Sprung Hockey

[Sprungster 5]

doesnt seem like a problem to me,for one, the extra rocker can be soaked and rotated with the other rockers,two it gives me a chance to keep the wheels and bearings clean for better performance.in do time things will be fine .the hardest part is done.the design.

I completely agree, I just don't want to have to disassemble my skates every couple of weeks. As I recall, replacement parts aren't being included with the new frames at this point so it becomes the issue of possibly forgetting and breaking something, and then having to wait for extra parts to come via mail. Once the plastic formula is enhanced/fixed and a dealer network is established, it eliminates a ton of issues like that.

I also feel the springs are too soft for my liking, but if wheel manufacturers jump in, or Keith does it himself with different durometer springs it would resolve that pp issue. Ultimately all gear comes down to pp, and right now this product doesn't quite meet mine. It has the potential to allow players to completely dial in any skate setting they want, so Sprung is definitely worth keeping an eye on. As business grows, so do the options for the product.

Until I feel that Sprung has resolved the early business issues though, I'm sticking to my Vanguards. Once they do resolve the issues, I'll run the two head to head and find my personal choice of them.

There's been a pair of the old model being used a lot in Colorado Springs for the last nine months (according to the owner). They've had no problems of any kind.

The new models that were durability tested were shipped all over the place without any upkeep and tested at 90+ mph and most had no cracks at all at 100 mph. I'm not sure, but I think the frame is locked down tight so it can't bounce away, like your foot does, when hit.

I'm pretty sure that if you found that you could make your favorite stick twice as resilient by wrapping a damp towel around the blade once a month, you'd probably do it.

The new model answers the spring-strength and performance and durability issues brought up. In their worst case condition (whatever that is?)they're probably stronger than any other frame of any kind, out there now.

And if you're worried about having extra parts around, just in case, there's already a solution. We've already gotten several new model purchases that included extra parts, which can be ordered along with your frames. One order has complete extra sets of everything included.

As for industry validation, Lets Play Hockey was a good show for us. We will have our first OEM deal as soon as it's worked out. And we also seem to be the potential solution for the test entry into roller hockey of two other excellent boot companies.

And we're looking at boots with the new Sprung frames mounted available on a major web-store.

There are always going to be people that don't feel right with any product. We hate it, and it's tough for us to take. These new frames seem to be the marginal or total best-there-is for about 90%+ of the players that try them. We're working on the hold-outs.

[tryandstopme 35]

I also feel the springs are too soft for my liking

SD,

just curious, were these the springs on the new model Sprungs and if so how much do you weigh?

[philatangy 0]

Ok, so after using the sprungs for about four weeks I am happy with the skates performance. I must say however, that the arm broke when hit by a slapshot, so I wouldn't mind if that had been a bit more tough (i'm not sure if this has been addressed in the newer model). I used the replacement arm and ordered 2 more just in case. I should have ordered a different color arm, but oh well. Well heres a photo.

[sdcopp 1]

I also feel the springs are too soft for my liking

SD,

just curious, were these the springs on the new model Sprungs and if so how much do you weigh?

no, they were the old model. I'll have to see how the new ones hold out in the climate here as Keith and I have talked about one of the players in my area I know liking the frames. Another player here tried them and felt the same way I did, that it was just too soft for personal preference.

Like I've said before, the Sprung system offers customization in a way that nothing else does, it's obvious from looking at the design. As Keith has alluded to before, it is similar in theory to a sportscar suspension. My problem is, I haven't found any setting that really dials it in for me, combined with the fact that even when it snows here it's extremely dry (today's glittery looking snow here is a prime example) it creates a couple of concerns for me. I put my Amp-Sprung skates on my best friends feet to get him on inlines and he loves them already, they feel like his ice skates do.

