Wrong stick lie

[jon93 0]

here shots gonna be a beast if she change's.she's been using that heavy woodie for all those years. the ops will fell like air

[kosydar 0]

Thats interesting that her coaches would push OPS on her, and I obviously don't agree with them. Are her coaches parents who just coach or are they players? Do you see how the difference could change their views? A coach who isn't much of a player himself (or herself) would likely be quick to suggest OPS as they themselves have succumb to the advertising of the companies. Then again there are many great hockey players who know tons more about the game than you or I, yet don't understand the importance of getting a stick that works for the individual. Regardless, I'd say look into a tapered shaft combo. That what she can get the curve and lie that suit her well. If she does happen to grow 2 or 3 inches, you can add a bigger plug and get the same curve that she likes with a different lie. I've never noticed a difference in performance from a OPS and a tapered combo.

[hockeymom 2]

Thats interesting that her coaches would push OPS on her, and I obviously don't agree with them. Are her coaches parents who just coach or are they players? Do you see how the difference could change their views? A coach who isn't much of a player himself (or herself) would likely be quick to suggest OPS as they themselves have succumb to the advertising of the companies. Then again there are many great hockey players who know tons more about the game than you or I, yet don't understand the importance of getting a stick that works for the individual. Regardless, I'd say look into a tapered shaft combo. That what she can get the curve and lie that suit her well. If she does happen to grow 2 or 3 inches, you can add a bigger plug and get the same curve that she likes with a different lie. I've never noticed a difference in performance from a OPS and a tapered combo.

I'm not entirely sure why Kosy; it had something to do with "oh, don't bother with a 2-pce" so I suppose that it is that you have "the bother" of attaching the blade. Someone did say it can come loose.

I understand your distinction all too well, as I'm not a player and have to try to figure this stuff out from a theoretical p.o.v. and apply it to my daughter's circumstances. Her coaches all play, BUT, as I've long discovered... the majority of people lead with their PP rather than, as you said, figuring out what works for the individual.

Once again, I regret buying something BEFORE I've had the chance to check it out on MSH. Oh well, not a lot of $$'s thrown away on this one, and my daughter has learned about the importance of lie - so it's all good.

**BTW, out of curiosity - do you think giving a kid a composite stick before they've really developed their shot can teach them to "cheat" on their shot??

[Hoquyguy 0]

Well, the lesson only cost you one stick, and you can probably sell it to someone else on Ebay. I've experimented on a lot of different lies and patterns, and the lie is the most important element. My 13 year old Bantaam has gone through a bunch of different blades and sticks (he always wants the new shiny one!), though I finally got him use to one specific pattern.....the Warrior Federov. As an aside, there are differences between the composite sticks. Sometimes the slightly more expensive ones do work better than the cheap ones. The Bauer V I bought for $50 on sale was an absolute brick. In any case, I agree with going the two piece stick vice one piece. And don't get suckered into the tapered shaft either. Most junior players get no added benefit from a tapered shaft, and the tapered blades are hard to come by. Plus, they cost quite a bit more than standard blades. Lots of places are selling good CCM V100 shafts at closeout prices. After that, you can stay with the Recchi or the Modano/Forsberg blade forever. If she keeps growing, all you need to do is add a wooden (or composite) end plug to make the shaft longer. $5 as compared to buying a new stick. Finally, there's no "cheating" when it comes to using good equipment. Goalies don't use horsehair pads anymore, and the typical player protective equipment is much lighter and safe. Is that cheating? Your daughters confidence will grow when her shots get that extra zing, and her stick handling improves due to the lighter weight. You don't have to go overboard on price, either. I'm certain someone like JR can sell you the perfect gear for a great price.

[rinkrat94 1]

I don't think giving a kid a compsoite before they are fully developed will teach them to "cheat" when shooting. Having a good shot comes from having good form and practicing proper technique when shooting. The puck will get off the blade a little quicker and your shot may become a little more powerful with a ops, but If you can't shoot, no stick will change that. If you have a lhs in your area that will let you demo sticks, that is a great way to figure out what stick to buy.

[Chadd 916]

Thats interesting that her coaches would push OPS on her, and I obviously don't agree with them.  Are her coaches parents who just coach or are they players?  Do you see how the difference could change their views?  A coach who isn't much of a player himself (or herself) would likely be quick to suggest OPS as they themselves have succumb to the advertising of the companies.  Then again there are many great hockey players who know tons more about the game than you or I, yet don't understand the importance of getting a stick that works for the individual.  Regardless, I'd say look into a tapered shaft combo.  That what she can get the curve and lie that suit her well.  If she does happen to grow 2 or 3 inches, you can add a bigger plug and get the same curve that she likes with a different lie.  I've never noticed a difference in performance from a OPS and a tapered combo.

I'm not entirely sure why Kosy; it had something to do with "oh, don't bother with a 2-pce" so I suppose that it is that you have "the bother" of attaching the blade. Someone did say it can come loose.

I understand your distinction all too well, as I'm not a player and have to try to figure this stuff out from a theoretical p.o.v. and apply it to my daughter's circumstances. Her coaches all play, BUT, as I've long discovered... the majority of people lead with their PP rather than, as you said, figuring out what works for the individual.

Once again, I regret buying something BEFORE I've had the chance to check it out on MSH. Oh well, not a lot of $$'s thrown away on this one, and my daughter has learned about the importance of lie - so it's all good.

**BTW, out of curiosity - do you think giving a kid a composite stick before they've really developed their shot can teach them to "cheat" on their shot??

