to it.

But I agree that the number will be skewed because of the number of games played due to injuries.

Regardless I voted for Joe and I am sticking to that for other reasons other than who is more of a goto guy.

And about Sweden…….don’t ask me, I think that certain players play well with others and horrible with the rest. I will not disagree with you there. He is not Sweden’s goto.

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hockeypunk3    0

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

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chippa13    1844

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

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mack    44

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

That's a little misleading because Sakic was on some horrible Nordique teams back then.

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hockeypunk3    0

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

Yes, i did see that post it was only for the playoffs. I have just done a little more research and the numbers show Peter as a superior defensive player. My apologies, Back to the topic, if you take a look at Avalanche All-time Leaders It shows Sakic as first in all franchise offensive categories.

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Chadd    916

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

That's a little misleading because Sakic was on some horrible Nordique teams back then.

I agree but that shouldn't be reflected in the playoff numbers. His PP production will hurt his +/- more than anything.

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McCabe24    0

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I am going with Sakic, he is pretty much always given less talent to play with and is much more consistent in his point production. Add in his leadership and I think he is better to build a team around especially with Forsberg's health and "desire" to play in Sweden.

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$-Money9    0

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They're both amzeing players but as everyone is saying Forsberg is always injured(which is true). He's missed alot of games over the last few years. I'd definetly go with Sakic.

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chippa13    1844

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

Yes, i did see that post it was only for the playoffs. I have just done a little more research and the numbers show Peter as a superior defensive player. My apologies, Back to the topic, if you take a look at Avalanche All-time Leaders It shows Sakic as first in all franchise offensive categories.

And he should. Sakic has played over 200 more games with the franchise than the next player and almost twice as many as Forsberg. Another thing to consider, Sakic had the luxury of playing in the goal happy NHL of the late 80's/early 90's.

I'm not saying Sakic isn't a great player. I'd take him on my team in a second. But, if I could only have one of the two, the nod goes to Forsberg.

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chippa13    1844

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Joe Sakic, he is good defensively, great in the neutral zone, fast on turnovers and deadly in the offensive zone. I think that Petey has fantastic skill in the neutral and offensive zones but sometimes lacks in his back checking and defensive zone coverage.

Did you check out the career playoff plus/minus numbers that I posted above? They tell a different story.

That's a little misleading because Sakic was on some horrible Nordique teams back then.

Not really. Sakic only played in the playoffs once before Forsberg joined the Nords. Now taking the +/- of that one playoff out of Sakic's stats and Forsberg still has him beat +47 vs +9.

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