For reference I'm in the 200-205 range, and my friend is in the 150-160 range. It may take a couple models down the road to get to the point where I feel comfortable on them, it might not happen at all. We'll see how adventurous I feel when my tax return comes, I might pick up some Mission skates to try a new model out on. It really comes down to how they hold out in the dry air here, as I'd rather invest my money into new skates a year later than invest time maintaining my skates every couple of weeks. While I love this game with all I've got, my two year old daughter consumes alot of my home time that could otherwise be spent messing with skates and sticks and whatever else like when I was back in high school.

Less maintenance= better product for me.

[philatangy 0]

Just played with them again tonight, and I love the extra jump they give me (Had a nice breakaway goal). However, I wonder if I am too light to get the best out of these. I weigh 162 and only feel the spring every now and then...Could be my lazy legs too.

[Sprungster 5]

Just played with them again tonight, and I love the extra jump they give me (Had a nice breakaway goal). However, I wonder if I am too light to get the best out of these. I weigh 162 and only feel the spring every now and then...Could be my lazy legs too.

You're not supposed to feel them. The action should be invisible like ice skates. They just turn tight and dig in when you take off and stop real good, and do all the other things you thought your other frames always did, naturally. Skate on your old frames, if you have them, for a reality check.

[philatangy 0]

Just played with them again tonight, and I love the extra jump they give me (Had a nice breakaway goal). However, I wonder if I am too light to get the best out of these. I weigh 162 and only feel the spring every now and then...Could be my lazy legs too.

You're not supposed to feel them. The action should be invisible like ice skates. They just turn tight and dig in when you take off and stop real good, and do all the other things you thought your other frames always did, naturally. Skate on your old frames, if you have them, for a reality check.

Well actually, I still skate on my tour beemers whenever I play sportcourt. I use my type M's with the sprung frame whenever I don't. So I use both at least once per week. What I meant by feel is to notice that they were digging in. Its true though, its not something you want to pay attention to anyways when you have someone trying to drill you while you are skating with the puck.

I have to say that I feel more comfortable skating in my Type M's with the sprung frame than my tour beemers.

[kovalchuk71 212]

Just a thought. Could some of the "speed" loss said by some members on these frames be due to wheels being too soft? What I am saying is that with the sprung, when you stop they GRIP compared to the normal frame where you need softer wheels to stop easier? Would changing to a harder wheel help this?

Also, what do you guys that have the new frame think of it? What makes it better than the previous model?

[philatangy 0]

Just a thought. Could some of the "speed" loss said by some members on these frames be due to wheels being too soft? What I am saying is that with the sprung, when you stop they GRIP compared to the normal frame where you need softer wheels to stop easier? Would changing to a harder wheel help this?

Also, what do you guys that have the new frame think of it? What makes it better than the previous model?

I just changed to a bit harder, and found that my speed increased, however I lost some of my grip. Tommorow we have an all-star game, and I will try doing something similar to the revision wheel performance matrix. I am going to put softer wheels on the outside.

Revision Wheel Performance Matrix

[Ultimus 0]

Keith,

Here are the pics,

Sorry for the poor quality, I found an old video camera that is like 5+ years old. I will try for a digital camera.

The rocker broke and frame broke on different games. About 5 or 6 games on the Sprungs I broke the rocker. I broke the rocker I just kinda pushed off from the boards and went to the front of the net. About 9 games I broke the frame blocking a shot.

Both nights it was at least 40F or below... but not below freezing.

Still the best frames I have skated on. The good news about this is unlike the old frames I had which I broke the front wheel off, these can be fixed.

I am going to rotate the wheels and clean the bearings, in the process I will soak the Sprungs.

Thanks,

Scott

One more pic

Also it looks like they aren't lined up. Its the angles of the pictures.

The top down one even looks like its off, but its right on.

[philatangy 0]

Ultimus, that is the same way mine broke. I guess I should have read the whole 50 plus page thread? Is there something I should know about soaking the frame?

[Ultimus 0]

Ultimus, that is the same way mine broke. I guess I should have read the whole 50 plus page thread? Is there something I should know about soaking the frame?

Keith said dry climates end up making the frames less durable so soaking the frames or wrapping a damp towel around them will bring back their durability.

