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[mik3 1]

I don't even see them getting to Chicago.

Well, I'd pick them to beat Carolina. Their DLine is beat up, Tiki's playing sick, and when teams have keyed on Smith they haven't been able to do much.

[mik3 1]

One thing I can easily see is the Seahawks lose their first game though. They played two tough home games and needed the other team to completely crap themselves to win them.

Then people can forget about Alexander's cheap record.

[ambro 0]

i cant believe you guys are already turning on the pats. oh well we are used to it we're always the underdogs.

NE is not as good this year as they have in the past. They haven't been the underdogs EVER until this year, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

They were underdogs against the Rams, but they haven't been underdogs since.

What was that, 2002? All I was saying is that thenizzle is full of it and NE hasn't been the underdogs in a long, long time.

About Chicago though, their offense is better that people think. They have a good run game and Muhsin Muhammed was the leading reciever last year. The only reason Muhs didn't put up huge numbers this year was because of his quarterback, and now that Grossman is back, that should change. I don't see how they can lose to any team in the NFC.

[mack 44]

How is his record cheap? Let's go back to some of Holmes's TD "runs" from that year. A TD is a TD and the only cheap record I'll call out is Strahan's sack record.

[ChrisGass9909 0]

giants dont stand much of a chance agaist the panthers potent defense and Steve Smith, and i also didnt see Eli in the pro bowl either so dont expect an easy if at all a win against carolina

[LegoDoom 0]

Please explain to me how Muhammad is a good receiver on the Bears because he had one great year with the Panthers (I know he had a bunch of good years as well)?

And then explain to me how he gets much better with Grossman in there. The same Rex Grossman that's played in two games with his best one being 11-23 with 166 yards.

And saying that the Pats have NEVER been an underdog until this year as long as you don't look as far back as 4 years ago??? You're right... that's so long ago that I can barely remember it.

[ambro 0]

Please explain to me how Muhammad is a good receiver on the Bears because he had one great year with the Panthers (I know he had a bunch of good years as well)?

And then explain to me how he gets much better with Grossman in there. The same Rex Grossman that's played in two games with his best one being 11-23 with 166 yards.

And saying that the Pats have NEVER been an underdog until this year as long as you don't look as far back as 4 years ago??? You're right... that's so long ago that I can barely remember it.

You just explained why Muhammed is a good reciever. Great year last year with the Panthers, a bunch of good years before that.

He's better with Grossman because Orton was not in this year to win them games. They talk about this all the time on ESPN, his job was to not make mistakes and rely on the defense to stop the other teams, which he did. His job was not to make huge highlight reel plays, so they kept it on the ground a majority of the time, not giving Muhammed much of a chance to put up big numbers. With Grossman, he has a better arm and can make great throws to Muhs that Orton could not. Just wait and you'll see Grossman to Muhammed quite a bit in the playoffs.

About the Pats, thenizzle was making it sound like they were the underdogs in '04 and '05 as well, when they were the clear favorites in both years. I was just stating that they haven't been the underdogs for a while (never was obviously an exaggeration).

[LegoDoom 0]

I did explain it. Muhammad was good on the PANTHERS. He hasn't done much with the Bears, even with the great Grossman in. How many games has Grossman won in his NFL career?

I don't care what they talk about on ESPN. Any Chicago QB will be in there to mainly hand the ball off to Thomas Jones and not make too many mistakes when he doesn't.

[ambro 0]

I just said why he hasn't done much for the Bears. Just because he had a lackluster year this year doesn't mean he is a bad reciever. And I never said Grossman is "great", I just said that Muhammed will do better with him than Orton.

His job still may be to mainly hand it off to Jones and not make mistakes, but he has a better arm and can make plays that Orton couldn't. You can't deny that.

[Jason Harris 31]

New England HAS played better, but look who they've played.

Since the indy game....

Miami - Win

NO - Win

KC - Loss

Jets - Win

Buffalo - Win

Tampa - Win

Jets - Win

Miami - Loss

So it's not like they've been playing good teams down the stretch.

I agree the Pats haven't played too many good teams the last half of the season but, outside of KC who manhandled them, NE greatly outplayed all the teams they played except the first Miami game. (I don't count yesterday's game, since it was clear they didn't care if they won.)

I think they had around five to six starters out for the Indy game. Currently, they are the healthiest they've been since preseason, although Bruschi's calf is hurting. If it was any other team, I'd strongly favor the Colts, particularly in Indy. But this is the same team that totally outplayed the "Greatest Show On Turf"....on turf, so the intangibles have to fall on their side.

Presuming the Pats beat the Jags, which I think will happen, I'd favor Indy by a touchdown. But there's no doubt New England could beat Indy in Indy.

[ponty 0]

Gosh I am sick of this talk about Indy the last 3 or so years.

Till they win something they are the 90's bills. Heck they arent even that good.

[thenizzle 0]

yup. pats will win. i guarentee it.

[J-Shera 0]

One thing I can easily see is the Seahawks lose their first game though. They played two tough home games and needed the other team to completely crap themselves to win them.

Then people can forget about Alexander's cheap record.

I suppose his Rushing title is cheap too.

[mik3 1]

One thing I can easily see is the Seahawks lose their first game though. They played two tough home games and needed the other team to completely crap themselves to win them.

Then people can forget about Alexander's cheap record.

I suppose his Rushing title is cheap too.

When they're keeping him in up by 30 against shitty teams, yup.

But, as we found out last year, Sean Alexander cares about himself more than the team as he whined on national tv about Holmgren not letting him get a yard for the rushing title.

[Chadd 916]

I'd rather have a guy who wants to stay in the game, for whatever reason, than one who always wants out of a game.

[mik3 1]

Which is good, till you blow out your knee playing some meaningless play even when the other team has pulled all their starters.

Oh well, at least he'll have his rushing title and td record to fall back on when he's team's going home in 2 1/2 weeks.