Issue With One90s

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Wrong. Sounds like you always believe the hype. As long as the rivets are strong, you'll be fine.

[DamnLocust 0]

As i've been playing roller longer I have more experience with inline skates, but I've had entire footbeds/outsoles fall off with the chassis still solidly riveted to the outsole before. And i've seen it happen to others. As a matter of fact, one of my Beemers outsoles is starting to come loose, and I can flex the outsole slightly by hand now.

I'm not denying what you're saying, but from my experience a loose outsole is a sign of oncoming breakdown of the boot.

[mattopiela 0]

Pro skates and customs for NCAA skates have some of the same issues as far as the outsole pulling away from the boot a little, the only difference is that the players know that it is not going to affect the performance of the skate. If the outsole seperates from the boot it will not effect the strength or performance because there are still 14 rivets ( Senior size skate) that attach the holder and outsole to the boot. Cosmetically it might look like shit but structurally it will be fine.

Hate to say it but thats probably the dumbest stuff I've heard. If you only need rivets to hold the outsole to the boot then why bother with the glue. The outsole is there to help transfer energy from the boot to the holder and to stablelize the boot. Therefor if the outsole starts peeling the overall strength of the boot is effected and that might lead to premature breakdown of the boot. Take away the outsole and the boot would eventually start twisting. The rivets hold the outsole in the front and back, because thats where the holder is attached yet the most important part is the middle, think of most shoes, they all have a strong plastic or composite piece in the middle to prevent twisting and to create stability. And the reason why pros don't really give a crap if their stuff is falling apart because they don't pay for it and most of them are such good skaters that they could care less what they have on their feet.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

"And the reason why pros don't really give a crap if their stuff is falling apart because they don't pay for it and most of them are such good skaters that they could care less what they have on their feet. "

Are you kidding me??? They very much care what they have on there feet. The part of what you said if its starting to come apart a little bit yes they take that as wear and tear. But they very much are concerned about what they have on there feet.

As for the small amount of seperation there is I am 100% that that would do nothing in performance. That small seperation is cosmetic only and would not affect performance what's so ever.

[pantherfan 0]

..most of them are such good skaters that they could care less what they have on their feet.

Ever wonder why some of the NHL's best wear old discontinued skates, because they care about what they have on their feet and if the new latest and greatest skates don't satisfy them they won't wear them, they will wear what works for them not just anything because it's more comfy or better looking

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Don't make me close this thread. It's getting dumb real quick. NBH will take care of Miserable, as they said they would.

[rinkrat94 1]

After the Vapor fiasco I can't believe people still purchase Bauer skates.

[rinkrat94 1]

As i've been playing roller longer I have more experience with inline skates, but I've had entire footbeds/outsoles fall off with the chassis still solidly riveted to the outsole before. And i've seen it happen to others. As a matter of fact, one of my Beemers outsoles is starting to come loose, and I can flex the outsole slightly by hand now.

I'm not denying what you're saying, but from my experience a loose outsole is a sign of oncoming breakdown of the boot.

I've had that happen to me too. If the boot goes, your sol.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

I've had outsole delamination issues on my Missions - nothing a little epoxy did not fix.

[rinkrat94 1]

I've had outsole delamination issues on my Missions - nothing a little epoxy did not fix.

You think that would word on Miserable's skates?

[Bamzi 0]

Miserable my son is having same problem us you are, the outsole from his left boot from his one90 skates is starting to peel. Brought them back to LHS they told me in a week or two I should have them back repaired or replaced. Luckily his vapor xxx still fit him, so he has skates for now.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Yes, epoxy would fill in that and hold.

I do not have the skate in front of me to correctly evaluate, but I am willing to bet that it was a heating issue - perhaps overheated by the store. Miserable - did you stand in the skate when it was baked? Did you lean forward?

I've had mine longer than most and have not encountered that problem. There is a distinctive lip between the sole and the heel (rubber) area but no delamination to speak of.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Ok had one of the kids break a runner today......anyone else have a runner break yet?

[pantherfan 0]

Saw a guy break some steel with a pretty hard shot a week or so ago.

[sogaduch 0]

Ok had one of the kids break a runner today......anyone else have a runner break yet?

no broken runner yet but a couple cracked toe caps. waitin for the holder to break

[DarkStar50 679]

My right holder has an inside fracture along the middle of the holder where the runner is held in place. I blocked a shot 2 weeks ago and noticed the fracture when checking my skates. There is a 1/4" crack that shows through at the point near where the screw/nut is set inside the holder. I can only see the fracture because the holder is clear. I have ordered a complete size run of holders and runners in LS2 Power for shop stock to correct any problems. The holders and runners are only sold as separates. I received all the steel in less than a week in Sr sizes. I received 75% of the holders I ordered on the same delivery. I have not changed my holder yet even though I now have the correct size in stock.

