Jason Williams stretchered off the ice in

[warrior37 0]

Someone tried to fight Torres. Mac sat'em for the second and most of the third. I think it was Schneider who tried to fight'em, but it got broken up and was more of a skermish.

One punch to Gonzo and he'd go down like a sack of matzo balls. I'm guessing someone on Detroit got that stopped as soon as possible.

my dad and i were watching the game. i say its barely a clean hit, a little late and RT got allllll head. any other team there wouldve been a line brawl, but i dont think hudler, datsyuk, lidstrom, or any of the 21 euros on detroits roster wanted that. chelios? hes too damn old and not a 'fighter' it was pretty gross that schneider was the only guy to do anything, as weak as it was. does anyone think the wings should get 2-3 gritty players and possibly a heavy?

[Eazy_b97 1]

He got all head because William had it burried in his chest.

[hamstercaster 2]

Williams' fine and he'll be at practice tomorrow

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183521&hubname=

[sweetblazer 0]

If Campbell plays the puck instead of the man then he rides the pine the rest of the game.

...and he might end-up being the one that gets hurt on the play. The game is so fast, there are times when you might want to make the hit and keep the fuck away from the puck because you're in a position to be run. Should Campbell have played the puck, there's a good chance he gets knocked on his ass and Philly breaks a 2-1 or even a 3-1 in the other direction.

Cliched and corny as it sounds, hockey is "hit or be hit."

I'm of the opinion that could have tapped the puck to the board and let Unberg go by him and got to the puck, it's called pokechecking and even if he misses he still has the option to sholder on sholder hit... I think he purposely cleaned him to get the big hit...

Hey it's just my opinion that theres allot of those claseless guys in the league

Avery, Torres, Phaneuf etc... Cheap shot artists

Guys like Ovechkin, Blake, The Kid often get Highlight hits and nobody is hurt to the head

It is clear that you probably (and i say that cautiously) have never played a hig level of hockey where the game is very very intense. Sure hitting is "supposed" to be a tool. But hockey is a game wher intimidation is huge. If its clean its clean. You make the play thats going to benefit your team the most and most of the time its the hit. There are defiantely times where its stupid to play the man and not the puck but mostly especially in that hit it was smarter to hit him and leave an impression.

[LkptTiger 1]

I'm of the opinion that could have tapped the puck to the board and let Unberg go by him and got to the puck, it's called pokechecking and even if he misses he still has the option to sholder on sholder hit... I think he purposely cleaned him to get the big hit...

By taking his eyes off of Umberger and concentrating on the puck, he's putting himself in a position to get drilled. If he plays the puck, there is nothing stopping Umberger - who was stretched-out - from staying underneath Campbell and jacking him off the ice and out to neutral-ice. From there, a Philly player could have easily picked the puck off the boards and made an outlet pass. If Campbell doesn't get-up in time, it's an odd-man rush.

I don't think he could have used the shoulder-on-shoulder hit as a contingency plan. Do you really think he would have that much time? I sure as Hell don't think so. If he goes for the poke and misses, he's fucked. At that point, Umberger can either skate through him or cut around him.

You say Campbell purposely went for the big hit??? Uh, duh...

[djinferno 2]

Hey I'm just saying thats what I would of done... I played contact that the last thing I wanted to do was lay someone out and i'm 6'0 215.

For having played at A hight level, I would never let a puck go thru my legs to try and hit a guy, can you imagine if he missed?, look closely, he could of batted that puck back into the zone easy, that thing went smack middle of his skates, If that was Sakic or Crosby, he would of been looking at the guys name and number as he skated back on D, then he would of sat for a long while if they scored...

What do you mean miss, that puck was closer to him then Umbey

And lastly, how is A guy stretched out going to hit you

[#44wannabe 4]

EDIT: Found it

[RadioGaGa 162]

Williams' fine and he'll be at practice tomorrow

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183521&hubname=

Apparantly the story has been updated since it was first posted...

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183521&hubname=

1st degree concussion...doesn't sound "fine" to me...

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

[msander 0]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

It wasn't malicious, it wasn't a charge, he didn't leave his feet or hit him in the head. That was a textbook hit by Torres (who I despise by the way), and was just a good example of a guy playing hard, finishing his check, and NOT having any intent to injure another player.

I'd suggest you spend some time with a stop watching and gain an understanding of time. If that hit happened 2-3 full seconds after release of the puck then this post took me a good 15 minutes to type up...

[djinferno 2]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

It wasn't malicious, it wasn't a charge, he didn't leave his feet or hit him in the head. That was a textbook hit by Torres (who I despise by the way), and was just a good example of a guy playing hard, finishing his check, and NOT having any intent to injure another player.

I'd suggest you spend some time with a stop watching and gain an understanding of time. If that hit happened 2-3 full seconds after release of the puck then this post took me a good 15 minutes to type up...

his point is shot was gone, the same way guys pass and get hit after...

Hho cares how many seconds, he did not have the puck anymore

[RadioGaGa 162]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

...watch it again...the hit happens at the :02 of the video...so there is no way that was 2-3 seconds after the puck was off his stick.

[hockey3 0]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

The other thing to is Torres had him lined up before he shot the puck. Theres only about a half a second between when the puck leaves williams stick and the hit. Torres is just finishing his check and he did it cleanly. If he hadnt finished his check williams might have been able to grab the rebound. Ever since Pee-Wee your told to finish your check and thats all he was doing.

