Half season awards you pick em....

[Michael9 57]

so lets see.....

Hart - Alfredsson

Runner ups - Jagr and Kovalchuk

Norris - Lidstrom

Runner ups - Redden and Blake

Richard - Kovalchuk

Runner ups - Ovechkin and Heatley

Calder - Alexander Ovechkin

Runner ups - Sidney Crosby and Dion Phaneuf

Art - Jagr

Runner ups - Forsberg and Kovalchuk

Selke - Rolston

Runner ups - Madden and Draper

Lady Byng - Datsyuk

Runner ups - Richards and Gagne

Vezina - Hasek

Runner ups - Kipprusoft and CUJO

Jack Adams - B.Murray(sens.)

runner ups - T.Renney(nyr.) and P.Laviolette(car.)

Mr.Stanley - Red Wings

runner up - Senators

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Calder - Alexander Ovechkin

As much i like AO, IMO Lunqvist should possibly get it, his performance this year has kinda gone unnoticed.

i reckon SC will end up getting it tho just beacuse of all the HYPE

[Cavs019 708]

If you view the Hart as "most valuable to their team" then their is no question Jagr gets it at this point. The Rangers go as he goes. Also, what has Alfie done that Heatley and Spezza haven't thus far?

[Eazy_b97 1]

Hart - Staal

Norris - McCabe

Richard - Gagne

Calder - Alexander Ovechkin

Art - Jagr

Selke -My Homer bias says Ponikarovsky, but I'm sure there are better players out there.

Lady Byng - Boyle (12 PIMS as a D)

Vezina - Fernandez

Jack Adams - B.Murray(sens.)

Mr.Stanley - Sens

[Chadd 916]

Hart -Jagr

Norris - McCabe

Richard - Gagne

Calder - Lundqvist

Art Ross- Jagr

Selke -Handzus

Lady Byng - Yzerman, you have to give him something in his last year.

Vezina - Lundqvist

Jack Adams -Lindy Ruff

Stanley Cup - Sens, assuming they get healthy

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Hart - Jagr

Norris - McCabe

Richard - Gagne

Calder - AO

Art Ross - Jagr

Selke - Fisher

Lady Byng - Who cares

Vezina - Fernandez

Jack Adams - Murray

Cup - Canucks, cause I can't stand to see the Sens get it

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Does anybody honestly see McCabe winning the Norris? There isn't a doubt in my mind that he deserves it, but hell he couldn't even make the Canadian Olympic team.

[Chadd 916]

Does anybody honestly see McCabe winning the Norris? There isn't a doubt in my mind that he deserves it, but hell he couldn't even make the Canadian Olympic team.

It's Redden's "turn" according to a couple of the writers I've seen.

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Midseason Awards:

Hart - Staal/Jagr/Kiprussoff

Norris - Redden, RU: Lidstrom, Niedermayer

Calder - Ovechkin, RU: Lundqvist, Phaneuf

Selke - R. Niedermayer/Modano/Handzus?

Vezina - Kiprussoff, RU: Vokoun

Adams - Tom Renney, RU: Barry Trotz, Lindy Ruff, Whoever is coaching the 'Canes

On McCabe as a Norris winner - no way in hell.

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On McCabe as a Norris winner - no way in hell.

I know. I mean leading the NHL defensemen in scoring by 10 points while playing a solid defensive game must not be deserving. From what I've seen of Ottawa this year, all bias aside Redden has been good, but not great. Definitely not Norris worthy. His +/- is outstanding, but whose on that Ottawa team isn't? What about Visnovsky?

[Chadd 916]

On McCabe as a Norris winner - no way in hell.

I know. I mean leading the NHL defensemen in scoring by 10 points while playing a solid defensive game must not be deserving. From what I've seen of Ottawa this year, all bias aside Redden has been good, but not great. Definitely not Norris worthy. His +/- is outstanding, but whose on that Ottawa team isn't? What about Visnovsky?

A couple more games like tonight and some of those +/- will come back down.

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On McCabe as a Norris winner - no way in hell.

