Janssen on Kaberle

[Miike 1]

Just thought i'd chime in on this. Yes it was a blow to the head, interference, late hit all that stuff.

I don't know how you can say its not a late hit, or a legal hit. Here's what i found while doing some research..

Under Rule 56, NHL Rulebook

"Possession of Puck"

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

For one whoever Kaberle passed it too, the fact that he had possession of the puck deems him the player who has possession of the puck. That being said, that takes that tag off Kaberle, and makes that hit for sure interference.

We can all tell it was a board/charge, whichever is called for leaving feet, it was a blow to the head, even though Kaberle may have been lower Janssen made no effort to get away from the head.

[huffer4 0]

The rule is that you can hit him until the puck gets to its target (be that a player or the net). The puck got to the target and the player took several strides with the puck by the time of the hit. That makes it illegal.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Miike,

Thank you for that explanation as I was trying to say that on the last page but wasnt as matter of fact as you are.

As for other comments about being a LEAF fan it has nothing to do with being a fan of any team its being a fan of hockey that is played in a manner that does not injure others in the manner that has happened in this hit.

[Chadd 916]

One of those four on ice Leafs had to take care of business right then. Jump over an official, whatever it takes, don't be denied. One of your most important teammates is face down on the rink. Get your face in Cam's and go down swinging. It would not have been an even deal and the player would have been risking a lot but it was a risk that should have been taken. Stand up for your teammate and your team.

Team toughness is important and that doesn't mean you have one guy who does all of your dirty work. Everyone pitches in and does what needs to be done. Shit, even have two guys jump him if you have to, but do something. That's what I liked about Buffalo. Stafford jumped right in on Neil within seconds of the hit.

[James 0]

Janssen made himself a target for a fight by staying on the ice. He wanted a fight. There should have been a fight. You don't let your man go down no matter what kind of hit it was clean or dirty.

[Chadd 916]

Just thought i'd chime in on this. Yes it was a blow to the head, interference, late hit all that stuff.

I don't know how you can say its not a late hit, or a legal hit. Here's what i found while doing some research..

Under Rule 56, NHL Rulebook

"Possession of Puck"

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

For one whoever Kaberle passed it too, the fact that he had possession of the puck deems him the player who has possession of the puck. That being said, that takes that tag off Kaberle, and makes that hit for sure interference.

We can all tell it was a board/charge, whichever is called for leaving feet, it was a blow to the head, even though Kaberle may have been lower Janssen made no effort to get away from the head.

I highlighted the key word for you.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Man he took no strides he was gliding and kabrale got jacked up. Shouldn't have been watching his pass. Of course the puck moved up the ice, its the NHL they move the puck so quick. Fact is he hit him 1.33 seconds, and no strides(but was easily with in two) so he didnt do anything wrong, but jump. And anyone who has ever tried to hit a defenceman backing up you know that the momentum they have goin backwards already its extremely hard to hit them. I would venture to say he jumped a bit to make sure he actually got a peice of him, and he probably uprised himself with how hard he was able to hit him. Long story short, if kabrale gets up and plays the next shift we're never having this conversation. The hit was within what rules the NHL has in place at this time, that CANNOT be argued.

You've continued to preach over and over that nothing was wrong and you "know the rules". If you take a look at the book, it's intent to injure, boarding, and interference. Possibly a charge with the jump debate as well.

But still, the rule states 3 seconds.

No, it states a hit can be made immediately after losing possession. 1.33 is hardly immediately.

Late in your opinion and that of many others. Not in that of the official NHL rulebook, the only place it should matter.

Yes, the NHL made a ruling that it was infact late. So in the official NHL office, as well as the official NHL rule book, you are wrong.

Janssen made himself a target for a fight by staying on the ice. He wanted a fight. There should have been a fight. You don't let your man go down no matter what kind of hit it was clean or dirty.

Toronto needed the 2 points, he got the 2 points. How would Kilger getting pumped help anything?

They stood up for Mats earlier, why wouldn't they stand up for Kabs? Because nobody knew what had happened.