Its only a post or two back from yours.

[iceburg19 1]

i started soaking my sprungs the other day.this still doesnt bother me,i just dont want to skate on any thing else but sprungs,im spioled.

[hockeysc23 0]

i started soaking my sprungs the other day.this still doesnt bother me,i just dont want to skate on any thing else but sprungs,im spioled.

Do you know if this is common for the old sprung set? I was going to purchase one off a seller here but after seeing the pictures thought I would re-read some of the thread to see if I missed something. My 3 hour reading marathon a week ago, might have made me miss something!

I am very intrigued by this chassis and was going to purchase one but would like to know how common this is? And is soaking them going to prevent this problem because I routinely clean my chassis, bearings and wheels after almost every game so this wouldn't be too much of a hassle if it works.

Scott

[Ultimus 0]

I've only heard of three rockers breaking on here? I've read the whole thread a while back.

I think I might be the only oe that reported the frame breaking on here?

So I would say not to common. We'll see about soaking, but I think my breaks had to do with the cold weather since I play out doors.

[Patrick67 1]

Your frame breaks in 9days and you still love it, blameing it on the weather... wow.

[Ultimus 0]

Not 9 days.... 9 GAMES.

[Patrick67 1]

Ah, much better...

Btw were do you play outdoors, and on what surface?

[iceburg19 1]

ive seen new skates with aluminum frames brake within months of purchase,brand new wheels explode apart after one or two games.how long should a $150.one piece stick last? how about those great expensive skates that have the crapy eye lid set up,$300 skates and i cant even tie my skate with out it braking.the point is with the way things are made something wrong is going to slip thru,if there are 100 sprung rockers and one rocker brakes,yes that might be one rocker to many,but if i can prevent that brake with soaking them twice a year,well shoot then why didnt someone tell to soak my $150 stick,my aluminum frames and my $10.wheels.i call it preventive maintenance.preventing brake down and maintaining equipment for longer running usage.(pm)everyone has there own opinion.but when some piece of equipment that i love brakes,in this kind of game,you ask can they make it better and stronger? like sprung did(voodoo frame) or is there a way of making it last longer?(soak in water)well then yeah if thats the small price i have to pay for this frame that i love skating on,im going to do it.and check it out some water is still free today.

[Ultimus 0]

Ah, much better...

Btw were do you play outdoors, and on what surface?

I play outdoors in South Carolina, in Myrtle Beach. We've had some cold weather here under 40 degrees.

I have to clean my bearings to extend their life and keep up their performance... Rotate wheels all these involve more than wrapping up the Sprungs in a damp towel.

I plan on doing it all at once...

[philatangy 0]

It was probably around 60 degrees here in CA when mine broke in the same way. Could just be a fluke shot that hit my skate in just the right place too. I block a lot of shots...

[DavisP 0]

Just a thought. Could some of the "speed" loss said by some members on these frames be due to wheels being too soft? What I am saying is that with the sprung, when you stop they GRIP compared to the normal frame where you need softer wheels to stop easier? Would changing to a harder wheel help this?

Also, what do you guys that have the new frame think of it? What makes it better than the previous model?

The new frame hasn't torqued or slipped at all in the 10 or so games that I've used it in. I'm not trying to say that the older model had any serious issues with these things but every once in a while they'd, for lack of a better word, tweak. Since they've been beefed up they feel smoother but just as effective. I feel like I can take harder turns going faster and feel more stable than I did on the older model.

[Shane_e_19 0]

I got some sprungs put on my old vapor XV's a few weeks agao and i'm lovin them. I wear a size 6 vapor so a medium sprung will fit on there. Had to drill mostly new holes but was able to use a few origionals.

I'm also using 72's across the way and I find them just fine.

ps - notice the customization of the skates, no bauer logo's

[kovalchuk71 212]

howd you do that?

[KYHockey3 0]

howd you do that?

it looks like he just unstitched the logos.

you can kinda see the holes where the stitches were