I know. I mean leading the NHL defensemen in scoring by 10 points while playing a solid defensive game must not be deserving. From what I've seen of Ottawa this year, all bias aside Redden has been good, but not great. Definitely not Norris worthy. His +/- is outstanding, but whose on that Ottawa team isn't? What about Visnovsky?

Yeah, Redden had a shit night. -4. Ridiculous.

In any event, I don't think McCabe plays the same all 'round game that some other guys do, and I'm just not sure he's on par with say, Brian Leetch or Paul Coffey when it comes to pure offensive D-men. He's good, don't get me wrong, but I can't see a Norris this year...given a choice of D-men, I think there are at least 4 or 5 guys I'd take before getting to McCabe...Redden, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger (who's also been quietly building a solid year)...Blake is iffy...but yeah, 4 or 5 before McCabe, at least for me.

Visnovsky is one dimensional I find. He's fantastic in the offensive zone, but not such a factor in his own end. I think he's also inconsistent.

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McCabe is a plus 7 or 8 on a team full of minuses. More importantly, he plays almost 28 1/2 minutes a game. Redden is at 24 1/2. Frankly, McCabe has been the best player on his team, hands down. He has been the reason they have won many games, and even had a chance in others. Can you really say that about Redden, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, or Pronger? Fine, give him the Hart.

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Hart - Jagr

Norris - McCabe

Richard - Kovalchuk

Calder - AO

Art Ross - kovalchuk

Selke - Rolston (no clue who to pick so i went with a homer pick)

Lady Byng - datsyuk

Vezina - kipprusoff

Jack Adams - ruff

Cup - depends on who trades for what, but the sens if healthy are unreal

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On McCabe as a Norris winner - no way in hell.

I know. I mean leading the NHL defensemen in scoring by 10 points while playing a solid defensive game must not be deserving. From what I've seen of Ottawa this year, all bias aside Redden has been good, but not great. Definitely not Norris worthy. His +/- is outstanding, but whose on that Ottawa team isn't? What about Visnovsky?

Yeah, Redden had a shit night. -4. Ridiculous.

In any event, I don't think McCabe plays the same all 'round game that some other guys do, and I'm just not sure he's on par with say, Brian Leetch or Paul Coffey when it comes to pure offensive D-men. He's good, don't get me wrong, but I can't see a Norris this year...given a choice of D-men, I think there are at least 4 or 5 guys I'd take before getting to McCabe...Redden, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger (who's also been quietly building a solid year)...Blake is iffy...but yeah, 4 or 5 before McCabe, at least for me.

Visnovsky is one dimensional I find. He's fantastic in the offensive zone, but not such a factor in his own end. I think he's also inconsistent.

I think it should be taken as a plus that he has a defensive game and is leading defensemen in scoring by a good margin. Something that the players you describe did not have (defensive game)

Pronger, Redden, Lidstrom and Niedermayer don't have a defensive game? Prongs is as tough to play against as anyone. Redden is well rounded and while Lidstrom and Niedermayer aren't overpowering, they both play very smart defensive games.

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Well, I meant Leetch.

Niedermayer is probably overrated in his own zone as well

Of course, I would be an idiot if I meant Pronger, Redden and Lidstrom.

What about Chara...He is having a norris type of season, defensively at least

I just don't understand your "no way in hell" for McCabe. Just because he hasn't come close before doesn't mean you cannot recognize him as a great force this year

I identified Leetch as a purely offensive D-man, if you re-read the post.

I never meant to insinuate that McCabe was undeserving, but rather that I could not envision his winning the Norris. Without his scoring outburst of this season, I'd say that there isn't much else going for him. He's never been known as the most responsible blueliner on a defensive basis, and like I said before, don't think his game is quite as well rounded as others. Of course, he is still relatively young, and is likely beginning to reach his pinnacle - who knows, perhaps a Norris is in his future, perhaps a year or two down the road? It'd be fantastic for him, and I'd cheer him on regardless b/c he's done a bang up job this year, but mostly on the PP - that, and I'd like to see someone in Toronto win something.