If NBH makes 8000 pairs of One90s, does everyone expect every pair to be perfect with absolutely no problems? Yes, there is a 1/2 of 1% chance that Miserable or AG12 or Rinkrat94 gets a pair with a problem. Hey, my holder cracked but I'm not jumping off a cliff screaming F%*k NBH!! So lets all step back from the cliff, take a breath, and NBH will solve the problem if you are the unfortunate one. And if you are the online shopper with HockeyMonkGiant who waits on hold with CS for 30 minutes while they figure out what to do you are no better off than Miserable who is being rational with the LHS as the LHS is doing the best they can. Life goes on........ Nobody died, nobody got hurt, its a pair of hockey skates, ok?

[Miserable 6]

Yes, epoxy would fill in that and hold.

I do not have the skate in front of me to correctly evaluate, but I am willing to bet that it was a heating issue - perhaps overheated by the store. Miserable - did you stand in the skate when it was baked? Did you lean forward?

I've had mine longer than most and have not encountered that problem. There is a distinctive lip between the sole and the heel (rubber) area but no delamination to speak of.

I know the guy that did it read the instructions and said he had done a couple already but that really doesn't mean anything I guess. I did stand in them for 5 minutes; I don't believe I moved in them at all so I didn't lean forward as far as I can remember.

And just so everyone is clear since this has kinda gotten off track, I'm not angry at Bauer for what happened. I understand that stuff like this happens and you take a greater chance of something going wrong by purchasing a brand new product. Am I mad it happened? Sure, I would prefer to not have to go through this but it's not the end of the world by any means. As long as Bauer corrects the issue as everyone has suggested they will, I have absolutely no problem with them and will continue to buy their products.

As far as my LHS and not replacing the skate immediately, I have no problem with that either, they have a policy they need to follow and they made that very clear to me beforehand. If it turns out the issue was from them overheating the skate, I still won't be angry with them or hold a grudge. I would just prefer someone else at that shop mold my skates correctly this time.

Stuff like this happens and there’s nothing you can do about it. Everyone seems to be doing what they can to correct it and that’s about all I can ask.

I’m really grateful I have a place like this where I can ask questions and get answers quickly. I might not be as calm about it if I didn’t get all the information I received here once this happened. Thanks to everyone that has helped.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Don't forget why it is necessary to wait for the skates - if it is a bad batch of glue or whatever, the other skates at the store might have the same problem. Not only does the mfgr need to see the defective skates, it will help them correct any issues and make sure the right skates go back out to market. Handing another skate to the customer on the spot is a short-term fix with potential for disaster.

[mattopiela 0]

My right holder has an inside fracture along the middle of the holder where the runner is held in place. I blocked a shot 2 weeks ago and noticed the fracture when checking my skates. There is a 1/4" crack that shows through at the point near where the screw/nut is set inside the holder. I can only see the fracture because the holder is clear. I have ordered a complete size run of holders and runners in LS2 Power for shop stock to correct any problems. The holders and runners are only sold as separates. I received all the steel in less than a week in Sr sizes. I received 75% of the holders I ordered on the same delivery. I have not changed my holder yet even though I now have the correct size in stock.

If NBH makes 8000 pairs of One90s, does everyone expect every pair to be perfect with absolutely no problems? Yes, there is a 1/2 of 1% chance that Miserable or AG12 or Rinkrat94 gets a pair with a problem. Hey, my holder cracked but I'm not jumping off a cliff screaming F%*k NBH!! So lets all step back from the cliff, take a breath, and NBH will solve the problem if you are the unfortunate one. And if you are the online shopper with HockeyMonkGiant who waits on hold with CS for 30 minutes while they figure out what to do you are no better off than Miserable who is being rational with the LHS as the LHS is doing the best they can. Life goes on........ Nobody died, nobody got hurt, its a pair of hockey skates, ok?

I don't think anyone is jumping off any clifs here all we are having here is a discussion. I was told my problem will be taken care of and I believe it will, everytime I had a problem with a Nike product it was always replaced and thats why I keep buying their stuff. And in all honesty breaking a holder is way different then having your boot falling apart, thats why they each have their own waranties, I'd take a broken holder on my one90's anyday over the issues I am having with the skate :D .

[mattopiela 0]

..most of them are such good skaters that they could care less what they have on their feet.

Ever wonder why some of the NHL's best wear old discontinued skates, because they care about what they have on their feet and if the new latest and greatest skates don't satisfy them they won't wear them, they will wear what works for them not just anything because it's more comfy or better looking

Yes thats very true, but I find that mostly the older guys stick to old skool skates, where as the new generation of players seem to be switching to the "new thing" most of the time. I could be very wrong tho.

[DarkStar50 679]

Matto,

I was responding to the holder question. We can expect that to happen as well. I do believe though that some guys tend to over-react a bit. That is why I mentioned calming down. This is all part of everyone getting too excited by the hype.

