Interesting Foppa article

[Guest 2048]

Interesting article about why he may leave.

One thing, why is he "arguably the most complete player of all time." Bull. It's Howe, no question about it.

Edit- here's the article...oops.

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=1625711

[ponty 0]

Not that I disagree ... but ... did you ever see Howe play. If so your OLD!

[Guest 2048]

No, but I know people who have and they say Howe.

Edit- And Foppa hasn't ever appeared overly intense to me, a big part of being a complete player is bringing it every night and scaring the crap out of your opponent.

BTW, shouldn't a bruin fan say bobby orr?

[Chadd 916]

Everyone prefers the guys they saw growing up to the younger guys. Forsberg's tendancy to dive has always diminished him in my eyes. He is a great player and always has been though.

EDIT:

Orr changed the game more than anyone who ever played the game, no other defenseman has ever led the league in scoring. The point of the article was to say that Forsberg is as good in every aspect of his game as the best players in each of those aspects, stickhandling, checking, dcoring etc...

[Guest 2048]

There's that saying...

"Bobby Hull could did everything fast, but couldn't do everything. Howe did everything, but didn't do it fast. Orr did everything and did it fast." What everyone says made Howe different though was his intensity, even greater than Messier's in his prime. Also, Howe beat up Fontinato, a top enforcer from his day. Has Forsberg done that? As I recall, Orr did that when he was a rookie. Mess was a known fighter and Hull was stronger than just about anyone in the league. Even so, what another friend says is that while Hull would lift your stick, Howe would lift YOU!

Also, if both could not be injured would you take Forsberg over Lindros? How about Lemieux if he couldn't be injured? Imagine Mario if he never got injured.

Edit- Mess could fight, wouldn't call him a known fighter though.

[Dan_The_Man_16 0]

I would rather have Iggy on my team the Foppa. I just think he is a player wants it more. Iggy is willing to do anything fair to win, note how I said fair, like not diving. Foppa is good no doubt, but not the most complete player.

[ponty 0]

Bahhhh! Lindros over Forsberg. Forsberg has no passion?

How many cups does Lindros have? 0. Is Philly a much better team without him ... Yes. Will Colorado be worst off without Forsberg ... Yes.

Dont even start with an injury debate as Peter has had more than his share.

Dang it accept that I am right! :D

[ponty 0]

My guy looses something called a FREAKIN spleen and has to be told not to play in game 6 and 7 against the Devils. The doctors had to talk to him at length about this.

No spleen yes ... a heart ... nuts.

[ponty 0]

He has his faults but no passion and heart. Thats flat wrong.

He has been quite in this series as I bet he is skating with bad ab muscles.

[Gongshow11 1]

lindros over foppa? are you crazy Theo?

lets not forget...like eli manning...lindros did not want ot play in a french province or get drafted by them so they traded him for foppa. wea ll know from then on who was the real winner in that trade.

Lindros was always hollywood. I've never seen him be as agressive and haev a heart like foppa. only thing is foppa is messed up in his head sometimes )ie decisions based on article).

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Lindros over Foppa?

No question in my mind...

And it's NOT #88.

As for the fighting angle...it's not fair because Forsberg is from Sweden, where they don't fight. They sure learned how to stickhandle with their heads up, something Lindros never learned because he never had to til he got to the NHL.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Skills alone without Injuries, I believe Lindros had the capability to be better than Forsberg, and was at a certain point. However all things included I think that Forsberg is a better player, without question. There's just one remark that I question in this argument. The

How many cups does Lindros have? 0. Is Philly a much better team without him ... Yes. Will Colorado be worst off without Forsberg ... Yes.

I think philly would've went into a huge hole without The Big E and although they were able to hold there own for a short period without Roenick coming in they would've been in huge trouble. Where Colorado was able to get a good playoff position, and win the cup all without Forseberg. Right now I'd say there is no debate on who is the better all round player, but the potential of Lindros looked astronomical before his injuries. But then again "If It's and Buts were candy and nuts.."

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Okay...another reason why Forsberg is better -

You never hear anything bad about him...

No fighting with GMs...sleeping with players' wives...demanding preferencial treatment...and his dad is not as bad as Lindros'!

[Chadd 916]

Forsberg drives me nuts with the diving and flopping at times but he's a more complete player. Lindros always reminded me of Neely on the ice, I'm not going to bring any off-ice stuff into this one.

[Gongshow11 1]

lindros has a head like a grape

and forsberg is more of a force over his career then lindros. Over both of their careers, it is obvious which one has been more of a force for their team

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

The most complete player of all time is Bobby Orr. And for now as a complete player, I would take Fedorov before Forsberg even if Federov is not a big hitter, I find Fedorov more spectacular. I have never been a big fan of Forsberg.

[Guest 2048]

Ponty, who exactly did Lindros and co have in goal during their cup runs and who did Forsberg have? Can't really compare having Snow or even Hextall in net during the playoffs with having Roy in net during the playoffs.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

Ponty, who exactly did Lindros and co have in goal during their cup runs and who did Forsberg have? Can't really compare having Snow or even Hextall in net during the playoffs with having Roy in net during the playoffs.

yeah and the last cup Colorado wins, Forsberg was out of the lineup.

[ponty 0]

Ponty, who exactly did Lindros and co have in goal during their cup runs and who did Forsberg have?  Can't really compare having Snow or even Hextall in net during the playoffs with having Roy in net during the playoffs.

Dang New Yorkers. You piss me off every time. ;)

I am curious to see what there playoff numbers are in comparism.

So now Roy is good??? Not that you said it but I have heard all kinds of dissing on him as well ... not to bring that up of course.

Yes Forsberg was out of the lineup for that second cup but some guy name Bourque had just a bit of an impact on that team. I think his first name was Roger?

Theo ... how long was Lindros prime?

[ponty 0]

Playoffs-

Foppa- 1.16 PPG

Lindros- 1.14 PPG

How many play off games in total?

[ponty 0]

Ahhh he's a better player because of his faceoff ability. ;)

Unless your Gretzky your points per game will go down the more games you play.

Man can we agree on anything???

[Chadd 916]

I think we can all agree that Bobby Clarke is an asshat and forsberg wouldn't have been the centerpiece of the team had he not been traded.

Yes I know Clarke didn't make that trade.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Ponty thats not really true about PPG. It'll differ from player to player. Obviously towards the end of their careers players tend to score less, but now its really hard break into the league and be a prominent scorer. As for now, you can't really argue that Forseberg is better than Lindros. Lindros is a 3rd or 4th liner now with his concussions.

[ponty 0]

I think we can all agree that Bobby Clarke is an asshat and forsberg wouldn't have been the centerpiece of the team had he not been traded.

Yes I know Clarke didn't make that trade.

When Lindros was with Philly that team was in asshat nirvana.

[Gongshow11 1]

it seems from this debate lindros is a cancer wherever he goes