Joe Thornton.

[The Playoff Beard 0]

After tonight, if Joe Thornton doesn't get the Hart, then the NHL is the fakest league ever...unless it's determined by the press, then the East Coast bias is on.

[milbs06 0]

sna jose is in so the heart is THORNTONS FORSURE 100%!!!!!!!!!!!

[sdh 0]

hockey news gave it to jagr. and, since NYR is supposedly keystone of the NHL these days, I'd imagine it goes to him. good for publicity and growing the sport.

[The Playoff Beard 0]

hockey news gave it to jagr.  and, since NYR is supposedly keystone of the NHL these days, I'd imagine it goes to him.  good for publicity and growing the sport.

I would think it would go to Jagr too, because of the market out there, and because NO ONE in the media watches Western Conference hockey games (I remember last season when the Sharks went to the playoffs, the ESPN guys had NOTHING to say about them, and Melrose admitted that he rarely watched any of the games).

The Thing is, the Rangers went out and got players to make Jagr better (go team Czech, those guys are awesome!). Joe Thornton went to a team and made everyone else better. If that isn't the definition on MVP I dunno what is.

I'm aware that a lot of people can say that the Sharks pre-Thornton was considered a team that was underachieving largely because they were pretty much the same team that won the conference the season before. But, a lot of the media will not recognize that losing Ricci and Dampousse was pretty significant for a team that young.

Thornton came in and turned Johnathan Cheechoo from a hustle potential 30 goal scorer into a legit sniper and threat in the league, and opened up Patrick Marleau's line by making coaches decide who to put the checking line on.

All that being said, I totally wouldn't be surpised if Jagr got it, just pissed.

[mack 44]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread. Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

[Chadd 916]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread. Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

The Bruins are taking it in the ass this year but they did get some good players in the deal

[mack 44]

I stand behind the "get the better player in the deal" rule.

[The Playoff Beard 0]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

The Bruins are taking it in the ass this year but they did get some good players in the deal

I still can't believe the Sharks got Thornton, for:

Brad Stuart - a Defenseman who swears he's a forward and hasn't lived up to his rookie year, and probably never will.

Marco Sturm - probably could play second line and score 25+ goals on any team, but no further than that

Wayne Primo - ..... Keith's brother.

I'd attribute it to the Sharks minor's system, crap they started 6 rookies tonight. They already had a lot of good young D-men, who wanted to play their f-king position, and a couple of very talented prospect forwards who were NHL ready. I mean Bernier since he's been called up has been just as productive as Ovechkin (That's honestly as close as a comparison to Ovechkin he will ever get).

[Chadd 916]

I stand behind the "get the better player in the deal" rule.

Good logic, only one of them is making the playoffs this year and it isn't Boston. I wasn't convinced that they had enough depth to make the playoffs this year but Wilson has done a great job behind the bench this year.

[mack 44]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

The Bruins are taking it in the ass this year but they did get some good players in the deal

I still can't believe the Sharks got Thornton, for:

Wayne Primo - ..... Keith's brother.

Keith still had a better year than he did, too.

[The Playoff Beard 0]

Now remember this is just a rumor ;)

Possible Big Changes for Boston

[mew1838 0]

Man Joe's the man !!!!

[milbs06 0]

since going to san jose the sharks are 27 games over 500 with thornton. HES MVP FORSURE!!!!!!!

[steve66 45]

I understand that people see the Rangers as getting special bias from the NHL because of the potential market for that franchise, but guys you all seem to forget that Jagr is having an awesome season, and without him the team would doubtfully be in the playoffs. Again look back at the projected finishes for the sharks and the rangers, I think the performance of the rangers has been the biggest turn around, and Jagr has been a HUGE part of that.

I hate the rangers, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised or upset if Jagr does win the Hart because his play has been worthy. On that point, so has Thornton's since the trade.

[Jason Harris 31]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

The Bruins are taking it in the ass this year but they did get some good players in the deal

IceHockey World article

Look toward the bottom, near the Shoot-For-A-Cure and Dean Brundell Show links, to see what I thought of the trade at the time. Man, my blood pressure's going up just thinking about it..... :D

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

[ponty 0]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

Boston fans do know hockey BUT their heart is much bigger than their brains at times.

Funniest part is year-after-year you hear "yea with this freed up money we can sign ... blah, blah, blah." Who on earth is going to sign with Boston? Anyone that shows up in town as a free agent is there for one reason - hike up the price for another team.

Its one thing for Jacobs to be an ass quite another for the fans wearing blinders for the last 15 or so years.h

[The Playoff Beard 0]

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

Those are some Boston fans for you, they always think their stars suck because of the pressure. To get rid of a Franchise player like that is ri-goshdarn- diculous. Philly gave up their whole damn team for Lindross, we traded a secondliner, an underperforming D-man, and a guy who was probably going to be let go the next year anyway. Fantasy Hockey GM's wouldn't have made that move.

[mack 44]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

Boston fans do know hockey BUT their heart is much bigger than their brains at times.

Funniest part is year-after-year you hear "yea with this freed up money we can sign ... blah, blah, blah." Who on earth is going to sign with Boston? Anyone that shows up in town as a free agent is there for one reason - hike up the price for another team.

Its one thing for Jacobs to be an ass quite another for the fans wearing blinders for the last 15 or so years.h

Ponty, if the Rangers have ever taught us anything it's that people will sign with a team that has no real goal as long as the money's there.

[chippa13 1844]

This prompted me to look back at the old "Thornton's traded" thread.  Good lord how did anyone think it was a good deal for Boston.

Boston fans do know hockey BUT their heart is much bigger than their brains at times.