My biggest complaint with composite blades is that kids never really learn to feel the puck anymore. Especially at ages where they are still working on stickhandling and puck control, the importance of feeling the puck is often overlooked. I am a huge believer in technology, tapered sticks are the holy grail for me in terms of performance but I still like wood blades in a tapered shaft. It's just hard to find a tapered shaft right now that is as technologically advanced as a top-end OPS.

[Drury23 0]

You could get a CCM Vector v40, v30, or v20, all of which are wood. Or you can get any CCM Composite. My recommendation for her age would be a V8.0. VVVVVVVVEEEERRRRRRRRYYYYYY good stick. Or if she is in need of new skates, you could buy vector 10s and get a vector 10 skate for free. Just my quick and simple advice :)

[pantherfan 0]

Did you say somewhere that your daughter used a V20 if not then I'm psysik or stupid :D

But I really liked my V20 I had it for roller for a while and really liked the feel and the flex and also the Recchi curve so and I think it's still in production as my LHS just got some in again, so maybe you could keep her on them if she likes them

[hockeymom 2]

It was actually the v50 I think. It IS a really nice stick. The last time she looked at the new version, I think it is now blue?, she thought it "felt different" than her current stick. Can't remember what she thought was different and it might have been in her head!

Actually, I have found one of the old v50's, so she can start the season with it while we continue to check out composite sticks and make the right decision.

** I know other people have complained about this in other threads... I am so frustrated with the huge differences in reporting lie. Lie is MATH, it is a measurement - not a subjective number.

I simply don't get how this can be messed up. CCM reports the recchi is a lie 6 and that is way off.

[DamnLocust 0]

Different companies measure lie differently. everyone knows that warrior isn't even close to what they say they are. Rocker of blades and where the lie is measured probably contribute to the differences manufacturer to manufacturer.

[TBLfan 25]

yeah the rocker on the blade can affect the angle for the lie depending on how it is measured.

[hockeymom 2]

But the recchi isn't rockered - oops, the one I have isn't rockered, I guess they could have rockered the newer version of this blade.

** edited to correct spelling (gasp!)

[TBLfan 25]

it's got a very slight rocker.

[Drury23 0]

Sorry to get off topic here, but what is a rocker on a blade? BTW, I am currently using a Modano. It has a 5 lie which is pretty low. The tape completely covers the blade everywhere except the heel. Should I go to a Jr Warrior Federov (3 lie)? Thanks guys

[DamnLocust 0]

Rocker is a curved edge on the bottom of a blade. Modano has a pretty flat rocker, for the most part.

The Lies listed in the Warrier catalog are a bit off by easton standards. If the modano blade is wearig evenly and you're happy with the curve, I'd just stick with it. If you MUST have a warrior, go to your LHS and compare the lies of the two, and then Buy it from the LHS. You won't get any bargain on warrior stuff from the internet anyway.

If the blade is wearing more on the toe, you need a higher lie. If the blade wears more on the heel, you need a lower lie.

edit: does the jr. modano also have a 5 lie? warrior sr. fedorov claims a 4 lie, and I know that come companies do change lies on some of their patterns from sr. to jr., but I'm not sure about the modano.

Also, are you using an easton modano or a RBK modano? Easton renamed the modano, it is now the Forsberg (same specs).

[sabre09923 0]

Rocker is a curved edge on the bottom of a blade. Modano has a pretty flat rocker, for the most part.

The Lies listed in the Warrier catalog are a bit off by easton standards. If the modano blade is wearig evenly and you're happy with the curve, I'd just stick with it. If you MUST have a warrior, go to your LHS and compare the lies of the two, and then Buy it from the LHS. You won't get any bargain on warrior stuff from the internet anyway.

If the blade is wearing more on the toe, you need a higher lie. If the blade wears more on the heel, you need a lower lie.

edit: does the jr. modano also have a 5 lie? warrior sr. fedorov claims a 4 lie, and I know that come companies do change lies on some of their patterns from sr. to jr., but I'm not sure about the modano.

Also, are you using an easton modano or a RBK modano? Easton renamed the modano, it is now the Forsberg (same specs).

Yep, I just checked one of my old blades. The Jr. Modano is indeed a 5 Lie.

[hockeypunk3 0]

My biggest complaint with composite blades is that kids never really learn to feel the puck anymore. Especially at ages where they are still working on stickhandling and puck control, the importance of feeling the puck is often overlooked. I am a huge believer in technology, tapered sticks are the holy grail for me in terms of performance but I still like wood blades in a tapered shaft. It's just hard to find a tapered shaft right now that is as technologically advanced as a top-end OPS.

I agree 100%, I was once a believer in the hype and that composite gives you a better shot, but now i use tapered shafts and I use the sher-wood 950 taper fit blade and its a whole new world of feel for me.

[TruBluShirt 0]

To determine the proper lie, what i usually do is I examine my son stick, if the blade and/or tape is worn evenly from heel to toe, he is using the proper lie.

So if the toe of the blade is worn more than the rest of the stick, you should increase the lie. If the heel is worn, swicth to a stick with a lower lie.

Foward's generally use 5 to 6 lie, the higher the lie number, the greater the angle.

This is how i chose the right lie for my 10 year old son.

I have heard that is the best way to check for a proper lie. But here is my question. Your in a LHS and your getting ready to buy a stick. How would you be able to determine the proper lie needed without having to find out on the ice?

This is how I would do it. Please tell me if this is extreme or wrong. I would slap on a pair of skates. Either your own pair or just take one your size off the shelf. The stick you want to buy will be uncut and the top of the stick has to be between your nose and your chin. While standing up with skates on, determine where you will want to cut the stick. Place your hand below the imaginary cut. Take a look at where the blade makes contact with the floor. If the blade makes contact evenly between the heel and toe then you have the proper lie. Is this idea correct or should I sit in a corner and stare at the wall?