Flex Question

[PPK 0]

The KoHo 4490 ops is on a big sales at my LHS. I'm considering because I like the Jagr curve.

I'm wondering:

1. is the stick any good at all?

2. the flex is 35kp. what is it compare to the easton scale? I've tried at the store i feels like 85 but I would like to make sure.

I've done a search and looked at the flex chart but can't find the answer, so please help.

[dieselbro 0]

sorry but I dont know much about this stick but I do know the flex 35KP is called mid-flex by CCM, and its comparable to an 80 in terms of the Easton scale.

[PPK 0]

My friend just told me Kp could mean kilogram. Whereas easton measures in pounds. so 35kp could means 77.

[marc_9 0]

those sticks break like twigs i have seen 8 broken in 3 weeks from what ive seen i wouldnt buy one

[Sven 1]

Sorry cause i might abuse this/you topic for my own question:

Just for your information, im 6'2", 192 lbs.

I just played with sticks and never had thoughts about flex. But then i got a Vector 10.0 in 40kp and it is nice flexy. I like it very much!

So im planning to get a Z-Bubble (2005) shaft and im not sure if i should get a 85 flex or 100 flex. Maybe you can help me out.

[kovalchuk71 212]

My friend just told me Kp could mean kilogram. Whereas easton measures in pounds. so 35kp could means 77.

its doesnt mean kilogram.

[pantherfan 0]

Isn't it the same flex system as RBK?

[Patrick67 1]

it is.

[Nick411 0]

Sorry cause i might abuse this/you topic for my own question:

Just for your information, im 6'2", 192 lbs.

I just played with sticks and never had thoughts about flex. But then i got a Vector 10.0 in 40kp and it is nice flexy. I like it very much!

So im planning to get a Z-Bubble (2005) shaft and im not sure if i should get a 85 flex or 100 flex. Maybe you can help me out.

I just got a 100 z-bub and it's pretty flexy but if you like whipy go 85

[gp3r 0]

My friend just told me Kp could mean kilogram. Whereas easton measures in pounds. so 35kp could means 77.

They're not exactly kilograms, they're kiloponds or also called kilograms-force. A kilopond is defined as the force exerted by one kilogram of mass in standard Earth gravity. It is not a very common unit, it's not even part of the SI (International System of Units).

[Sven 1]

Sorry cause i might abuse this/you topic for my own question:

Just for your information, im 6'2", 192 lbs.

I just played with sticks and never had thoughts about flex. But then i got a Vector 10.0 in 40kp and it is nice flexy. I like it very much!

So im planning to get a Z-Bubble (2005) shaft and im not sure if i should get a  85 flex or 100 flex. Maybe you can help me out.

I just got a 100 z-bub and it's pretty flexy but if you like whipy go 85

Nick, dont know if thats a hard question, but could you define whippy (from your preference).

The problem with a shaft is that you cant test the flex like with an ops. I think when i go with a 100 it will get a bit softer after a while, right?

[dieselbro 0]

My friend just told me Kp could mean kilogram. Whereas easton measures in pounds. so 35kp could means 77.

They're not exactly kilograms, they're kiloponds or also called kilograms-force. A kilopond is defined as the force exerted by one kilogram of mass in standard Earth gravity. It is not a very common unit, it's not even part of the SI (International System of Units).

I think it also has something to do with how much force it takes to bend per inch... but dont take my word for that, my memory is wack

[gp3r 0]

Trust me, Kp means kilipond or kilogram-force. I'm doing my major in engineering, and we sometimes use that unit. It is used more in europe, especially by the European Spacial Agency if I remember correctly.

Kp is used, for example, in tensions of bicycle spokes, for torque mesured in ''meter-kilograms'', for pressure in kilograms per square centimeter, for defining the metric horsepower and a few other things. I think they also use it archery for the draw weight of bows. (I'm not certain about the last one).