Funniest part is year-after-year you hear "yea with this freed up money we can sign ... blah, blah, blah." Who on earth is going to sign with Boston? Anyone that shows up in town as a free agent is there for one reason - hike up the price for another team.

Its one thing for Jacobs to be an ass quite another for the fans wearing blinders for the last 15 or so years.h

I'm still holding that we'll really find out when, as I am expecting, Sinden is put out to pasture in the near future. This is Jacobs chance to prove what he has always said, that Harry ran the hockey operations as he saw fit. Now, if the next President/GM of the B's runs things status quo, then we can really slam Jacobs next winter.

Until next year, I still think Harry was more the problem than Jacobs. He was too old school, thinking teams could treat players however they wanted and players would just take it, whether it be pinching dimes in negotiations, negotiating in the papers, slamming the players accomplishments and highlighting their shortcomings to explain why they're pinching, or kicking players on their way out the door.

[chippa13 1844]

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

Those are some Boston fans for you, they always think their stars suck because of the pressure. To get rid of a Franchise player like that is ri-goshdarn- diculous. Philly gave up their whole damn team for Lindross, we traded a secondliner, an underperforming D-man, and a guy who was probably going to be let go the next year anyway. Fantasy Hockey GM's wouldn't have made that move.

From the get-go I didn't like that deal and the season has proven me right on that one.

[The Playoff Beard 0]

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

Those are some Boston fans for you, they always think their stars suck because of the pressure. To get rid of a Franchise player like that is ri-goshdarn- diculous. Philly gave up their whole damn team for Lindross, we traded a secondliner, an underperforming D-man, and a guy who was probably going to be let go the next year anyway. Fantasy Hockey GM's wouldn't have made that move.

From the get-go I didn't like that deal and the season has proven me right on that one.

It is the worst trade I have seen in my 16+ years of watching hockey. When we got Thornton, I thought well it's gonna suck to see Marleau, Cheechoo and the draft picks for the next gillions of years go, but I was okay with it. When I saw what we actually gave up, I was shocked that anyone who has ever watched a season of hockey would EVER make that deal.

[ponty 0]

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

Those are some Boston fans for you, they always think their stars suck because of the pressure. To get rid of a Franchise player like that is ri-goshdarn- diculous. Philly gave up their whole damn team for Lindross, we traded a secondliner, an underperforming D-man, and a guy who was probably going to be let go the next year anyway. Fantasy Hockey GM's wouldn't have made that move.

From the get-go I didn't like that deal and the season has proven me right on that one.

It is the worst trade I have seen in my 16+ years of watching hockey. When we got Thornton, I thought well it's gonna suck to see Marleau, Cheechoo and the draft picks for the next gillions of years go, but I was okay with it. When I saw what we actually gave up, I was shocked that anyone who has ever watched a season of hockey would EVER make that deal.

Exactly. I thought at MINIMUM that Cheechoo or Marleau were going the other way. Good to see they got a much better return for Sammy

As far as Sinden is concerned. Yea it wont hurt Chippa for him to go away but Jacobs still owns the team and he is the heart of the problem. I do hope I am wrong.

Mack. The Bruins have been used many times (e.g. Modano, Forsberg, Roenick, and on and on) by players to hike up prices. They dont sign not so much because of the offer but for how players are treated. Say what you want about the "Rags" ;) but they have a far better rep than the B's in that area. What you get with Boston free agents are Zhamnov's and Fitzgerald's. Oh boy!

My bitterness with the Bruins stems from this and the fact that Ray Bourque and the guy in my pic never won a cup with the Bruins. They never spent the time to get the quality players they needed at key times. In short F.U. Jacobs.

[chippa13 1844]

It's amazing, some folks in Boston think Thornton's playing better because he doesn't have the pressure of wearing the C. Huh? What, a player just can't go out and play like himself because he has the pressure of living up to the C?

Those are some Boston fans for you, they always think their stars suck because of the pressure. To get rid of a Franchise player like that is ri-goshdarn- diculous. Philly gave up their whole damn team for Lindross, we traded a secondliner, an underperforming D-man, and a guy who was probably going to be let go the next year anyway. Fantasy Hockey GM's wouldn't have made that move.

From the get-go I didn't like that deal and the season has proven me right on that one.

It is the worst trade I have seen in my 16+ years of watching hockey. When we got Thornton, I thought well it's gonna suck to see Marleau, Cheechoo and the draft picks for the next gillions of years go, but I was okay with it. When I saw what we actually gave up, I was shocked that anyone who has ever watched a season of hockey would EVER make that deal.

Exactly. I thought at MINIMUM that Cheechoo or Marleau were going the other way. Good to see they got a much better return for Sammy

As far as Sinden is concerned. Yea it wont hurt Chippa for him to go away but Jacobs still owns the team and he is the heart of the problem. I do hope I am wrong.

Time will tell. Likewise, I thought it was going to be Thornton for Marleau when I first caught wind of SJ as a trade partner.

The killer is all they needed was a defenseman at the time and the original deal on the table was Samsonov for Stuart, which I could have lived with. The way I see it, the B's lost the deals on both Joe and Sammy.

[ponty 0]

I did not know that about Sammy for Stuart Chippa!

So you, the Bruins that is, are telling me that the delta between Sammy and Joe is Sturm and "the other" Primeau???

Thanks for making this worst for me Chippa!!!!!! :P

[chippa13 1844]

I did not know that about Sammy for Stuart Chippa!

So you, the Bruins that is, are telling me that the delta between Sammy and Joe is Sturm and "the other" Primeau???

Thanks for making this worst for me Chippa!!!!!! :P

That is the rumor that was floating around. The initial talks were Stuart for Sammy. Remember, Thornton was locked up for two more years but Sammy is set to be UFA. That factors into what you're going to get offered for him, witness Reasoner and Stastny.