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

The other thing to is Torres had him lined up before he shot the puck. Theres only about a half a second between when the puck leaves williams stick and the hit. Torres is just finishing his check and he did it cleanly. If he hadnt finished his check williams might have been able to grab the rebound. Ever since Pee-Wee your told to finish your check and thats all he was doing.

That logic would apply if Williams was alone infront of the net but he is very clearly being covered by one D already, the hit wasn't necessary. I would imagine the arguement would be totally different if it was Maltby taking a run at Hemsky. This coming from someone who thinks Williams is a worthless member of the Red Wings.

[LkptTiger 1]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

It's called 'finishing your check,' boys and girls, and many coaches will bench you if you fail to do it.

[sweetblazer 0]

Legal hit? Yes, fair hit? No... It wasn't really necessary at all. Williams already took the shot two/three seconds before Torres skated into him.

It wasn't malicious, it wasn't a charge, he didn't leave his feet or hit him in the head. That was a textbook hit by Torres (who I despise by the way), and was just a good example of a guy playing hard, finishing his check, and NOT having any intent to injure another player.

I'd suggest you spend some time with a stop watching and gain an understanding of time. If that hit happened 2-3 full seconds after release of the puck then this post took me a good 15 minutes to type up...

his point is shot was gone, the same way guys pass and get hit after...

Hho cares how many seconds, he did not have the puck anymore

Again apparently this A level hockey was not coached because any coach in the game will tell you finish your check. Thats what you do in hockey it's a physical sport. Christ sometimes I think they should let me play womens hockey, just like they can play mens.

[hockey3 0]

Hho cares how many seconds, he did not have the puck anymore

So your telling me that just because a guy has got rid of the puck, that you never finish your check, and your supposed to try to avoid hitting him when youve already lined him up even if its going to be a clean hit. I dont know what kind of hockey you've been playing but obviously there isnt contact.

[djinferno 2]

Hho cares how many seconds, he did not have the puck anymore

So your telling me that just because a guy has got rid of the puck, that you never finish your check, and your supposed to try to avoid hitting him when youve already lined him up even if its going to be a clean hit. I dont know what kind of hockey you've been playing but obviously there isnt contact.

while i'm chassing you or in the motion to hit, if you dish the puck, i will finish my check...

now if you pass and you are looking at it or you shoot, i will body you so you don't get the rebound but i won't trait lay you out while you are not looking and if in the heat of the action i do hit you, i will make sure that my shoulder clips yours...

Listen, all i'm saying is that i don't hit like what, i do dodycheck, and pretty good at that but i don't do this new age knocking people out stuff, low skill guys use those hits....

if i'm not gaining advantage on the puck, i stick to skating hard and applying presure....

[PBRyan 0]

It's pretty simple. It was a clean hit. Torres was bearing down on Williams who did not see Torres coming at all. Williams got his shot off and paid the price. Obviously,Torres could have avoided really blasting Williams, which IMO was unneccesary: as I think he could have delivered a solid shot ie. knock Williams down without cleaning his clock. But hey, this was such a split second decision and it is Torres's job is to finish checks and be that energy type guy (he is a bit low in the defensive zone in this play).

I can remeber times when a guy has been in a bad position reaching for a puck, making a pass, taking a shot, making a drop pass (oh boy), etc. and I have let up on the check but still finishing the guy off (knock him down, take him outta the play) and alternatively, I have run guys in the same situations in a much more vicious and intentional manner. You do not have time to think and weigh the consequences in these situations, you just react.

I would say what a player lining a guy up does in this situation totally depends on the atmosphere/style of the particular game and history with the team you're playing.

Legal hit, but Torres could have easily laid off a bit and still knocked Williams down with ease (sans the blood and concussion). Part of the game boys.

[Chadd 916]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183645&hubname=nhl

"Hey, I got hit a lot when I played and I didn't get hit in the head with checks," said Orr, the legendary defenceman who is now the head of his own player representation firm. "Players didn't always hit like that. To me, that's not part of bodychecking. I mean, don't you have to be responsible for your actions? If you hit a guy in the face with your stick by accident, you're going to get a penalty. Two minutes, four minutes, five minutes, something. If you go to bodycheck a guy and you hit him in the face or head, and injure him, that's legal? That's fair? That's not a penalty? I'm sorry, I don't think that is right. It should be a penalty."

Go ahead, call Bobby Orr a pussy. I dare you.

[LkptTiger 1]

The game has changed. A LOT.

[Chadd 916]

The game has changed. A LOT.

And not in a positive way.

[Oberon 0]

Yes, it has changed insofar as players now have no compunction about checking someone in the face.

And kids with their rap music.

[LkptTiger 1]

The game has changed.  A LOT.

And not in a positive way.

Nonetheless, it's changed. The players, at nearly every level, are simply playing the game that we/they have been presented.

[Chadd 916]

The game has changed.  A LOT.

And not in a positive way.

Nonetheless, it's changed. The players, at nearly every level, are simply playing the game that we/they have been presented.

And the NHL, HC and USAH have addressed some of the problems with the game has devolved. HC and USAH are both attempting to address this particular issue with limited success. The next time a star is taken out this way, expect there to be much more discussion about changing this at the NHL level as well.