Therefore you cannot transform Kp in pounds, they don't measure the same thing, so 35 Kp is NOT 77 pounds. Plus, I think most companies measure their stick flex in KPa, which is a pressure unit, they don't measure it in pounds (a pound measure the mass of an object). A Kp incorporates time in its measuring, that's one of the reasons why you can't really from Kp to pounds or kilos. Though yan can go from a Kp to a pound-force

To give you an idea, if you know a little about physics:

1 N ≡ 1 kg·m/s² ≈ 0.10197 Kp ≈ 0.22481 lbf

N is for a Newton

lbf is for a pound-force

[dieselbro 0]

Kp is used, for example, in tensions of bicycle spokes, for torque mesured in ''meter-kilograms'', for pressure in kilograms per square centimeter

I think thats what I was trying to get at, but thanks for clearing that up

[Sven 1]

Sorry cause i might abuse this/you topic for my own question:

Just for your information, im 6'2", 192 lbs.

I just played with sticks and never had thoughts about flex. But then i got a Vector 10.0 in 40kp and it is nice flexy. I like it very much!

So im planning to get a Z-Bubble (2005) shaft and im not sure if i should get a 85 flex or 100 flex. Maybe you can help me out.

Is a 100 ZBubble less stiff than a 100 Flex (for example Synergy ST) OPS? I got one and its very stiff. Dont know if its mislabeled or something but this 100 Flex OPS is just too stiff. Im not sure if i should pick the 85 Flex or 100 Flex shaft. Does the 100 Flex shaft get a bit more flexier/soft with a blade than an OPS?

Im just a newbee when it comes to shafts so dont flame me.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

If your trying to flex it without a blade in it, which is how your post sounds to me, then yes it will feel really stiff. If will soften up if you put a blade in it (ala add some length). If you've got a blade in it and its too stiff, get an 85.

[Chadd 916]

According to Corry from CCM/RBK, posted back on 5/10/05:

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/index.php?showtopic=10537&hl=

Here are the flexes for our RBK and CCM sticks.

As you can see there is no exact formula for the conversion.

50KP/X-stiff = roughly 125 pro flex

45KP/Stiff = roughly 110

40KP/Regular = roughly 100

35KP/Mid = roughly 85

30KP/Light = even softer flex

20KP/Junior = junior flex

(KP is the force required in newtons per meter squared to bend the shaft 1". The higher the number the more force required to bend the stick.)

[Sven 1]

If your trying to flex it without a blade in it, which is how your post sounds to me, then yes it will feel really stiff. If will soften up if you put a blade in it (ala add some length). If you've got a blade in it and its too stiff, get an 85.

Well, i wanted to say that i know that i cant (or almost cant, itjust makes no sense) to flex it without a blade.

I just cant go into a shop and tell them to insert some blade so i can text the flex. But when i look at Chadds CCM/RBK list above, i can see that my 10.0 Shaft is also 100 Flex (it has 40 kp).

[DamnLocust 0]

If you're looking to buy a new shaft and aren't sure about the flex you want/need, try flexing a shaft you currently own without a blade in it, and try to match that up to the new one.

[Sven 1]

If you're looking to buy a new shaft and aren't sure about the flex you want/need, try flexing a shaft you currently own without a blade in it, and try to match that up to the new one.

Good idea. But i just own a tapered at the moment. But i dont think that should be a difference.

[HkY_GuY 2]

45kp stiff 100 is stamped on my pro stock what the 100 number mean? i though it was the conversion to easton flex but if 45kp= 110 flex what the hell is the 100

[HkY_GuY 2]

bump :D

[badsk8ter 0]

If you take 2.2 times the kp flex, it's pretty accurate relating to the Easton scale. So, 45 (kp) multiplied by 2.2 equals 99. Which is real close to 100. My guess is the 100 on your stick is the flex rating as it relates to the Easton scale. I got this piece of info off the old message board from CCM.

[kovalchuk71 212]

They changed the flex ratings this year. On the Regular (40KP), they now put the easton rating on the stick. For a regular flex, it now says 85.

[x11x 0]

I had the junior model of this stick a couple years back and it is pretty good. The blade was very thin but it might be thicker on the Int/Sr models.