[James 0]

Man he took no strides he was gliding and kabrale got jacked up. Shouldn't have been watching his pass. Of course the puck moved up the ice, its the NHL they move the puck so quick. Fact is he hit him 1.33 seconds, and no strides(but was easily with in two) so he didnt do anything wrong, but jump. And anyone who has ever tried to hit a defenceman backing up you know that the momentum they have goin backwards already its extremely hard to hit them. I would venture to say he jumped a bit to make sure he actually got a peice of him, and he probably uprised himself with how hard he was able to hit him. Long story short, if kabrale gets up and plays the next shift we're never having this conversation. The hit was within what rules the NHL has in place at this time, that CANNOT be argued.

You've continued to preach over and over that nothing was wrong and you "know the rules". If you take a look at the book, it's intent to injure, boarding, and interference. Possibly a charge with the jump debate as well.

But still, the rule states 3 seconds.

No, it states a hit can be made immediately after losing possession. 1.33 is hardly immediately.

Late in your opinion and that of many others. Not in that of the official NHL rulebook, the only place it should matter.

Yes, the NHL made a ruling that it was infact late. So in the official NHL office, as well as the official NHL rule book, you are wrong.

Janssen made himself a target for a fight by staying on the ice. He wanted a fight. There should have been a fight. You don't let your man go down no matter what kind of hit it was clean or dirty.

Toronto needed the 2 points, he got the 2 points. How would Kilger getting pumped help anything?

They stood up for Mats earlier, why wouldn't they stand up for Kabs? Because nobody knew what had happened.

(in bold) Good point. IMO it was clean from what I see, but there could have been a boarding penalty. There wasn't one because no one saw it.

[Miike 1]

Just thought i'd chime in on this. Yes it was a blow to the head, interference, late hit all that stuff.

I don't know how you can say its not a late hit, or a legal hit. Here's what i found while doing some research..

Under Rule 56, NHL Rulebook

"Possession of Puck"

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

For one whoever Kaberle passed it too, the fact that he had possession of the puck deems him the player who has possession of the puck. That being said, that takes that tag off Kaberle, and makes that hit for sure interference.

We can all tell it was a board/charge, whichever is called for leaving feet, it was a blow to the head, even though Kaberle may have been lower Janssen made no effort to get away from the head.

I highlighted the key word for you.

Thanks Chadd. I was actually going to put it in caps because i felt that was the main point. Glad you pointed it out though.

[kosydar 0]

Ok, fair enough. Let me rephrase it. He wasn't doing anything that kaberle wouldn't have done to him.

I'm not going to reiterate every little point that people have brought up that prove you wrong, because there really is no need. But Kaberle would not have hit anyone like that. You can't say that anyone would do that hit when 95% of the league wouldn't, especially a guy like Kaberle who doesn't hit.

[Chadd 916]

Just thought i'd chime in on this. Yes it was a blow to the head, interference, late hit all that stuff.

I don't know how you can say its not a late hit, or a legal hit. Here's what i found while doing some research..

Under Rule 56, NHL Rulebook

"Possession of Puck"

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

For one whoever Kaberle passed it too, the fact that he had possession of the puck deems him the player who has possession of the puck. That being said, that takes that tag off Kaberle, and makes that hit for sure interference.

We can all tell it was a board/charge, whichever is called for leaving feet, it was a blow to the head, even though Kaberle may have been lower Janssen made no effort to get away from the head.

I highlighted the key word for you.

Thanks Chadd. I was actually going to put it in caps because i felt that was the main point. Glad you pointed it out though.

Not everyone has the attention span to read more than a couple lines. I really think the key is that word and how it is defined.

[DarkStar50 679]

For all those who think the hit is legal, lets play a game called "Role Reversal." You are now Thomas Kaberle, Cam Janssen has now drilled you with his "legal"(according to you) check, and you, now Thomas Kaberle, are being wheeled off the ice on a stretcher. Do you think the hit is legal now if you had been on the receiving end? Everyone here on MSH dreams they are in the NHL. Well, now your dream is true. You are Thomas Kaberle. Is the hit you have just taken legal? Would you accept it as a legal part of the game hit? If your answer is yes, give me your room number at Hackensack Medical University Hospital and I will be sure to bring you some flowers and chocolate.