[ag12 0]

My right holder has an inside fracture along the middle of the holder where the runner is held in place. I blocked a shot 2 weeks ago and noticed the fracture when checking my skates. There is a 1/4" crack that shows through at the point near where the screw/nut is set inside the holder. I can only see the fracture because the holder is clear. I have ordered a complete size run of holders and runners in LS2 Power for shop stock to correct any problems. The holders and runners are only sold as separates. I received all the steel in less than a week in Sr sizes. I received 75% of the holders I ordered on the same delivery. I have not changed my holder yet even though I now have the correct size in stock.

If NBH makes 8000 pairs of One90s, does everyone expect every pair to be perfect with absolutely no problems? Yes, there is a 1/2 of 1% chance that Miserable or AG12 or Rinkrat94 gets a pair with a problem. Hey, my holder cracked but I'm not jumping off a cliff screaming F%*k NBH!! So lets all step back from the cliff, take a breath, and NBH will solve the problem if you are the unfortunate one. And if you are the online shopper with HockeyMonkGiant who waits on hold with CS for 30 minutes while they figure out what to do you are no better off than  Miserable who is being rational with the LHS as the LHS is doing the best they can. Life goes on........ Nobody died, nobody got hurt, its a pair of hockey skates, ok?

I don't think anyone is jumping off any clifs here all we are having here is a discussion. I was told my problem will be taken care of and I believe it will, everytime I had a problem with a Nike product it was always replaced and thats why I keep buying their stuff. And in all honesty breaking a holder is way different then having your boot falling apart, thats why they each have their own waranties, I'd take a broken holder on my one90's anyday over the issues I am having with the skate :D .

Yes, we aren't jumping off a cliff here, and yes these are just skates, but what shouldn't be lost is that these are $600 skates. I've been a Supreme user for a long time and have always been very happy with the skate, but what I'm seeing here is the sports car has left the dealership and is breaking into pieces down the road, not good. I had high hopes for these skates, because in the past Bauer has always built a quality Supreme skate in my mind except for the 8090 and well maybe this one also. But the early responses on this board and what I'm hearing on the "street" is not good in my mind. When I hear "a lot of people are complaining about lace bite problems" in the LHS, that gets my attention, it should get others too. Loose and falling off rivets? Now I have to spend more money to fix the things!! When you hear this bad news from several sides it suggests that maybe something went wrong here. I can understand that the issue might be a bad batch of glue, an operator had a bad day, but that's not my problem, that's Bauer's problem. And this is not Bauer's 1st time building a skate, they are experts at this. So I'm not flying off the handle here, I would like to buy the One90 at some point, but not with these kind of results and issues. And if Bauer is going to stand behind this thing like they say they are, they should have enough in inventory to support that claim or delay the commercial release so that you can........

[DarkStar50 679]

You are so predictable. Lace bite issues can relate to how tight a player laces his skates. That would be something no vendor could control. Some players are going to buy this skate whether it fits them or not, like the online shopper who has no idea how the skate will fit exactly. If he gets lace bite from the skate not fitting correctly, who's fault is that? A washer came off a rivet. That is a 2 minute repair that any reputable LHS that sold the skate should not charge you for. That is no money out of pocket. KC gave reasonable and logical explanations for the manufacturing process. I would imagine that in your former job with Gillette a faulty razor or two made it past QC. Its the same old story in retail: You can please a 100 people who don't say a thing about how positive the shop, employees, and products are but if one person has a problem(that can be fixed, BTW) then all the good will is uesless. Your personal decision is simple: Don't buy NBH skates.

[ag12 0]

You are so predictable. Lace bite issues can relate to how tight a player laces his skates. That would be something no vendor could control. Some players are going to buy this skate whether it fits them or not, like the online shopper who has no idea how the skate will fit exactly. If he gets lace bite from the skate not fitting correctly, who's fault is that? A washer came off a rivet. That is a 2 minute repair that any reputable LHS that sold the skate should not charge you for. That is no money out of pocket. KC gave reasonable and logical explanations for the manufacturing process. I would imagine that in your former job with Gillette a faulty razor or two made it past QC. Its the same old story in retail: You can please a 100 people who don't say a thing about how positive the shop, employees, and products are but if one person has a problem(that can be fixed, BTW) then all the good will is uesless. Your personal decision is simple: Don't buy NBH skates.

Call me predictable my friend, but you are missing my point and I can see it's going no where with you and that's fine, we can agree to disagree. Yes any product produced is going to have QC problems as does Gillette and the current mfg I work for, but Bauer should have to ability to back that claim up. O-zone admitted they didn't have enough in inventory, so I was making a statement based on that claim. The easy way out is to not buy NBH, but for $600 and maybe NBH would like to keep a loyal customer maybe not, but I happen to be asking for more as did another earlier on this topic. What's wrong with demanding more for your money? When did the "Customer is always right" become extinct?

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Sorry, but the customer is NOT always right.