I also think that Niedermayer has done a pretty good job in Anahiem, and Pronger has come on strong after a slow start...and well, there's not much to say about Redden, other than that he's been great.

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Norris - Redden, RU: Lidstrom, Niedermayer

As much as I like Scott Niedermayer how is he going to be a finalist? I mean other than doing "a pretty good job in Anaheim."

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Norris - Redden, RU: Lidstrom, Niedermayer

As much as I like Scott Niedermayer how is he going to be a finalist? I mean other than doing "a pretty good job in Anaheim."

Don't take things too literally now...

I think he merits consideration, you know, 'cause he's done a pretty good job in Anaheim...but yes, Bryan McCabe has been lighting it up for Toronto and I probably should've included him in my picks - he's always gotten off to some fantastic starts, but I don't think anyone noticed until this year...still not sure if I can see him winning a Norris yet though. Guess I'll have to wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds.

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The norris should not be a compilation of a d-mans last 5 or 10 years.  Lets just take the guy who is deserving THIS year...even if it is out of the blue

That's fair enough, I'll say Redden and McCabe are definitely worthy of consideration. Lidstrom, Pronger and Niedermayer, while all former Norris winners, I think, are still putting together solid seasons.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Visnovsky. He's playing it sick on the PP.

[Chadd 916]

There is a difference in who I would pick and who I think will win. Honestly, I don't believe McCabe will win but he would be my choice at this point.

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There is a difference in who I would pick and who I think will win. Honestly, I don't believe McCabe will win but he would be my choice at this point.

I think he would win it at this point in the year, but I don't think he is desrerving. He's a good D-man, and his stats are incredible. Leads the league in points, is a + on a team which has an awful reputation 5 on 5 and nobody else has had a season to really rival him. Pronger has had a solid season, but he had to do a ton in order to win his Norris (+52). Lidstrom may have a shot, but the world knows their confrence is awful and his stats aren't overly terrific. Niedermayer has been weak in his own zone and lead his team to a .500 record. It's hard to give the award to anyone on Ottawa because they're loaded on certain position. The team's doing incredible and to say Chara is the best in the league takes away something from Redden (or vice versa) which is also why I would have trouble picking any of their players for individual awards on offense. It's hard to put anyone ahead of McCabe, and I'd almost consider him the default winner right now because of that, but I think there is a better D-man in Toronto right now and everyone who watched them on a nightly basis knows it.

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There is a difference in who I would pick and who I think will win. Honestly, I don't believe McCabe will win but he would be my choice at this point.

I think he would win it at this point in the year, but I don't think he is desrerving. He's a good D-man, and his stats are incredible. Leads the league in points, is a + on a team which has an awful reputation 5 on 5 and nobody else has had a season to really rival him. Pronger has had a solid season, but he had to do a ton in order to win his Norris (+52). Lidstrom may have a shot, but the world knows their confrence is awful and his stats aren't overly terrific. Niedermayer has been weak in his own zone and lead his team to a .500 record. It's hard to give the award to anyone on Ottawa because they're loaded on certain position. The team's doing incredible and to say Chara is the best in the league takes away something from Redden (or vice versa) which is also why I would have trouble picking any of their players for individual awards on offense. It's hard to put anyone ahead of McCabe, and I'd almost consider him the default winner right now because of that, but I think there is a better D-man in Toronto right now and everyone who watched them on a nightly basis knows it.

Kaberle is very underrated. He plays a quiet game and goes unnoticed for the most part. I don't like to compare the two because they play completely different games, but I'd have to say McCabe's offense gives him the edge as an overall player. But solely from a defensive standpoint Kaberle is better. However, I'm glad that they've been split up.

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Lidstrom is allways a consideration for the Norris, he's been one of the top 3 D men for many years in my opinion.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Kaberle's 4th (I believe) in D scoring and starting to take more minutes than McCabe, I'd be surprised, but not shocked to see Kaberle end up in second for D scoring.

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Its pretty deceptive. It seems like McCabe has way more points than Kaberle simply because he scores so many more goals. Kaberle has what, 5 goals this year? He really needs to shoot more, and hopefully that will happen now that he isn't paired with McCabe.