[hip check 0]

I was most concerned with the lack of response from the Leafs on the ice. Certainly they would not have known what had happened with the play moving up the ice, but seeing Jannsen standing over by an 'out-cold' Kaberle would have raised some immediate questions.

No one went over and even got in his face! I understand not wanting to drop the gloves with the goon, but a quick little punch to the chest or cross check to let him know that they disapproved of him even standing there... But, nothing.

Hopefully Kaberle recovers quickly and completely.

[DeI 18 0]

I was most concerned with the lack of response from the Leafs on the ice. Certainly they would not have known what had happened with the play moving up the ice, but seeing Jannsen standing over by an 'out-cold' Kaberle would have raised some immediate questions.

No one went over and even got in his face! I understand not wanting to drop the gloves with the goon, but a quick little punch to the chest or cross check to let him know that they disapproved of him even standing there... But, nothing.

Hopefully Kaberle recovers quickly and completely.

I'm not a Leaf fan, so I don't know the player's name, but #39 did in fact skate over to Janssen, but the ref quickly got between them.

I just thought I'd point that out.

[Alias81 0]

Travis Green

[cbettner66 0]

i thought it was kinda funny that most of the new jersey players stayed away from janssen and didnt talk to him after the hit - its like they didnt want anything to do with him and were disgusted by what he did

[mack 44]

Finally there's some damn life to this little quasi-rivalry.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Well checked in at the office and there was no penalty to be called on the play.

I do apoligize for thinking other wise.

HOWEVER...(at the office) it was not considered to be a clean hit and therefore the suspension. If it was .3 seconds later....(just picking a number out of the air) it would have been much longer.

Jannsen is now I am sure on a short leash knowing your role and playing tough is one thing doing something stupid like that puts you on HIGH ALERT at the league office.

I would bet a million he does that play again......25 games.

[LkptTiger 1]

Finally there's some damn life to this little quasi-rivalry.

Yeah. Until all this, the single most memorable moment/game in this match-up was back in the 2000 Semis when Jersey held Toronto to six (off-angle/perimeter) shots in (decisive) Game Six.

God, that was great.

[DarkStar50 679]

Tonight's the night. After the Tootoo deal, the Leafs will probably shake hands with Janssen before opening face-off and present gifts. JK, but who knows what will happen..

[kosydar 0]

Unfortunately I don't see anything happening. Maybe him and Belak will get in a token fight within a few minutes, but I don't see any more than that. Julien will play him for his regular two shifts, so Janssen will have no impact in the game, unless the Leafs make the choice for him to. If they do that, they'll lose, which they cannot afford to do.

[LkptTiger 1]

I'm sorry, Kosy, but, in the long-run, I just don't see Toronto coming through. I mean, they've been trying to battle themselves into playoff position for weeks now, but still find ways to lose games to teams like the Rochester Americans (that is, essentially, who the Leafs lost to by five goals three or four weeks back). If you can't win games like that (nevermind losing it that badly), you don't deserve a spot in the postseason.

[kosydar 0]

Trust me, I don't see them coming through either. Granted a win tonight puts them in, but they can't keep it up. Losing to Washington on Friday pretty much solidified things. I really didn't think they'd even do this well this year so at least its fun to have some kind of hope. Regardless, a lot of players played well this year (and some played poorly), and hopefully management takes note of that for next year. The only thing that is keeping them in is the poor play of the other teams around them. They played .500 hockey in the two weeks Kabs was out and they're still only one point back. Its really just a crapshoot on who gets hot the last five games of the year.

[Steveo 0]

I think if the game is in the bag, we might see a few scraps. I see the Leafs running a hard forecheck tonight.....at least I hope I do

[huffer4 0]

There was the fight. Belak got about 15 shots in on Janssen before he even swung. Fight lasted 1:35. Janssen waved off the refs and landed a few on Belak. Solid fight.